Photo proof of why I do not want to vote for McCain...

[Hyaloid]

http://boortz.com/images/hillary_clinton_john_mccain.jpg

[TargetShooter84]

I knew it! Hillary was sleeping with McCain! Guess thats what Bill gets for being with a mistress...

[jackdog]

Besides which he's a SOB, and a liar to boot. Talk to people in the state of Arizona, this
guy is something else. Hillary and McCain under the sheets, now theres a video I know i don't one to see.

[BigPoppa]

Besides which he's a SOB, and a liar to boot.


Facts and figures to support this ?

While I await your response, I might remind you that that "SOB" spent 23 years in the United States Navy, almost 6 of which were spent in a North Vietnamese POW camp where he was beaten so regularly and severely that, to this day, he can't raise his arms over his head. His NVA captors offered him early release because his father was a US Admiral, and McCain told them to F^*k off ! That says something to me about this "SOB"'s honor, and loyalty to his brother POW's. :mad:

[dunndw]

That makes him a good soldier...NOT a good president. The ex pow McCain might have been a good president...NOt the Washington DC version we have now. I won't excuse his current stance on immigration, gun control, etc just because he was a POW. That's the same argument the sheep make when some thugs gets shot committing a crime. Why did they shoot him...he was such a good boy who made a mistake.
No matter your past...you must own up to the situation that YOUR actions have put YOU into. No free ride just because you did something good in the past.

[dariks]

That makes him a good soldier...NOT a good president. The ex pow McCain might have been a good president...NOt the Washington DC version we have now. I won't excuse his current stance on immigration, gun control, etc just because he was a POW. That's the same argument the sheep make when some thugs gets shot committing a crime. Why did they shoot him...he was such a good boy who made a mistake.
No matter your past...you must own up to the situation that YOUR actions have put YOU into. No free ride just because you did something good in the past.


You beat me to it dunndw. I couldn't have said it any better.

[saintsfanbrian]

Another good reason I will have to hold my nose to vote for him if he gets the republican nod.

SIMI VALLEY, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will endorse John McCain on Thursday, giving a boost to the Republican presidential front-runner six days before California's high-prize primary.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080131/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_schwarzenegger_16

[Bigiron]

What Dunndw said.

[BigPoppa]

By all means, consider him, or not, based on what he has done in the Senate. Nobody yet has put up any figures, votes, or specifics about why they won't support him, just generalities and vague comments.

I did not imply "Vote for McCain JUST BECAUSE he was a POW". My point was that before you casually throw out a locker room insult like "SOB", take a full look at the whole measure of the man.

Strong opinions are fine, and absolutely your right, but they should be able to be supported by research, voting record, and other information - not just because somebody Googled and found a picture of him sitting next to Hillary.

If nothing else, just say "I don't like the guy and I'm not gonna vote for him...don't know why, don't know that much about him, just a gut feeling".

[dariks]

Here's one reason....Keating 5. And then years later McCain/Feingold(sp?)

[molonlabetn]

Show me a perfect conservative, constitution-loving presidential candidate, and I'll show you a candidate who can't win.

It's a sad truth nowadays.

[saintsfanbrian]

Agreed, abe.

Remember stand for something or fall for anything?

[Mike.357]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcmahanphoto_1985_276244712 (http://javascript<b></b>:CaricaFoto('http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcmahanphoto_1985_276193885','','http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcmahanphoto_1985_52517','520','665'))

Doesn't this make you feel better

[saintsfanbrian]

Not much, that was 20 years ago. People change. What is the old adage: What have you done for me lately?

[tjbert47]

That makes him a good soldier...NOT a good president. The ex pow McCain might have been a good president...NOt the Washington DC version we have now. I won't excuse his current stance on immigration, gun control, etc just because he was a POW. That's the same argument the sheep make when some thugs gets shot committing a crime. Why did they shoot him...he was such a good boy who made a mistake.
No matter your past...you must own up to the situation that YOUR actions have put YOU into. No free ride just because you did something good in the past.



