Verbal's "Better than Tungsten's" CQBR build...

[Verbal Kint]

:lol:

Alright, so it's probably not any better... just different... especially since we ended up using some of the same components. But I'm sure there will be some sibling rivalry there, when all is said and done and we're both on the firing line. :D

I figured I would list my SBR build spec, since some had asked what I was going with, and also give me space where I can update the progression of the rifle... as well as provide results, opinions, changes, etc. Here is what I currently have on hand, and have planned, for my SBR.

As in Tungsten's thread, the red highlighted components are either on order or haven't been purchased yet.





UPPER RECEIVER:

VLTOR MUR Upper Receiver with Bolt Assist
GTS VCQB 10.5" SS Barrel, Douglas Premium, 1:7, M4 Ramps, Ion Bond finish
BCM F/A M-16 Bolt Carrier Group, MPI'd, Black Insert
KNS BCG Pin
LaRue Tactical Low Profile Gas Block
YHM 5C2 Comp / Flash Suppressor
PRI Gas Buster Charging Handle
Carbine Gas Tube
LaRue Tactical 9.0 Rail
Troy Rear & Front Folding Battle Sights (BUIS), FDE Color
TangoDown Stubby Vertical Grip, FDE Color

LOWER RECEIVER:

Spike's Tactical, 5.56, Receiver. Engraved per BATFE / NFA regs by Spike's Tactical
RRA Lower Parts Kit
KNS Anti-Roll Trigger Pins
BlueForce Redi-Mag
MIL-Spec Stock Hardware and H Buffer
MagPul MIAD Grip, FDE Color
MagPul CTR, MIL-Spec, Stock, FDE Color
MagPul Enhanced Trigger Guard
MagPul PMAG Magazines, FDE Color

SLING & MOUNT:

CQD Rear Sling Mount
CQD Two/One Point Sling, Coyote Brown

PLANNED OPTICS:

Aimpoint CompM4 US Army Red Dot, 30mm 1x 2MOA
Aimpoint Magnifier, 30mm, 3x20mm
Aimpoint Killflash Filter
LaRue Tactical QD Mounts for Both Optics

The upper and lower receivers will be painted/coated in MagPul's FDE color, to match the FDE furniture used. Then the entire weapon will likely receive a subdued custom camouflage scheme of my choosing. The planned optics will possibly change between now and time of purchase, as I do not intend to buy them within the next several months. If you're bored enough to do the math, you'll see that this build was pretty pricey... so I'm waiting for my bank accounts to cool off before I even consider making a move on optics. I'll be using the BUIS for quite awhile.

My lower receivers (ordered two of the Spike's Tactical 5.56's) should be due back from engraving at Spike's this week. And I've been holding off on sending out the BATFE form and Legal Trust until I verify exactly how they were marked by Spike's. Once I annotate the exact markings on the form, I'll send the paperwork out and begin the waiting game. From the accounts of others over on the M4C forums, the wait period is right around 60-70 days at the moment... so it shouldn't be all that terrible. I honestly began this build with no intentions of ordering parts so quickly, and no plans of having it finished this season. I intended, and still do, that it will be a project ready for next season. I just wanted to get it out of the way before the upcoming election in November.

Anyway, that's the skinny on my SBR build. I think I included everything, but would have to double-check my list of parts, that are quickly accumulating in my closet. Feel free to critique it or offer suggestions, comments, criticism. :)

[jwp]

Looks good.

I know where you can get those mags, for cheap, today. I think there is even a thread in the Vendor section....

[bkelm18]

You guys are killin me.

[Tungsten]

I'm going to laugh when your expensive **** jams. :D

[Verbal Kint]

I'm going to laugh when your expensive **** jams. :D

UNPOSSIBLE! :crazy:

[Magiccarpetrides]

Wheres the 40mm Grenade Launcher? :confused:

[Hero Gear]

meh.
He will just get tired of it, and sell it..... :p

[Verbal Kint]

meh.
He will just get tired of it, and sell it..... :p


Pfft... I never sell my guns.

I end up trading them. :lol:

Besides... the brilliance of my plan, with it being an SBR, is that I'll be stuck with it!

[Tungsten]

meh.
He will just get tired of it, and sell it..... :p
I think he's allergic to .45ACP :lol:

[jwp]

Hey, have you done any research on the new Aimpoint Micro T-1?

If not you might want to check them out.

[Paletiger13]

Wheres the damn pics??? lol Its not any good unless you have gun porn:screwy:

[Hero Gear]

There is also the new Leupold unit:

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/prismatic-riflescope/prismatic-1x14mm-tactical-illum-reticle/

[Verbal Kint]

I'll have to look into the Leupold option... hadn't seen that one before.

I can post photos of the components... but would rather wait till it's put together and then take the photos. Much better effect than parts or a pile of boxes on the floor. :p

[Verbal Kint]

BTT

Here are some photos of my assembled lower and upper receivers. All the component specs are on the first page in the thread... but figured I'd post some pics of the "finished" product. The 10.5 barrel and rail are stored at a different location, pending the return of the NFA stamp, so photos of them and the final rifle assembly will be forthcoming.

