Open Carrier Has Police Confrontation (NC)

Originally Posted by Jasongar8

Why? You can OC now if you have a permit. I think having to have some training and having to do a background check to get a permit is a good thing.

Yeah, but if you could OC without a permit, you could carry and save a total of $200+

I don't think you should have to have a permit period to OC or CC. Has worked for VT and AK. You can OC at the age of 16 in VT.

I think the state should have to prove you are disqualified, for whatever reason, to carry...not you have to prove you are. But that's just me.....

Would be nice if we could get a VT style open carry law passed here.

Originally Posted by Kelemvor

I'm inclined to believe that sometimes the cop doesn't know the law, but other times they do and just try to bluff people that they are irritated at.

Because cops don't have enough to put up with on a daily basis already, and desire to make more of it for themselves right? Seriously? You really believe that? You honestly think that cops go around making crap up so that they can get hammered by Internal Affairs later?

This guy just seemed uninformed.

I wish TN was a non-permit OC state.

Kentucky has been that way for as long as... well.. as long as I can remember. You know how many people I have ever seen open carrying in Kentucky, from birth to my 37'th birthday?

TWO.

One was a farmer. The other was just a random guy. TWO. In thirty seven years. That's not saying you should draw any sort of statistic from my experience, it's just saying that I, as a gun guy who NOTICES guns ... has seen two people open carry in the hundreds of square miles that I actively lived within for 25 years and roamed within for 37 years.

Interesting.

Originally Posted by TGO David

Kentucky has been that way for as long as... well.. as long as I can remember. You know how many people I have ever seen open carrying in Kentucky, from birth to my 37'th birthday?

TWO.

One was a farmer. The other was just a random guy. TWO. In thirty seven years. That's not saying you should draw any sort of statistic from my experience, it's just saying that I, as a gun guy who NOTICES guns ... has seen two people open carry in the hundreds of square miles that I actively lived within for 25 years and roamed within for 37 years.

Interesting.

See man...youre just part of the problem...you saw more than that...you are just hiding the facts to fit your own agenda...
























OMG I almost got through that witha straight face!!!

Originally Posted by TGO David

Because cops don't have enough to put up with on a daily basis already, and desire to make more of it for themselves right? Seriously? You really believe that? You honestly think that cops go around making crap up so that they can get hammered by Internal Affairs later?

Not sure if LEOs try to bluff citizens they know are acting lawfully often, but it probably does happen some. I believe LEOs mainly try to bluff citizens when they aren't sure of the law themselves and/or don't want to admit they are wrong or check to see if they maybe are. Most LEOs are not going to tell someone they made a mistake. So it is better to get the citizen to comply with some demand, like giving ID, leaving the area etc... rather than just backing off after engaging in an interaction.

To this LEOs credit he did back up and apparently get clarification, that OC without a permit is legal in NC and that a person is not required to produce ID. Not very many LEOs I've known or have dealt with would have done that, they would have kept demanding ID or making other request, until the person either complies or gets upset and then get them for disorderly conduct.

However....the LEO did not come back and tell the OCer he was right or acting lawfully....of course he had no obligation to either I admit.

Originally Posted by Fallguy

Not sure if LEOs try to bluff citizens they know are acting lawfully often, but it probably does happen some. I believe LEOs mainly try to bluff citizens when they aren't sure of the law themselves and/or don't want to admit they are wrong or check to see if they maybe are. Most LEOs are not going to tell someone they made a mistake. So it is better to get the citizen to comply with some demand, like giving ID, leaving the area etc... rather than just backing off after engaging in an interaction.

To this LEOs credit he did back up and apparently get clarification, that OC without a permit is legal in NC and that a person is not required to produce ID. Not very many LEOs I've known or have dealt with would have done that, they would have kept demanding ID or making other request, until the person either complies or gets upset and then get them for disorderly conduct.

However....the LEO did not come back and tell the OCer he was right or acting lawfully....of course he had no obligation to either I admit.

+1

I'm not trying to cop bash, I was just giving my input based on my experiences. I have had LEO's give me commands based on incorrect info on more than one occasion (not that I go looking for trouble or anything). With some of those things I find it difficult to believe that the LEO would not know the correct answer about them. So, in essence, when LEO's tell you the wrong thing, sometimes they are misinformed, other times they are trying to bluff you because they are pissed and you are a civilian.

Originally Posted by TGO David

I've walked by countless police while armed and never had an encounter like this. Frequently with not one, but two handguns. I can't figure it out.

Yes, but did you do it at an abortion clinic?

This incident was at an abortion clinic. I can see why the guy got a bit tense.

Originally Posted by USMCJG

You're right. In TN you must have your HCP with you whenever you are carrying, OC or CC.

What about when you are on your own property?...... and does it matter if you have it concealed on your own property? Just a question from a sleepy guy.

Originally Posted by Whiskers

What about when you are on your own property?...... and does it matter if you have it concealed on your own property? Just a question from a sleepy guy.

You don't have to have a permit to carry any firearm on your property, period.

Originally Posted by Fallguy

You don't have to have a permit to carry any firearm on your property, period.

Well, you better have some tax stamps if you're seen walking around your yard with your Suppressed, Full Auto SBR.