Anyone else see this ?

[nitrous_mike]

There was a group of 11 guys in Benton County who managed to kill 160+ Wood Ducks Saturday, and over 100 on Sunday while hunting over bait. Kinda sad when the limit is only 2 per person per day on early WD/teal.

Here is what was posted on TNDucks and Refugeforums

"The guy who posted the picture and the estimates of the total ducks killed over the two day hunt was a Game and Fish official from west Tennessee. He has also been on the refuge forums for a long time and has shared a lot of helpful information on seasons and area management. He was not the arresting officer, but was told this by two other TWRA officers about the case. The total numbers are an estimate, but based on good information. 169 ducks on Saturday --- 107 ducks on Sunday. Total estimated killed 276. The bust was made on Sunday according to officials. This was from TWRA not "Joe Internet Blow" --- It is fact? I can't say, But it did come from a reliable source. "

Here is the picture these "smart" guys took and were sending to their friends via cell phone.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb256/nitrous_mike/overlimitwoodducksva4.jpg

All I can say is I hope they hang the sorry SOB's. I admit I have fudged the limit and hours a time or two but by in no way would I ever consider killing out a whole population like that. Rather they just do not care or are too stupid to understand how long it will take an area to recover from something like that.

[nsnate02]

That is just awful. I hope they get everything from them. Truck , guns, boats, dogs, .....:mad:

[VERO1]

Do they snatch all your equipment here like they do violaters in Fl? Down there they can seize guns, car, boats, or anything else you may happen to have with you.

[TripleDigitRide]

They should be punished for breaking the law, but that there is a whole lotta good eatin'.

[Verbal Kint]

Very sad... but that's still an impressive 2-day haul. Even if each of the 11 pulled their own weight evenly, that's over 25 kills a piece.

Wonder if the authorities can/will put them to use somehow... or just let them go to waste.

[nitrous_mike]

Their court date is in October, I know usually they do take your stuff when you poach like that but I do not know what all they did there.

[Reaper2U]

I am from Benton County, anyone know who the suspects are?

[dralarms]

Do they snatch all your equipment here like they do violaters in Fl? Down there they can seize guns, car, boats, or anything else you may happen to have with you.


Yes they CAN. If they do or not is another story. Dang shame, you can't eat that many ducks so why kill that many.

[nitrous_mike]

I am from Benton County, anyone know who the suspects are?
From what I gather one of them is a mod on TNduck. The thread over there http://www.tnducks.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Miscellaneous;action=display;num=12 21616005

[Hunting101]

Overkill but impressive. They will be hit with big fines and they will probably lose their weapons, etc maybe even their hunting license.

[cknight98]

thats just plain stupid...blatant disregard for the wildlife in my opinion. there is no way one area can withstand that "beating" that was just put on them. and the ducks will probably go to waste...i hope those guys get whats coming to them...make an example out of them TWRA!

[Jasongar8]

Its these kind of stuff that gives us hunters a bad name. These people who call theirseves hunters never deserve to hunt in TN or anywhere ever again.
-Jason G

[EMTRN]

That is plain stupid.

[Major Pain]

I don't believe I would call them hunters, poachers is a better word. I live in Benton Co. and will let everyone know what happens in court.--MP

[OhShoot]

I haven't hunted in many years, but this kind of thing is just outrageous...it flies in the face of everything instilled in me growing up about sportsmanship and wildlife conservation, not to mention the sheer magnitude of the illegality.

I'm ashamed we actually have Tennesseans who behave this way and hope they throw the whole book at 'em.

- OS

[Magiccarpetrides]

I hope those bastards lose everything they had with them and get fined the maximum amount. Thats absolutely rediculous and gives honest hunters a bad name. Those guys are definitely poachers...theres no sport in what they did.

[Angel 24/7]

I will never be one to go hunting. I understand if you go, so you can eat it, use the fur. What was the purpose in this? I just don't understand!
When Xdshooter hunts, he does enough for us to eat, same with fishing.
I hope they lose everything.

[eyebedam]

No need for them to lose everything. Thats a little overkill but they should have some very hefty fines laid upon them. When theres folks that can get away with murder walking around with less of a punishment for some duck poachers theres a serious problem in the world.

[Mike.357]

they should get the same punishment as the ducks got

[Magiccarpetrides]

No need for them to lose everything. Thats a little overkill but they should have some very hefty fines laid upon them. When theres folks that can get away with murder walking around with less of a punishment for some duck poachers theres a serious problem in the world.

Well we arent talking about someone that killed 5 extra ducks...this was blatant and grotesque. Yes they should lose all their hunting gear and their vehicle(s) and be fined to hell and back.

[memphismason]

I haven't hunted in many years, but this kind of thing is just outrageous...it flies in the face of everything instilled in me growing up about sportsmanship and wildlife conservation, not to mention the sheer magnitude of the illegality.

