CC vests anyone??

[Atomic]

I'm new to TGO. I'd appreciate any thoughts or experience people have regarding vests for CC. I've shopped the internet and can find some in styles such a photographer, western leather, sportsman. Would they would do the job? Are they are a 'flag' for CC?

[2HOW]

I , like some are of the opinion that they are a "FLAG". others don't think so. You have to make up your own mind. I prefer a jacket or loose shirt.:tinfoil:

[bang-flash]

is this for you to cc? or for comp shooting?

to me a vest says gun under here. unless its accompanied by a ratty fishing hat with flys stuck in it. you may consider other forms of concealment b4 indulging in a vest. but if its cheap, go for it and sell if it doesn't work out for you. just my opinion, yours may vary.

[deerslayer]

Photog vests scream "gun", while fleece vests are very much in style. They are a bit floppy for drawing a gun, but that can sometimes be remedied by the user.

[jcoyle6]

anything that even remotely resembles anything out of the 5.11 catalog screams gun to those in the community. don't get me wrong, I like my 5.11 pants at the range or some other like-wise class or event. but the photog vest is a no go unless it is stuck full of fishing equipment or there is a huge canon/(insert your favorite camera company here) around your neck...

[Marswolf]

I agree. They look goofy.

You want to wear something that does not call attention to you. Might as well open carry as wear one of those vests.

[Beretta Racer]

Coronado Leather makes some very nice, and expensive, classic leather vests designed for carry, In fact their whole line of products is designed for carry.
Leave the photog and fishing vests alone.

[Rightwinger]

direct quote from several threads on ARFCOM

"tey ghey" if you've been there you know. It you haven't, where have you been?

[Mike.357]

Might as well open carry


oh boy :rolleyes: :devil:

[Marswolf]

oh boy :rolleyes: :devil:

Oh...you noticed that? :p

[Medic908]

Got a couple of Columbia fleece pull-overs for Christmas and they have worked very well for me. Good concealment, warm, comfortable, and fashionable (so my wife tells me...)

[triggertime]

Got a couple of Columbia fleece pull-overs for Christmas and they have worked very well for me. Good concealment, warm, comfortable, and fashionable (so my wife tells me...)

And you won't look like a dork wearing one, either.

[Medic908]

I dunno - I know some people that would probably argue with you about that about me...:D

[Atomic]

Coronado Leather makes some very nice, and expensive, classic leather vests designed for carry, In fact their whole line of products is designed for carry.
Leave the photog and fishing vests alone.

Looks like I ditch the vest idea - thanks. Coronado looked good but at $200 and up its kind of spendy. Looks like loose shirts and big-waisted pants are in my shopping list.:( Otherwise a SOB holster and a sport coat.

[BIG ROB]

I second the fleece jobs. The fleece vests work well also. But the important thing is try not to change the way you dress simply cause you are carrying a weapon. Continue being you!!

Good choice on passing the vest up.:)

[ReefBlueCoupe]

I don't get the vest deal. I know Massad Ayoob wants everyone to wear one (along with carry two cell phones from two different providers, two flashlights, etc), but I don't want to look like I'm on an African safari, or like Aladdin.

[Atomic]

The photographers vest is the ceremonial garment of the Tacti-krishna cult.:p

Thats a good one - do they come in orange?:D

[towerclimber37]

Looks like I ditch the vest idea - thanks. Coronado looked good but at $200 and up its kind of spendy. Looks like loose shirts and big-waisted pants are in my shopping list.:( Otherwise a SOB holster and a sport coat.


are you from Minnesota? they say things like that up there..
they also don't make tea in the winter..they say its "out of season."
them folks ain't got any sense. LOL

I usually either wear a shirt pulled out in the summer (or I open carry) or I wear a carhartt jacket in the winter...that generally takes care of the coverage.
either way, Rob is right..be you.
*sings* "Its yo thang, do whatcha wanna do":dirty:

[Atomic]

are you from Minnesota? they say things like that up there..
they also don't make tea in the winter..they say its "out of season."
them folks ain't got any sense. LOL

I usually either wear a shirt pulled out in the summer (or I open carry) or I wear a carhartt jacket in the winter...that generally takes care of the coverage.
either way, Rob is right..be you.
*sings* "Its yo thang, do whatcha wanna do":dirty:


I've hunted there and done some fishing. Good catch on the phrase - hey

[Ernest.T.Bass]

A vest says "I'm packin"

I like a twill blazer with jeans if it is cool. It has long tails that don't ride up. If is warm- a loose cut fishing type (Columbia) or Hawaiian Shirt makes thing easy. If I am in shorts, I wear a fanny pack and try to look as European and masculine as possible so people won't think I'm.....

