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Tungsten
05-01-2007, 02:12 PM
Two articles on the same incident...

Cleveland man caught up in gun debate
Posted by Damian G. Guevara and Patrick O’Donnell April 23, 2007 19:56PM
Categories: Breaking News, Crime

Damon Wells is the man gun supporters imagined when they fought for the right to carry concealed weapons.

He had a permit to carry his gun, and he had the gun on him when a pair of teenage thieves approached him Saturday night on his front porch.

When one of the youths pulled a gun, Wells whipped out his and shot one of the boys multiple times in the chest, police said.

Arthur Buford, 15, died after stumbling away and collapsing on a sidewalk near East 134th Street and Kinsman Road.

City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged for what appears to be the first time a concealed-carry permit holder has shot and killed an attacker.

Nonetheless, the shooting reignited the debate that roared three years ago when Ohio's concealed-carry law took effect.

Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police refused to punish Buford's shooter. "They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught Monday night. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. They believe it belonged to Buford or the other suspect, Lt. Thomas Stacho said.

Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells, the police report shows.

Both sides of the gun debate said it was sad that a teenager died.

"It's tragic," said Jim Irvine, chairman of the Buckeye Firearm Association. "Anytime somebody dies it's tragic, but it's hard to have any sympathy when he chose to have a gun and go threaten somebody's life."

Irvine said it was "great that a potential victim is able to continue his life instead of having a criminal take it."

Toby Hoover, of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, said she had not heard of any other fatal shooting involving a concealed-carry permit holder.

"This is one of the few where they actually used it to stop a crime," Hoover said.

But, she said, "there's still a dead kid here."

A man who answered phone a number for Wells refused to comment and hung up. No one answered the door at Wells' home.

Plain Dealer reporters Jesse Tinsley and Brie Zelter and researcher Cheryl Diamond contributed to this story.

And also:


2 teens blocked him: 'Don't move or I'll pop you'
Friday, April 27, 2007
Gabriel Baird
Plain Dealer Reporter

Damon Wells will not go home. He is a pariah in his neighborhood.

The 25-year-old Cleveland man shot one of the two teens trying to rob him at gunpoint on Saturday in front of his home. The youth he killed, Arthur "Ace Boogie" Buford, was 15.

Since the shooting, windows in Wells' home have been shattered and are boarded up. Many in the Mount Pleasant neighborhood have sided with Buford and his accomplice rather than with Wells. Two people close to Wells want to defend him publicly, but they will speak only on the condition of anonymity because of rumors of retaliation.

They say Wells is in hiding now, leaning on his family and his faith in God. He is struggling with grief for the boy's family and frustration with how the community turned on him.

The trouble began about 8:30 p.m. Saturday with a trip to the corner store less than a block away, but even that can be dangerous in this Mount Pleasant neighborhood just north of Kinsman Road. Last year, one out of 100 residents in the blocks around his home on East 134th Street north of Kinsman Road was robbed or seriously assaulted, according to a Plain Dealer analysis of police data.

Wells was prepared. He wore a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson pistol in a shoulder holster. It is unclear if a shirt or jacket hid the holster. That day temperatures rose to 68 degrees.

It is also not known what, if anything, Wells bought at the store. He has declined to comment, and police have been guarded in the details they have released.

On the way home, Wells saw two teens. One was Buford, who was on probation for a 2006 robbery. He was wearing black sneakers, RocaWear jean shorts and a baggy white T-shirt.

The two teens approached Wells - one went in front of Wells, the other behind. He told police he felt threatened.

Contrary to previous reports, Wells did not get to his porch. Police say he reached the porch steps, but before he could climb them and run inside to safety, one of the youths - it is not clear which - pulled a handgun and said, "Don't move or I'll pop you."

Wells put up his hands.

The second youth reached for his pants, and Wells later told police he believed the robber was reaching for a second gun. Wells quickly drew his handgun and fired three shots. One hit Buford in the chest.

Both boys ran, but Buford bled profusely. He didn't get 15 yards before he tumbled onto the sidewalk not far from the corner store.

A surveillance camera from a building across Kinsman was pointed toward Wells' home. Police have not released the tape, but they said the image quality was poor. It could not have captured a shooting in front of Wells' home.