I'm ashamed we actually have Tennesseans who behave this way and hope they throw the whole book at 'em.

- OS

Very well said!

[Hunting101]

they should get the same punishment as the ducks got
:death:

[tedbo]

Unless they get a real good lawyer they are very likely going to lose their right to own firearms.

[Reaper2U]

Well from what I understand most of the guilty ones were from New Johnsonville, and Waverly, a couple of which worked at Dupont. Older guys with some younger guys maybe college age and younger. I have to say I am a pretty ethical hunter and this act was just plain poaching........ That is why we have limits.......... it's hard enough to find a good spot to wood duck hunt, now look at how the duck population took a hit. It's a shame how younger hunters fall victim to older hunters bad ways......... I'm sure it will be in the Camden Chronicle soon enough........

[nitrous_mike]

I had heard most of them worked for DuPont and the TVA plant @ NJ. Keep us updated on what comes out in the paper. Regardless of age or income its just flat out sorry for someone to even consider doing this. I know we all talk about if the day comes they are just falling the hole Ima make up for these past years that have been poor, but I mean its not like you would actually do something like this. Not to mention they baited the hell out of the hole to start with.

They are still trying to almost take up for the guys on TNDucks , I just do not care if they are you best friend if someone is that sorry to do this what do you think they would do to you or your stuff. This is one reason why I am so picky about who I let hunt with me.

[jwp]

Man, that's horrible. Those guys need a serious re-education on sportsmanship and hunting. Oh, and a couple of decades taking the bus.

Beyond that I got a couple of good laughs from the thread on Tnducks.

[GLOCKMEISTER]

well TWRA can add their guns, boat, and truck to the auction now....

[nitrous_mike]

It looks like this is starting to get some press.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/sep/28/the-skys-falling-250-ducks-ambushed/

[Boomhower]

I'm not a duck hunter, so I'll ask.....Is hunting over bait legal with ducks?

[nitrous_mike]

No it is not legal .

[Reaper2U]

As far as Deer, turkey, all migratory birds including waterfowl, maybe other critters (as I'm not familiar with bear hunting or hog hunting in Tennessee........ it is very illegal to bait in Tennessee!!!

[jackdog]

No need for them to lose everything. Thats a little overkill but they should have some very hefty fines laid upon them. When theres folks that can get away with murder walking around with less of a punishment for some duck poachers theres a serious problem in the world.

Why is it over kill. What these bastards did is overkill and puts all hunters in a very bad light to boot. Do bad they can't get jail time to go along with the fines.


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[strickj]

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[page90lx]

I had heard most of them worked for DuPont and the TVA plant @ NJ. Keep us updated on what comes out in the paper. Regardless of age or income its just flat out sorry for someone to even consider doing this. I know we all talk about if the day comes they are just falling the hole Ima make up for these past years that have been poor, but I mean its not like you would actually do something like this. Not to mention they baited the hell out of the hole to start with.

They are still trying to almost take up for the guys on TNDucks , I just do not care if they are you best friend if someone is that sorry to do this what do you think they would do to you or your stuff. This is one reason why I am so picky about who I let hunt with me.

Nope non of them work at tva new johnsonville , But a couple or so work over at dupont

[nitrous_mike]

Copied from another site so I can only assume it has truth to it if not sorry.

This all according to the TWRA. The charges are listed beside the names.

Charles W. Banes Burns Tn. 7 counts over the limit, 1 hunting over bait

Christopher Cole Camden Tn. 8 over, 2 over bait, without license.

Joel D. Ramsey Waverly. 8 over, 2 over bait, without lic.

Chase Thomas Scurlock Waverly. 8 over,2 over bait,unplugged shotgun, possession of lead shot.

Juvenile 8 over, 2 over bait.

Matthew Warren Waverly, 8 over, 2 over bait.

Jacob Scurlock Waverly, 7 over, 1 over bait.

Jeff Warren Waverly, 8 over 2 over bait.

Brad Mangrum,McEwen, 7 over, 1 over bait.

Monty Daniel New Johnsonville, 1 over, 1 over bait.

Billy J. Mashaw New Johnsonville, 1 over, 1 over bait.

Brian Lee Waverly, 1 over, 1 over bait.

[Jcochran88]

I have hunted before with one of the younger guys that was involved in this, he was that way when i hunted with him and will never again. Its a shame that this is what peta will use to say all hunters are like this.

[nitrous_mike]

That is just how some people are and all you can do is avoid them. I have a neighbor that is a sorry pos who has poached on us ever since they moved in about 20 years ago. When TWRA will not do anything abut it, it really makes you wonder just WTF are they there for when you have 3 land owners that complain about the same person and they call in saying hey this A-hole is out here spotlighting and tresspassing then no one shows up. :mad:

[Reaper2U]

Good stuff, I don't know any of them though. Where did you find this info at Mike? Any court / auction dates found yet?

