BATFE ACKNOWLEDGES A NATIONWIDE DATABASE OF GUN OWNERS

Originally Posted by HexHead

I'm sure AG Holder will gets right on it.

Right after ACORN gets dissolved.

Originally Posted by Chief07

First off, Corzine was voted out of office last Tuesday!
A**H*LE piece of

NJ firearm laws are probably the most restrictive in the country. (that's why I'm leaving).

Second - Im not sure it is legal to share this information the way they are doing. The way I read it, is information is only to be used in a investigation by the court and people involved only. Not the state.

But NJ breaks it's own laws on a daily basis.
They don't call it the Soprano state for nothing.

They also passed the one gun a month law that is stupid. "Criminals don't care about laws". NJ is so anti-gun it makes me sick.
I'll be in America real soon!

Try New York State. That's one of the reasons why I left. All handguns have to be registered on your permit. In my county one had to appear before a judge and prove why s/he needed one and then graduate from an open carry to concealed carry. You were not allowed to take a handgun out of a store case unless you already possessed a permit. Not to mention the prohibitive price. This was a while ago and I'm sure it's not much better now.

Originally Posted by robin48

I prefer to use the Reynolds Wrap Heavy Duty. It blocks out government brainwashing attempts, and alien communication attempts, and it is also a zombie repellant, although there are signs some zombies are becoming immune.

Wierd I pick up radio signals when I use it. Sometimes alien transmissions. Of course its like listening to a radio at least its not being beamed directly into my brain.

Originally Posted by Traumaslave

But, someone give me "FIRST HAND" credible info that they have had a firearm returned to them .

First hand, no but I have hear of only ONE case.

Originally Posted by Traumaslave

But, someone give me "FIRST HAND" credible info that they have had a firearm returned to them .

I’ve recovered many stolen firearms that were returned to their rightful owners.
All too often when the owners report a firearm theft they don’t know the serial number, or get it wrong. But if they get it right, the numbers were entered in LEADS (back then) and if the gun passed through the hands of cops; it got a hit.
I have recovered stolen guns on everything from family fights to traffic stops.
I have absolutely no care whatsoever if the Feds have my gun purchase information. At least I know they aren’t going to allow a newspaper to print my name and address like the state of Tennessee does.

Originally Posted by deafdogdief

Try New York State. That's one of the reasons why I left. All handguns have to be registered on your permit. In my county one had to appear before a judge and prove why s/he needed one and then graduate from an open carry to concealed carry. You were not allowed to take a handgun out of a store case unless you already possessed a permit. Not to mention the prohibitive price. This was a while ago and I'm sure it's not much better now.

Yea I guess NY is bad too.
But did you know in NJ you need a seperate pistol permit for a BB pistol?
Talk about dumb.
And oh ya, Sling shots are now baned under the latest gun legelsation.
The one gun month is a joke, I usually takes 3-6 months to get your paperwork back from the powers that be.
And a carry permit is out of the question. Only a state judge can issue one. (That ain't gonna happan).
Yes sir Tennessee looks good to me!

Originally Posted by Chief07

Yea I guess NY is bad too.
But did you know in NJ you need a seperate pistol permit for a BB pistol?
Talk about dumb.
And oh ya, Sling shots are now baned under the latest gun legelsation.
The one gun month is a joke, I usually takes 3-6 months to get your paperwork back from the powers that be.
And a carry permit is out of the question. Only a state judge can issue one. (That ain't gonna happan).
Yes sir Tennessee looks good to me!

Agreed! TN looks good to me as well. Do you think the most recent election for Governor will change any of this?

I was following up on a case one time and called the Arrogant Tin-pan Fornicators to ask about a feller involved. Was checking to see if they kept a record of firearms and their owners. I got a long, drawn out denial of such from the woman on the other end of the line. "Everyone thinks we (ATF) keeps this massive data-base of firearms purchases and we do not."
Now, of course I'm shocked to find out they lied!

Originally Posted by Rem_700

Gun registration at its best! I always figured they was keeping that stuff somewhere..To much paperwork to throw away and not save when buying a gun...Oh well,if they want them,they can have them back,starting with the bullets,one at a time!

Agreed, this is nauseating. I thought 4473s had to be destroyed by the BATFE after 7 years or some such thing.

Originally Posted by res308

I was following up on a case one time and called the Arrogant Tin-pan Fornicators to ask about a feller involved. Was checking to see if they kept a record of firearms and their owners. I got a long, drawn out denial of such from the woman on the other end of the line. "Everyone thinks we (ATF) keeps this massive data-base of firearms purchases and we do not."
Now, of course I'm shocked to find out they lied!

They don't. What part of the tracing process do you not understand? They don't have a database. They can't pull up Johnny Dope and tell anyone, including themselves what firearms Johnny Dope has. If Johnny Dope has a gun turn up in a crime, they trace the gun by first contacting the manufacturer. They can't begin tracing a gun without the make, model, caliber and serial #.

Stop speculating and get the facts straight.

I am a pro-gun patriot that would die for this country and my rights as a free citizen, yet I support the ATF and their mission. They do more for the community than most of you realize by keeping violent felons off the streets than your state does. They take the worst ones that TN chooses to keep letting out and put them behind bars for a long sentence to serve.

I've met many ATF agents (am close friends with some) and don't know of any one of them that are anti-gun. In fact, most are gun collectors themselves and will tell you to spend your last dollar on a gun if you want. Their main mission is combating violent crime and if you aren't a violent felon, gang member, dealing drugs, dealing firearms without a license or illegally dealing firearms to prohibited persons, you shouldn't be in fear of them. Like I've said before, hate on the politicians that are being elected and appointed. I know some of them don't even support some of the NFA regulations but politicians made the rules.

Originally Posted by USMCJG

And how many of those ever made it back to their rightful owners?

Did you not read what I said? I returned them to their rightful owners.