A crowd began to gather around Buford. Emergency workers rushed him to MetroHealth Medical Center. He was pronounced dead at 9:18 p.m., about 30 minutes after the shooting. Back at home, Wells went inside and put down his gun.

A woman in the house and several frantic neighbors called police. When they pulled up outside, Wells was there, hands in the air. He told them the gun was inside.

Investigators found three shell casings and blood. On Kinsman Road, they found a handgun that they believe was used in the attempted robbery.

They took Wells to jail. He answered their questions and, after consulting with city prosecutors, police released him. Police said all the evidence suggested he had done nothing more than what he had to do.

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

gbaird@plaind.com, 216-999-4141

Tungsten
05-01-2007, 02:18 PM
At the risk of saying something offensive, insensitive or politically incorrect, I am absolutely disgusted by this "no snitching" mentality that seems to be prevalent among minority groups these days!!!

The perpetrator in this case was a known criminal with an arrest record who engaged in an attempted armed robbery, and the cousin wants to know why he's worm food and why the police just let the defendant off without charges?!?!

Well let me think on it for a minute you stupid ass... maybe it's because he tried to rob the guy at gunpoint and the guy was JUSTIFIED in putting a bullet through him????? :mad:

I think Jeff Cooper said it best...

http://www.sightm1911.com/images/JeffCooper1a.jpg

“One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure—and in some cases I have—that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.”

Branket
05-01-2007, 02:57 PM
At the risk of saying something offensive, insensitive or politically incorrect, I am absolutely disgusted by this "no snitching" mentality that seems to be prevalent among minority groups these days!!!

The perpetrator in this case was a known criminal with an arrest record who engaged in an attempted armed robbery, and the cousin wants to know why he's worm food and why the police just let the defendant off without charges?!?!

Well let me think on it for a minute you stupid ass... maybe it's because he tried to rob the guy at gunpoint and the guy was JUSTIFIED in putting a bullet through him????? :mad:


+1

Exact same things I was going to post in response.

Punisher84
05-01-2007, 03:04 PM
I'll say it then Tungsten...
A NO GOOD LOUSY CRIMINAL IS DEAD AND A COURAGEOUS ARMED CITIZEN IS STILL ALIVE! THANK GOD!

I don't care about the dead kid or his family and friends. He chose a life of crime and picked up a gun to use as his tool of intimidation. This is a two way world you can either be the winner or the loser. I know kids of all races and backgrounds who have turned out both ways. Rich white kids who became crooks and liars. Poor black kids who now run their own businesses. Life is a choice. You make the wrong one you pay the consequence. Tough world.

I'm glad the kid got his sooner than later, now he won't be able to harm anyone else. May make me sound cold, but so be it. :mad:

molonlabetn
05-01-2007, 03:09 PM
Well said, triple-S Tactical... That's exactly what I think!

DaveTN
05-01-2007, 03:17 PM
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police refused to punish Buford's shooter. "They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

As you can see, they don’t understand that actions have consequences. :rolleyes:
Tameka… your cousin is dead because he was threatening the life of a man that was not real big on playing the part of a victim. :up:

HemiRam
05-01-2007, 04:08 PM
Tameka… your cousin is dead because he was threatening the life of a man that was not real big on playing the part of a victim.


But our society prefers us to be victims. How dare someone stand up and defend themselves from an armed assailant. The gall.

saintsfanbrian
05-01-2007, 04:10 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again, There is no reset button in life. Once the trigger is pulled, the game is over. Fortunately in this situation, the good guy got the shot off first.

Tameka - I bet, if your cousin knew this individual was carrying a gun, one of two things would have happened.

1. They wouldn't have targeted this man as he is obviously not a victim. (Probably not the case here.)

2. They would have shot this man with out any warning in order to take his money and his gun. (More likely case scenario.)

ReefBlueCoupe
05-01-2007, 05:39 PM
What are you talking about Tungsten?

http://www.post-gazette.com/images3/20051018jbSnitchin_450.jpg

This is an example of how most people in the ghettos and projects of this country don't take responsibility for their own actions. It's no wonder they have yet to become productive members of society.