[nitrous_mike]

This was posted on http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/ , it is a pretty good site for the greatest part.

[nitrous_mike]

Another update,
Christopher Cole took a plea bargin on Wed. in Camden fined $4000.00 and lost licenses for 7 years. I believe the rest have obtained one lawyer to defend all.

[Reaper2U]

I got this off our local site. One of the offenders is a Jackson police officer. Another was a juvie that has now turned 18.

This case is drawing national attention from PETA,Delta Waterfowl and Ducks Unlimited.Internet chatter says Ducks Unlimited is interested in seeking punitive damages because of the DU logo on the truck.Heres the list off the net.
This all according to the TWRA. The charges are listed beside the names.

Charles W. Banes Burns Tn. 7 counts over the limit, 1 hunting over bait

Christopher Cole Camden Tn. 8 over, 2 over bait, without license.

Joel D. Ramsey Waverly. 8 over, 2 over bait, without lic.

Chase Thomas Scurlock Waverly. 8 over,2 over bait,unplugged shotgun, possession of lead shot.

Juvenile 8 over, 2 over bait.

Matthew Warren Waverly, 8 over, 2 over bait.

Jacob Scurlock Waverly, 7 over, 1 over bait.

Jeff Warren Waverly, 8 over 2 over bait.

Brad Mangrum,McEwen, 7 over, 1 over bait.

Monty Daniel New Johnsonville, 1 over, 1 over bait.

Billy J. Mashaw New Johnsonville, 1 over, 1 over bait.

Brian Lee Waverly, 1 over, 1 over bait


MORE:
The Tennessee Wildlife Resource Agency said they're compiling a case against 12 individuals, including one juvenile, for hunting over bait and over the limit of wood ducks.

Wildlife officials said they began their investigation after getting an unusual tip.

"The information came about through a series of photos which made their way to the wildlife officers," said Brian Elkins with the TWRA.

Officials said they can confirm 107 ducks killed were by the hunters.

Wood duck season opened September 13 and hunters can take two ducks per day.

Most of the suspects are accused of killing seven or eight ducks over the legal limit.

Christopher Cole, a police officer with the Jackson Police Department, is accused of killing eight over the limit.

The suspects are due back in court December 17.

The men face up to a $500 fine and six months in jail for each count they face

[nitrous_mike]

It does make you wonder what kind of a LEO would be doing something like that not to mention the fact that he did not have a license. I find it almost funny as part of his plea deal was to lose his hunting license for 7 years.... That kinda makes you wonder what difference that would make since he has proven that he is such an observer of the LAW..... Maybe he should have a career change as well......

[krater]

I don't believe I would call them hunters, poachers is a better word. ....
Thats my feeling.
They should have lost the right to legally hunt for life in addition to large fines.

[Astra900]

Disgusting. :shake:
If 2 is the limit, and they had taken 3 or 4, it might not be such a big deal, but why would any self respecting person(s) do crap like this?

[Reaper2U]

Just on Jackson WBBJ news.
Officer resigns from Jackson Police.
Pled guilty and was fined 3,300 and lost lic for 7 years.
Ordered to pay City of Jackson 5,000 for Training and uniforms.
Grand total 8,300 dollars and 7 years no hunting.

[Johnny_Utah]

Sounds like justice served!!!


This could only get better to mandate restitution by working at a duck breeding farm, title: semen collector.

[The Average Joe]

That is just awful. I hope they get everything from them. Truck , guns, boats, dogs, .....:mad:

That's my thought.
As many ducks as they killed, they may even take their lawyers, wives, and a few kids, maybe their recliners and TV sets.
Make 'em go to the gun shop, buy a new gun, and take that one, too.

Those sorry S.O.B.s are ruining it for the rest of us.

[cjr]

Wow,are these not Federal Migratory Birds?
Im am really suprised they did not get Fed. time and a jumbo fine,10's of k"s

[tjbert47]

I don't believe I would call them hunters, poachers is a better word. I live in Benton Co. and will let everyone know what happens in court.--MP



Thanks Major Pain I would like to hear what these a$$ heads get. There is just no excuse fot such behavior.

:screwy::screwy:

[tbuford]

I'll keep an eye out for all of their confiscated weapons etc to go to auction!

[nitrous_mike]

Wow,are these not Federal Migratory Birds?
Im am really suprised they did not get Fed. time and a jumbo fine,10's of k"s
Yes they are a FMB since the one guy took a plea deal I guess that is why his was not in fed court. Now the other "smart guys" who pleaded not guilty you may see them in fed court.