[strickj]

A vest says "I'm packin"

I like a twill blazer with jeans if it is cool. It has long tails that don't ride up. If is warm- a loose cut fishing type (Columbia) or Hawaiian Shirt makes thing easy. If I am in shorts, I wear a fanny pack and try to look as European and masculine as possible so people won't think I'm.....
[clears throat] Packin what now!?!

[Marswolf]

If I am in shorts, I wear a fanny pack and try to look as European and masculine as possible so people won't think I'm.....

That's why god, er I mean George Kelgren invented the P3AT and P-32. They work in shorts back pockets as well as jean back pockets. Or was it Ruger thai invented it in a time-warp. I can never remember. :D

Fannie packs are great for hiking in the woods. In Wally-World they scream concealed handgun.

[towerclimber37]

whew! narrowly averted the shameless plug by Marswolf for thunderwear. :koolaid:

As for looking European and masculine... in some parts of the state you may not want to do that.. I should think that in Memphis, that would get you violated..or in the very least, robbed!
:taser:

Mars is correct on the p3at... that pistol, like the seacamp, is perfect for CC in the summer..or in the winter for that matter! its great for what it does..provide you with a very concealable tool for self defense...and before someone says "its only .380", unless someone knows you and has a bone to pick, then that .380 will deter an assault..especially if you shoot them several times with it...folks tend to worry about themselves quite a bit more than other folks after they develop leaks.
:D

[deerslayer]

unless someone knows you and has a bone to pick, then that .380 will deter an assault..especially if you shoot them several times with it...folks tend to worry about themselves quite a bit more than other folks after they develop leaks.
:D

unless they don't even know that they've been shot, which SOMETIMES happens when somone determined to kill you gets shot with any pistol round. A 9mm, .40, or a .45 handgun is a lousy tool for stopping a human in his tracks, but a .380 is the pits, especially when coming out of a 2" Kel-Tec.

:2cents:

[Marswolf]

I don't know where people got the idea that a 380 ACP is a bad self-defense round. I have some grisly video (LE stuff) that shows that 32s don't always penetrate the cranial vault, but no video showing that in a 380.

Unless you are on PCP, it will get your attention. If you are on PCP, it may take a while, but a nice head shot will still slow you down until you die.

Anyway, a 380 that you carry in your pocket is a lot better than a 45 ACP back at home because it's harder to conceal.

[saintsfanbrian]

Truer words couldn't have been spoken, Mars.

A gun in the hand will get two birds in the bush real quick.

Leave a .45 at home and need it vs. a .380 in the pocket? I'll take the pocket (and god willing will have one by the end of this year dang budget)

[mac12]

I guess that I would be in real trouble with my little 25 auto that I carry in my pocket holster, should I ever need it. If I ever had to shoot at someone with it, it would probably just make them mad. I wear shorts and polos nearly 24/7 in the summer time and the little pistol is easily concealed, but not much firepower.

[gunsablazin]

I wear one of my IDPA vests when I am in places where I don't care if people know I am armed. Some of the people I work with and myself carry at work, our boss likes it because in her words it "makes her feel safe" (nice boss huh!), but to keep our customers from possibly feeling uncomfortable I wear a vest so it is at least not obvious that I am totin'. When out with my family I use other, less obvious methods, most of the time.

Robin

[Marswolf]

I guess that I would be in real trouble with my little 25 auto that I carry in my pocket holster, should I ever need it. If I ever had to shoot at someone with it, it would probably just make them mad. I wear shorts and polos nearly 24/7 in the summer time and the little pistol is easily concealed, but not much firepower.

Actually I have a 25 caliber Sterling. But I don't carry it. More of a curiosity.

[deerslayer]

Back in the 60s, my dad witnessed a guy get shot several times in the chest at point-blank range with a .25, and the guy receiving the .25s grabbed an old lady and held her between himself and the gunman. He was definitely not "neutralized." BTW, my dad said the poor old lady was "singing a tune." No kidding.

I just did some training with Tom Givens this weekend, and he told a story of a shooting he investigated that involved a man getting shot five times in the chest with a .380. None of the bullets penetrated into his chest cavity, and after receiving the five .380s, he proceeded to beat the shooter half to death. Of course, you can kill someone with a .380 or a .25--you may kill them in their tracks, or they may die next week in the hospital. Your chances of neutralizing them are far greater with a .40 or .45. The trick is to figure out how to keep from leaving that .40 or .45 at home. I have a .380, and it is better than a pocket knife, but I am about to get rid of it for something more substantial. I never carry it as a primary CCW.

[deerslayer]

I guess that I would be in real trouble with my little 25 auto that I carry in my pocket holster, should I ever need it. If I ever had to shoot at someone with it, it would probably just make them mad. I wear shorts and polos nearly 24/7 in the summer time and the little pistol is easily concealed, but not much firepower.

I can easily conceal a Glock 23 with shorts and an untucked polo; in fact, that is what I usually wear when the temperature is above 60.