Ghostrider
05-01-2007, 05:56 PM
I'll say it then Tungsten...
I'm glad the kid got his sooner than later, now he won't be able to harm anyone else. May make me sound cold, but so be it. :mad:

I so totally agree.

And to show just how "cold blooded" I am, I'll take it the next step and express my gratitude to the great spirit that we, the tax payers, will also not have to feed, house, and guard society from this individual for the rest of his natural life.

One additional observation, who's betting that the whole fam-damily isn't a bunch of thug/gangster/hoods that support this "stop snitchin" campaign cause it's bad for business???

I say video the guys house and throw the vandals in jail!

bob-e
05-01-2007, 06:17 PM
I would move the f out of Cleveland.

Tungsten
05-01-2007, 07:33 PM
I would move the f out of OHIO.

Had to fix that statement for you. :D

tjbert47
05-01-2007, 09:05 PM
Oh well another a$$hole gets what he has coming. I really hate it when that happens. Don't you?

Tom in TN

Boomhower
05-01-2007, 11:45 PM
Oh well another a$$hole gets what he has coming. I really hate it when that happens. Don't you?

Tom in TN

No...Not really....It seems like every other night I hear of a shooting somewhere close by. Whether it be here in Knoxville, Nashville, or Memphis. I wanted to get my HCP to be all legal like, but as more time goes on, and more stories are reported, my mind is changing to "I don't want to be left without".

Thanks goodness this man excersied his rights. The kid deserved all 3, instead of just 1.

ReefBlueCoupe
05-02-2007, 12:23 AM
I wanted to get my HCP to be all legal like, but as more time goes on, and more stories are reported, my mind is changing to "I don't want to be left without".What do you mean?

Boomhower
05-02-2007, 01:58 AM
What do you mean?

I don't want to be the one standing in a sitution with nothing but sweat in my palm.

towerclimber37
05-02-2007, 03:58 AM
Ghostrider, I'm with you..and betting that the rest of the family is a scab on the back of the community.

Boom, its always best to follow the laws...but when needs must, the devil drives...thats my sentiment.
I DO NOT advocate carrying without a permit, when we have the right to get a permit to carry...if this were a state that didn't allow concealed carry....I wouldn't live here ...heheheh.
but I DO advocate being prepared for life. If you live in an area like Saintsfanbrian..then I'd say do what ya need to do...but if its not a high crime neighborhood...don't risk the consequences, wait till you're legal.

Loaded247
05-03-2007, 05:09 PM
It's a sad thing all the way around. It's sad that the kid who got killed made the wrong choices in life, and paid for those choices WITH his life. It's sad, but fair.

It's sad for the victim, because although he was unquestionably in the right in his actions, he now has to live with those actions. He will always carry this with him. Still, I hope that he is back to carrying, because the possibility of retaliation is very real, and being caught un-armed right now could be a very bad thing....

In cases like this, I've always wondered: This family is grieving over the loss of this young criminal, but I wonder just what the family thinks the victim SHOULD have done when his life was threatened? No joke, I would really like to hear them answer that.....

Phantom6
05-03-2007, 06:03 PM
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police refused to punish Buford's shooter. "They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."Gee, hate that for him--NOT!

If poor lil' ol' Tamika's, cousin, "Ace Boogie" a probated fellon, had a brain in his head and weren't such a little punk he'd still be breathin' oxygen!

If this thug were not left in the street it may well have been a law abiding citizen with as Boomhower said, "nothing but sweat in his palms".

Bulls**t like that spouted by his dumba$$ cousin is typical of folks caught up in the gansta/ghetto/permanent victim mentality.

Yo, Boomhower, while as an instructor certified by the DOS I can't suggest that anyone fold, spindle or mutilate the laws concerning handgun carry I would remind you that there is an old saying that goes something like this- I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. That being said, get your permit as fast as you can and stay out of places that are obviously chancy like the corner of Western Ave. and University in K-town. Also universities, malls and high schools.

jackdog
05-04-2007, 04:30 AM
just one less turd walking the streets. Don't care how old he was or how deprived he was, or any other BS. He got what he deserved in the situation.
To damn bad his cousin was not with him.