Well said my friend!!

Tom in TN

[towerclimber37]

Facts and figures to support this ?

While I await your response, I might remind you that that "SOB" spent 23 years in the United States Navy, almost 6 of which were spent in a North Vietnamese POW camp where he was beaten so regularly and severely that, to this day, he can't raise his arms over his head. His NVA captors offered him early release because his father was a US Admiral, and McCain told them to F^*k off ! That says something to me about this "SOB"'s honor, and loyalty to his brother POW's. :mad:

he never said he wasn't a tough bastard, nor did he say that he was disloyal to his peers.

I'm with jackdog on this one..I think he's a RHINO.
John Kerry had a great carreer in the navy too... hey, so did whats is name..the marine from Pennsylvainia...that doesn't stop them from being self serving bastards when the time is right.
I guess some folks would look at that as payback for giving so much to their country. I'm sure HE does.
I don't..and I also have disabilities..not as severe as his...but I've never asked one cent from my government i.e you folks, for them. when I went to the VA they told me I could get money..it never crossed my mind..I just wanted to know what I was dealing with.I consider it as my price for freedom. Him and his ilk use it as a platform.

[skwashdem]

Not much, that was 20 years ago. People change. What is the old adage: What have you done for me lately?

What you're thinking of, as far as politicians go, is: "That was yesterday, what have you done for me today?"

[Mike.357]

that was 20 years ago


When else could you have had your picture taken with Ron while he was in office? :p

[BigPoppa]

Nobody STILL has put up any hard information...just blah blah blah we don't like McCain.

So, I will.............



http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm

[The Rabbi]

Given the lay of the land that makes McCain pretty pro-gun. I'd certainly put him up against Hillary or Obama.

[BryanP]

I'm not a huge fan of McCain, but being civil and even friendly with someone doesn't mean you agree with them. Case in point - the long standing close personal friendship of Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch.

[triggertime]

A person would have to be both shallow and dense if they would
base their vote on a media photograph. Are people really that stupid?
They're probably the same people who would throw their vote away
on a goof like Ron Paul, and then b1tch and moan if Hillary ends up
winning White House. Apparently, common sense isn't.

[db99wj]

A person would have to be both shallow and dense if they would
base their vote on a media photograph. Are people really that stupid?
They're probably the same people who would throw their vote away
on a goof like Ron Paul, and then b1tch and moan if Hillary ends up
winning White House. Apparently, common sense isn't.

I think we would be surprised and/or shocked on how much actual control that the media has on people. I've ranted about this in the past on here, the media is suppose to be a unbiased source of information but we all on here know that is not the case anymore. But people have gotten lazy and they rely on one source of their information and that is what they go with as the gospel truth.

We, at this site, seem to lean the same way, except for a few **coughLencough**:D, but at least we discuss the issues and even if noone is on the opposite side, the opposite sides viewpoint is raised and stated for discussion purposes.

Ok, rant over:tinfoil:

[dotsun]

Nobody STILL has put up any hard information...just blah blah blah we don't like McCain.

So, I will.............



http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm


Mccain Lieberman
Mccain Feingold
Mccain Kennedy

Not exactly conservative ideals contained in any of those bills/laws.

[bkelm18]

Nobody STILL has put up any hard information...just blah blah blah we don't like McCain.

So, I will.............



http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm

Are your feelings hurt that someone doesn't like McCain? Sure seems that way. I'm not voting for him and I know exactly why and I don't have to show you squat for it. :)

[jackdog]

Big poppa just because some comments are posted on a web sight does not make it true.
The man is as close to democrat as you can get. His actions on immigration alone turned me off. Kodos for his performance as a POW, But the guy changes directions based on the political wind. You have a right to vote for him as I have the right not to.

[BigPoppa]

Are your feelings hurt that someone doesn't like McCain?