Had to edit the photos, as I assembled them last night and the lighting sucked in the house. Will post better photos of the entire build, outside in better conditions, once it's complete.

http://www.tankandspank.com/lower_receiver01.jpg

http://www.tankandspank.com/lower_receiver02.jpg

http://www.tankandspank.com/lower_receiver03.jpg

[Magiccarpetrides]

Lookin good...

[strickj]

:shhh: :p

The 10.5 barrel and rail are stored at a different location

[Verbal Kint]

:shhh: :p

:lol:

Actually, it's true. Stored in a safe at one of our other houses (family). Didn't want to risk testing the BATFE's position on "separate locations" via different safes under the same roof... so figured I'd stick them at different property locations as well. Better to avoid the grey area altogether.

They're just visiting the relatives... once everything is approved and legal, they'll move back in with me. :D

[willis68]

:lol:

Actually, it's true. Stored in a safe at one of our other houses (family). Didn't want to risk testing the BATFE's position on "separate locations" via different safes under the same roof... so figured I'd stick them at different property locations as well. Better to avoid the grey area altogether.

They're just visiting the relatives... once everything is approved and legal, they'll move back in with me. :D


Does the Government require you to keep NFA items in a seperate safe than regular firearms???

[Verbal Kint]

Does the Government require you to keep NFA items in a seperate safe than regular firearms???

If you don't physically possess the tax stamp, it's a very bad idea to keep NFA items around your other firearms.

In this instance, you can own a lower receiver any day of the week (as long as you meet the legal requirements). You can even buy a 10.5" upper receiver and/or barrel any day of the week, and have it shipped straight to your house.

However, if you don't have a tax stamp stating you can manufacture/assemble an SBR, you better not have the shorty upper and normal receiver sitting together. The BATFE views this as the ability to produce such a weapon and will thus pound you squarely in the ass. ;)

Once I have my stamp back, the rifle will be fully assembled and it can live in harmony with all of my other firearms... in the same safe or location.

[Mugster]

Does the Government require you to keep NFA items in a seperate safe than regular firearms???

After you have the stamp, I'm not sure. The problem for me is I have 4-5 ar's in various caliber's. Sometimes I take em apart and rearrange. So if I had 2 shorty upper's for the one lower, it might not turn out so good. So I'm considering getting a separate safe to put NFA stuff in.

My guess is, you'd be ok with one short upper per legal SBR, but for me, its not worth taking a chance.

[Hero Gear]

You can have as many short uppers as you wish, so long as you have 1 SBR or Pistol lower.
There should be no need to quarantine your NFA items from your Title I stuff.

Your SBR/Pistol lower will be marked, and no matter how many ARs you own, you should be able to remember which is short barrel legal, and which isnt.

[Mugster]

Well, I gotta get another safe anyway...or a bigger one. But that helps a little. Thanks Joe.

[Verbal Kint]

*Bump From the Grave*

Listed the GTS VCQB 10.5" SS Barrel (Douglas Premium, 1:7, M4 Ramps, Ion Bond finish) for sale in the classifieds section.

This build get shelved for a few months, when I moved back home, and then I became undecided on which way I wanted to go with it... or if I even wanted to finish it. I'm sure I will, sometime in the near future, but it will probably take on an SPR/DMR style build since I already invested in the upper receiver. What can I say... I change my mind a lot. Just ask Joe @ Hero Gear. :p

Priced for a quick sale, S&H + Insurance included. You guarantee that you won't find this barrel in stock anywhere else... even at the GTS site. The inventory dried up months ago, and became even harder to find when the election scare came around.

Check out the classifieds, if interested.

[poak]

*Bump From the Grave*

Listed the GTS VCQB 10.5" SS Barrel (Douglas Premium, 1:7, M4 Ramps, Ion Bond finish) for sale in the classifieds section.

This build get shelved for a few months, when I moved back home, and then I became undecided on which way I wanted to go with it... or if I even wanted to finish it. I'm sure I will, sometime in the near future, but it will probably take on an SPR/DMR style build since I already invested in the upper receiver. What can I say... I change my mind a lot. Just ask Joe @ Hero Gear. :p

Priced for a quick sale, S&H + Insurance included. You guarantee that you won't find this barrel in stock anywhere else... even at the GTS site. The inventory dried up months ago, and became even harder to find when the election scare came around.

Check out the classifieds, if interested.




SBR to SPR?

Amazing how quickly one can change a B to a P...;)

[Verbal Kint]

SBR to SPR?

Amazing how quickly one can change a B to a P...;)

:lol:

In my case it took a few months, but yeah... it can happen pretty quickly. Part of me still wants to submit the paperwork (heck, it's already filled out along with the notarized Trust... just never mailed it with the check)... part of me has lost interest. It happens I guess. I'm sure I'll regret not having an SBR once Obama makes them illegal with his congressional voodoo... but oh well. I don't see me spending the extra $200 at the moment, so rather sell the barrel and go a different direction.

I change my mind a lot. It's a curse.

[Verbal Kint]

Update/FYI: Barrel sold last night, over on M4C.

