Try to contain the outrage.

Mention to her that Christ himself told His disciples in Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.


God provided for self-defense when He gave the law.

I'm still reeling from the backwards arsed logic that she is throwing out in the second one...

"Superiority Complex. (If only we could buy warheads as personal defense!)"
I can't even dignify this with a response.

"Attackers" use the art of surprise, having a gun will do nothing to prevent this from happening."
Yes, because all attackers sneak right up to you and kill you before you can even react. They also don't care about the loud report of a gun or elevating their offense from robbery to murder.

"All animals will avoid humans unless provoked/hungry and all humans who are paying attention can see/hear most animals before they get close enough to use a handgun."
Animals, unlike attackers, don't have "the art of surprise" and have bells and sirens to warn you when they approach so you can easily flee and outrun them. Also, the provoked and hungry animals don't count, these situations never happen and if they do, it is your fault.

Unless a gun owner has as quick of a mind as they do a trigger finger (given they are an expert shot, which is likely not the case) a gun will prove useless to them in any such encounter.
Because you have to hit an animal to stop an attack(the sound of a gun cannot scare an animal), it cannot work because people that go through the HCP permit process don't know how to shoot and can't be bothered to go to a range to learn.

The only thing a gun (handgun) provides is a false sense of security. Studies prove that an attacker is more likely to use YOUR gun against you than vise versa.
Not only will brandishing a gun at an attacker not stop them (nor will shooting them, which you can't do because you aren't an expert shot), but real science shows that they will more than likely just take it from you and kill you.

Oh, in response to the "threatened by a criminal", yes I have been. Jumped by three guys walking home from work, didn't make we want to run out an buy a gun, instead I am just more aware of my surroundings."
It was so bad that still rely on avoidance and the response time of the police (who I can easily call in such a situation.)

Originally Posted by Kelemvor

I'm still reeling from the backwards arsed logic that she is throwing out in the second one...

"Superiority Complex. (If only we could buy warheads as personal defense!)"
I can't even dignify this with a response.

"Attackers" use the art of surprise, having a gun will do nothing to prevent this from happening."
Yes, because all attackers sneak right up to you and kill you before you can even react. They also don't care about the loud report of a gun or elevating their offense from robbery to murder.

"All animals will avoid humans unless provoked/hungry and all humans who are paying attention can see/hear most animals before they get close enough to use a handgun."
Animals, unlike attackers, don't have "the art of surprise" and have bells and sirens to warn you when they approach so you can easily flee and outrun them. Also, the provoked and hungry animals don't count, these situations never happen and if they do, it is your fault.

Unless a gun owner has as quick of a mind as they do a trigger finger (given they are an expert shot, which is likely not the case) a gun will prove useless to them in any such encounter.
Because you have to hit an animal to stop an attack(the sound of a gun cannot scare an animal), it cannot work because people that go through the HCP permit process don't know how to shoot and can't be bothered to go to a range to learn.

The only thing a gun (handgun) provides is a false sense of security. Studies prove that an attacker is more likely to use YOUR gun against you than vise versa.
Not only will brandishing a gun at an attacker not stop them (nor will shooting them, which you can't do because you aren't an expert shot), but real science shows that they will more than likely just take it from you and kill you.

Oh, in response to the "threatened by a criminal", yes I have been. Jumped by three guys walking home from work, didn't make we want to run out an buy a gun, instead I am just more aware of my surroundings."
It was so bad that still rely on avoidance and the response time of the police (who I can easily call in such a situation.)

1. That she is completely ignorant is an understatement.
2. I would like to see those "scientific studies" she is alluding to that prove your gun will, more often than not be taken from you and used against you.
3. The comment she made about the warhead is asinine.
4. How does she know that people who go through the permit process don't know how to shoot? I knew how to shoot long before I went through the permit course.
5. According to her--all criminals are from the Shrine of the mall ninja and can therefore be on top of you before you can see/hear them
6.can anyone really be that ignorant?

would you mind posting the FB link?

My wife and myself are christians and she had a bit of a problem with the idea of shooting someone. she talked to our deacon at church and he told her if someone breaks into the house to go ahead and shoot the jerk. Now we go to the range together and she out shoots me with a handgun. God doesn't expect anybody to just give their life away to some jerk off criminal without trying to defend ones self. yes the meek shall inherit the earth, but where does it say the meek must not protect the lives of themselves or their families.

Also the lady said that she had been jumped by three guys, did she file a police report so they could be arrested. seems with her thought process they should not be jailed as she should forgive them completely. Hopefully the next time she plays victim it will not be a case of rape or her life.

Originally Posted by Mariner

Also the lady said that she had been jumped by three guys, did she file a police report so they could be arrested. seems with her thought process they should not be jailed as she should forgive them completely. Hopefully the next time she plays victim it will not be a case of rape or her life.

Why would she file a police report? To do so would mean that she would have to go around people who carry guns--and she has already admitted that she is totally against people carrying guns.

Originally Posted by justme

1. That she is completely ignorant is an understatement.
2. I would like to see those "scientific studies" she is alluding to that prove your gun will, more often than not be taken from you and used against you.
3. The comment she made about the warhead is asinine.
4. How does she know that people who go through the permit process don't know how to shoot? I knew how to shoot long before I went through the permit course.
5. According to her--all criminals are from the Shrine of the mall ninja and can therefore be on top of you before you can see/hear them
6.can anyone really be that ignorant?

would you mind posting the FB link?

Yeah, this lady is so wrong in every sense that I just want to shake her. I would post a link, but it is on a third party's wall who I feel bad about arguing with this lady on anyways and even then I'm not sure if the link would work unless you were friends with the third party.

Ask her if she knows shooting is an olympic sport...

Originally Posted by Kelemvor

Oh, in response to the "threatened by a criminal", yes I have been. Jumped by three guys walking home from work, didn't make we want to run out an buy a gun, instead I am just more aware of my surroundings."

Sounds like she needs to be jumped a few more times.

Originally Posted by ukerduker

Sounds like she needs to be jumped a few more times.

Honestly as bad as it sounds this was my first though. The ones she says "jumped" her obviously didn't do her any harm, or take anything of that much importance to her. Had they beaten her and left her for dead I would have to guarantee she would have a different opinion on things.

To me people like this always end up just sounding like someone who is scared of firearms. They think since they are terrified of them that no one should own one. Heck, I hate bees but that doesn't mean I think bee keeping should be banned.

Also leaves me wondering if maybe she took her HCP course after she was mugged, and couldn't pass the course. Since she can't carry a gun she feels like no one else should either...

Ya can't reason with a fencepost.