Of course not. He wasn't even my first choice. Is he the perfect candidate ? No, but there's not one of those out there, so we pick from among who we're given. But he is a damn sight better than Hillary or Obama, and I certainly don't want either one of those to be sworn in a year from now. If you guys do......hope that works out for you.


I'm not voting for him and I know exactly why and I don't have to show you squat for it.


I said this earlier....here's my post...

If nothing else, just say "I don't like the guy and I'm not gonna vote for him...don't know why, don't know that much about him, just a gut feeling".



You have a right to vote for him as I have the right not to.


Couldn't agree more. But that wasn't the thrust of my original and subsequent posts. My point was you DON'T have the RIGHT to call somebody a liar and an SOB and then run away from your comments without giving any
justification or facts to back them up.

[slothful1]

Nobody yet has put up any figures, votes, or specifics about why they won't support him, just generalities and vague comments.

The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 and the failed "immigration reform" attempt in 2006 would each be enough for me. And his pandering to leftists on assorted other issues (the "gun show loophole") doesn't help any.

[newsphotog]

Given the lay of the land that makes McCain pretty pro-gun. I'd certainly put him up against Hillary or Obama.

:up:
+1 on that, enough said for me.

[Hyaloid]

A person would have to be both shallow and dense if they would
base their vote on a media photograph. Are people really that stupid?
They're probably the same people who would throw their vote away
on a goof like Ron Paul, and then b1tch and moan if Hillary ends up
winning White House. Apparently, common sense isn't.

Shallow, dense.... stupid... thank you Mr. Congeniality.

I said in the title, that I do not want to vote for McCain, not that I wouldn't. I thought it was a humorous photo that encapsulated my belief that he is too close to many on the left, and based on his track history of policies and votes, he is little better than many hardcore liberals (read socialists) on core issues... Freedom of Speech and immigration for starters.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good insult. :rolleyes:

[Marswolf]

I'm like about everyone else. I don't care for any of the candidates. But realistically, it's going to get down to McCain or Romney. That's an easy choice for me.

And I'll be glad to hold my nose and vote against either of the Democrats.

[canynracer]

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcmahanphoto_1985_276244712 (http://javascript<b></b>:CaricaFoto('http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcmahanphoto_1985_276193885','','http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/mcmahanphoto_1985_52517','520','665'))

Doesn't this make you feel better

LMFAO!!!!!

[Hyaloid]

I'm like about everyone else. I don't care for any of the candidates. But realistically, it's going to get down to McCain or Romney. That's an easy choice for me.

And I'll be glad to hold my nose and vote against either of the Democrats.

I agree... the last thing I want is a Democratic president to go with Congress...

[triggertime]

I thought it was a humorous photo that encapsulated my belief that he is too close to many on the left, and based on his track history of policies and votes, he is little better than many hardcore liberals (read socialists) on core issues...

Sorry. I guess I'm just not a fan of vitreous humor, huh, Hyaloid?

:cool:

[Marswolf]

Sorry. I guess I'm just not a fan of vitreous humor,

[Groan]..........

[Mike.357]

I heard a good way to look at all this.

A guy on the radio said something to the effect of "Clinton or Obama as president will run the country into the ground at 100 mph, McCain as president will only do it at 50 mph."

I did not vote for McCain in the primary but I will vote for him in the general election if he is the candidate.

If the candidate is Romney I think i would rather have Obama. Obama will divide people so bad nothing will get done either way anyhow.

I wonder who VP's might be?

[Marswolf]

I wonder who VP's might be?

Good way to look at it Mike. The mileage thing, I mean.

But I've also been wondering who the VP might be. Wonder if Cheney is still available? :devil:

[et45]

I think Fred Thompson would make an excellent VP candidate.

[Marswolf]

I think Fred Thompson would make an excellent VP candidate.

I'd say that would be an excellent choice.

And on the Democrat side...Bill Clinton could always run.... :mad:

[Bigiron]

What if McCain chose Newt Gingrich as VP?

[TargetShooter84]

I think Fred Thompson would make an excellent VP candidate.

I second that!