[Marswolf]

I just did some training with Tom Givens this weekend, and he told a story of a shooting he investigated that involved a man getting shot five times in the chest with a .380. None of the bullets penetrated into his chest cavity

That's why mine is loaded with FMJs. I'd like to see the police report on that incident. 380s should have easily penetrated unless they were those super-killer fragmentation rounds like Extreme Shock (http://www.extremeshockusa.com/).. :p

No doubt that a round with more power is better, but 380 is adequate in my experience.

[jackdog]

FMJ 380's is my usual carry load, for my Kel-Tec. I'm confident that I will get penetration,and the BG will leak.

[WIMPY]

If you are still looking for a vest I have a 5.11 in XLG only worn once or twice. maleperson@bellsouth.net

[deerslayer]

If you are still looking for a vest I have a 5.11 in XLG only worn once or twice. maleperson@bellsouth.net


price?

[deerslayer]

That's why mine is loaded with FMJs. I'd like to see the police report on that incident. 380s should have easily penetrated unless they were those super-killer fragmentation rounds like Extreme Shock (http://www.extremeshockusa.com/).. :p

No doubt that a round with more power is better, but 380 is adequate in my experience.

I once asked Chuck Taylor about this--I was thinking the same thing: carry FMJs in my Kel-Tec instead of HPs to insure penetration. His answer? Get a J-frame. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I have almost decided that a Kahr PM9 or 40 can be concealed just about anywhere my P3AT can, and should be much more powerful, especially the PM40.

[deerslayer]

That's why mine is loaded with FMJs. I'd like to see the police report on that incident. 380s should have easily penetrated unless they were those super-killer fragmentation rounds like Extreme Shock (http://www.extremeshockusa.com/).. :p

No doubt that a round with more power is better, but 380 is adequate in my experience.


He also showed us a target clip (thin black sheet metal clip) that got shot with a .380. First, he showed one that got hit by a 9mm, and it had a 9.1mm hole in it. Then, one hit by a .45, and it had a .46 caliber hole in it. Then, he brought out the one hit with a .380, and the bullet just splattered against it. He said if someone is shooting at you with a .380, just hide behind a few of these clips. His summary of the .380 (exact words): "this thing is a f***ing joke!"

Jeez Tom, why not tell us what you're really thinking?

[jackdog]

It seems extremely odd to me, the 9mm kruz or .380 has been used for many years by a large number of police dept. in Europe and has done quite well. To insinuate that the .380 is a f**king joke is pretty foolish to me. I wonder if chuck Taylor would care to be a target for someone standing 7 yards away with a loaded .380. Then again I'd rather rely on a F**king joke .380 than a knife if I were in a gun fight. guess i'm just strange or something.

[someguy12341]

I've got a fleece-lined vest from North Face that has a semi-waterproof polyester fabric on the outside... It's fairly fitted, so it looks like the typical 'outdoors-poser' black vest, which is fine with me. I wear it unzipped, and my Sig P220 worn IWB does not print, as the vest tends to not hug as tight when unzipped. Heck, even when I've worn it zipped, unless I bend down, the pistol wouldn't print. Vests in general aren't necessarily 'gun-flags'... But 'tacti-cool' vests specifically do stand out more, for sure.

[Marswolf]

I've been packing since 1968 and shooting people since 1969. I'll keep my f**king joke 380, thank you.

[deerslayer]

It seems extremely odd to me, the 9mm kruz or .380 has been used for many years by a large number of police dept. in Europe and has done quite well. To insinuate that the .380 is a f**king joke is pretty foolish to me. I wonder if chuck Taylor would care to be a target for someone standing 7 yards away with a loaded .380. Then again I'd rather rely on a F**king joke .380 than a knife if I were in a gun fight. guess i'm just strange or something.

I hear ya--a .380 is better than a knife, but I bet Chuck and Tom would prefer taking four .380s over two .40s. My goal is to avoid situations where a Kel-Tec is the only thing I can carry. Right now, I can easily hide my Glock 27 about 90% of the time. The Kel-Tec is mainly used when I am jogging or when I want a BUG.

[newsphotog]

Looks like I ditch the vest idea - thanks. Coronado looked good but at $200 and up its kind of spendy. Looks like loose shirts and big-waisted pants are in my shopping list.:( Otherwise a SOB holster and a sport coat.



Before you go buy loose shirts and big-waisted pants you might want to check out an MTAC holster. It's tuckable- your shirt tail will conceal it just fine and it is really comfortable, even after wearing it for 10+ hours a day. I haven't changed anything concerning my daily dress and no one has a clue I'm carrying a full sized SIG. About all I had to do was take my leather belt out 1 notch, now I have a wilderness belt that works much better.
When I feel like carrying my Kahr I use a High Noon tuckable holster.