Going to change-up and sell a few more parts, then start replacing them with SPR parts. :up:

SBR tax stamp (money) will most likely be going towards a can. Gotta have at least one NFA item, right?

[poak]

Update/FYI: Barrel sold last night, over on M4C.

Going to change-up and sell a few more parts, then start replacing them with SPR parts. :up:

SBR tax stamp (money) will most likely be going towards a can. Gotta have at least one NFA item, right?

Awesome!

I think I'm going SBR on my next build.

What are you going w/ barrel wise?

[Verbal Kint]

What are you going w/ barrel wise?

18" Noveske or 18" SPR-M barrel from GTS/Denny's in IonBond (like the SBR barrel I just sold). Haven't decided which of the two yet, as both are amazing barrels.

[poak]

18" Noveske or 18" SPR-M barrel from GTS/Denny's in IonBond (like the SBR barrel I just sold). Haven't decided which of the two yet, as both are amazing barrels.

Cool, I've been looking seriously at the Noveske's myself.

I've also been considering White Oak Armament (in order to save a little cash), as they seem to have a pretty good rep as well.

[Verbal Kint]

I've also been considering White Oak Armament (in order to save a little cash), as they seem to have a pretty good rep as well.

Yeah, that's my only beef with Noveske... their claim to fame is the polygonal barrels... and, IMO, they're overpriced. The GTS/Denny's barrels have rave reviews with the guys over on M4C, so much so that they put them up against Noveske. And they're $100+ cheaper usually.

GTS uses Douglas blanks in their barrels, and has Compass Lake Engineering machine them to his specs. As I've said, I've never seen a negative review on them and a lot of people swear by them over there. The SPR barrel that I'm leaning towards is this one (http://global-tactical.com/spr-m18inch556mmmidweightbarrelwithionbond.aspx).

The guy that purchased my GTS 10.5" barrel is actually a moderator over on the M4C forums. Listed it for sale and he jumped on it a cpl hours later. From speaking with him, he already has a 16" middy Operator barrel of his (GTS) and a MK12 upper on the way. My 10.5" filled the gap he had in his rifle collection.

[strickj]

Sorry if I missed it,but what is an SPR?

[Verbal Kint]

Sorry if I missed it,but what is an SPR?

Just more acronyms for you to remember. :D

SPR = Special Purpose Rifle (LINK) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Mark_12_Mod_X_Special_Purpose_R ifle)
DMR = Designated Marksman Rifle (LINK) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Marine_Corps_Designated_Marksman_Rifle)
S-DMR = Squad Designated Marksman Rifle (LINK) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Squad_Designated_Marksman_Rifle )

[strickj]

Kewl! So what I'm getting from that is its just an uber precision type rifle?
What all are you going to be swapping out in her?

[Verbal Kint]

Kewl! So what I'm getting from that is its just an uber precision type rifle?
What all are you going to be swapping out in her?

Yep, you're correct... precision build. Figured I already had the VLTOR MUR upper receiver, and had let the SBR project sit stagnant enough that I finally lost interest in the SBR process (even though I was at the very end of it and just needed to mail the check :lol:), so I might as well build a SPR out of it.

Just swapping smaller parts around. Picking up a Magpul UBR in FDE, so I'll sell the CTR stock, milspec extension tube, etc. Most likely sell the CQD rear sling mount / end plate and the CQD sling. Everything else was already overkill for an SBR, so it allows me to keep them and use them in the precision build.

Optics will of course be re-thought, but that was always just in the "planning stage" anyway and would be the last thing to be purchased.

[poak]

Sounds pretty awesome, I'm in a toss up over the PRS and the UBR, but I was leaning more towards the UBR for this build.

[strickj]

:doh: ....Whats a UBR?

:lol:

Edit: Nevermind......

[Verbal Kint]

Sounds pretty awesome, I'm in a toss up over the PRS and the UBR, but I was leaning more towards the UBR for this build.

Yep, was having the same dilemma. Was trying to decide between the Gen II PRS and the UBR. You can find the PRS way more easily right now, but I'm already on the waiting list for an FDE UBR. Rifle won't be complete by the time my UBR shipped, so it's not an issue to me. :shrug:

[Verbal Kint]

:doh: ....Whats a UBR?

:lol:

Rifle stock. More specifically Magpul's UBR (Utility Battle Rifle) stock.

Link Here (http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=70_72&products_id=187)

Basically it's a collapsible stock, with the rigidity of a fixed stock, for larger bore rifles and precision builds. ;)

[poak]

Yep, was having the same dilemma. Was trying to decide between the Gen II PRS and the UBR. You can find the PRS way more easily right now, but I'm already on the waiting list for an FDE UBR. Rifle won't be complete by the time my UBR shipped, so it's not an issue to me. :shrug:

You've got me looking at these GTS barrels pretty seriously now... I really like that Ionbond finish on the stainless... me makes rifle more blacker and eviler:tough:

[ukerduker]

... me makes rifle more blacker and eviler:tough:

LMAO...the word "eviler" makes me laugh.

[RISC777]

Just more acronyms for you to remember. :D

SPR = Special Purpose Rifle

And here I thought it meant Short Pimped Rifle.

:blush: