BATFE ACKNOWLEDGES A NATIONWIDE DATABASE OF GUN OWNERS - Page 3

**Garufa** · 11-06-2009, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strickj

Is this really "national"?

From reading the article it sounds localized to NJ. Which was already antigun to begin with.

Actually it's International. Over 30 countries have access to the system...

eTrace: Internet-based Firearms Tracing and Analysis

**jackdm3** · 11-06-2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strickj

Is this really "national"?

From reading the article it sounds localized to NJ. Which was already antigun to begin with.

Like a disease that infects our country, it starts in only one state and spreads to a few more.

**strickj** · 11-06-2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garufa

Actually it's International. Over 30 countries have access to the system...

eTrace: Internet-based Firearms Tracing and Analysis

What I meant was,it only includes guns from NJ,right?
Or did I miss that?

**RRMan03** · 11-06-2009, 06:07 PM

Are we all so stupid that we think the goverment goes by the laws of the people. ?Get a life. It is them and you and you do not make the rules or have the power to enforce them. You are at their mercy or you are fat dumb and happy. Figure it out for yourself. Fat ,dumb and happy is easier than trying to deal with a corrupt system from both sides. Neither side is a friend of a gun owner. When you accept this it gets a lot easier.

**HexHead** · 11-06-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lemons

I was under the impression that what they are doing is illegal. Am I wrong? Who's going to do something about it?

I'm sure AG Holder will gets right on it.

**HexHead** · 11-06-2009, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by USMCJG

Of course some of the guns that had 4473's filled out on them will have been sold to someone else, but the person who bought them will still be known to be a gun owner.

Not when it's a private sale with no paper trail and a cash transaction. I don't even ask what their name is, I don't want to know.

1. Are you legally allowed to buy a gun?
2. Show me a TN drivers license, I just want to see the pic on it to make sure it's you. You can cover your name and address with your thumb if you want.
3. You give me cash
4. I give you gun.

**USMCJG** · 11-06-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HexHead

Not when it's a private sale with no paper trail and a cash transaction. I don't even ask what their name is, I don't want to know.

1. Are you legally allowed to buy a gun?
2. Show me a TN drivers license, I just want to see the pic on it to make sure it's you. You can cover your name and address with your thumb if you want.
3. You give me cash
4. I give you gun.

I know. I was only referring to sales that require you to fill out a 4473. If you buy ALL of your firearms through private sales you may be able to avoid the inevitable national registry.

**Chief07** · 11-06-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Nunan

The New Jersey Democratic State Committee - The Democratic Party of New Jersey

"E-trace is a nationwide database maintained by the ATF that lists
a firearm's first purchaser, date of purchase and the retailer from
which it was purchased. The information is compiled from police
records of gun purchases provided by local departments, but until
today was only accessible by the ATF and the police department that
provided it." Read all of this article from August 2007 -
Governor Announces Historic Partnership with ATF to Trace Illegal Firearms

First off, Corzine was voted out of office last Tuesday!

A**H*LE piece of

NJ firearm laws are probably the most restrictive in the country. (that's why I'm leaving).

Second - Im not sure it is legal to share this information the way they are doing. The way I read it, is information is only to be used in a investigation by the court and people involved only. Not the state.

But NJ breaks it's own laws on a daily basis.

They don't call it the Soprano state for nothing.

They also passed the one gun a month law that is stupid. "Criminals don't care about laws". NJ is so anti-gun it makes me sick.
I'll be in America real soon!

**deafdogdief** · 11-06-2009, 06:59 PM

Is this not defined as 'documentation' which is illegal?

**redfsr** · 11-06-2009, 07:06 PM

That report is not accurate. Etrace is an online database used to submit data from firearms recovered in crimes, abandoned, etc. to be traced. The ATF does not have a magical database to pull this info from. The ATF calls the manufacture who tells the ATF the distributer the gun went to and ultimately the ATF learns which FFL sold the gun. From there, the FFL looks in their A&D books and 4473s to find the original purchaser.

Etrace used to only be accessible by ATF. All other agencies used to have to submit the form by fax or email and now there is a website where the trace request can be submitted.

Once a gun has been traced, that information is kept in the database.

There is nothing illegal about that and nothing to worry about for law abiding, responsible gun owners.

11-06-2009, 06:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
deafdogdief TGO Member Joined: Sep 2009 Where: Chattanooga, TN Age: 30 Posts: 111	Is this not defined as 'documentation' which is illegal? __________________ U.S. Capitol Switchboard 202.224.3121 U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder 202.514.2001 Call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them how you stand! You can also call the A.G. and encourage the investigation into ACORN.

11-06-2009, 07:06 PM	#30 (permalink)
redfsr TGO Freshman Joined: Aug 2009 Where: Nashville, TN Age: 34 Posts: 30	That report is not accurate. Etrace is an online database used to submit data from firearms recovered in crimes, abandoned, etc. to be traced. The ATF does not have a magical database to pull this info from. The ATF calls the manufacture who tells the ATF the distributer the gun went to and ultimately the ATF learns which FFL sold the gun. From there, the FFL looks in their A&D books and 4473s to find the original purchaser. Etrace used to only be accessible by ATF. All other agencies used to have to submit the form by fax or email and now there is a website where the trace request can be submitted. Once a gun has been traced, that information is kept in the database. There is nothing illegal about that and nothing to worry about for law abiding, responsible gun owners. Last edited by redfsr; 11-06-2009 at 07:22 PM..

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11-06-2009, 06:07 PM	#24 (permalink)
RRMan03 TGO Freshman Joined: Apr 2008 Where: Athens TN Age: 55 Posts: 30	Are we all so stupid that we think the goverment goes by the laws of the people. ?Get a life. It is them and you and you do not make the rules or have the power to enforce them. You are at their mercy or you are fat dumb and happy. Figure it out for yourself. Fat ,dumb and happy is easier than trying to deal with a corrupt system from both sides. Neither side is a friend of a gun owner. When you accept this it gets a lot easier.