Glock vs XD

[wareagle]

I'm in the market for a pair of pistols. Specifically, I'd like to find a pair of fullsize (home protection) and sub compact (CCW) autos that share magazines and holsters. I'd like the pistols in .40 or 9mm. I also want hi cap (15+) mags.

This search led me to looking at Glocks (g17 & 26 or g22 & 27). Anyway, during the search several have said I should look at the XD model line instead.

Just wanted to get a few thoughts from you guys.

[Cannon Fodder]

The XD felt more natural in my hand than the Glocks I played with, that is why I went with the XD.

[Rifleman]

I would just buy three Glock 19s. That way you will have one standard pistol. Same holsters, same mags. It holds 15 rounds and has a 4 inch barrel, so it meets the criteria of a full size service pistol. It is also small enough to conceal every day in an IWB holster.

The Glock is the more reliable pistol as well. I found out the hard (expensive) way.

[Tungsten]

The Glock is the more reliable pistol as well. I found out the hard (expensive) way.

Very interested in hearing more about this. I have owned Glocks for years and recently standardized on XDs.

[Cannon Fodder]

I would too. I have read nothing but good things about the XDs, other than the slide lock problem on the .40s.

[ReefBlueCoupe]

I like them both.

[Shane]

Very interested in hearing more about this. I have owned Glocks for years and recently standardized on XDs.

I would too. I have read nothing but good things about the XDs, other than the slide lock problem on the .40s.

Put simply, when we went through the fighting pistol class the only guns that did not malfunction were the glocks. XD9's, XD45's, Sigs and more were crashing left and right. I ran my Glock 17 the entire weekend without cleaning it and it operated flawlessly.

That is my experience, I'm sure others have much more to add.

[Shane]

I like them both.

I like them both too, I even own them both, but I'll keep the other guns in the safe to look pretty while I'm training with the Glock 17. :)

[Tungsten]

Put simply, when we went through the fighting pistol class the only guns that did not malfunction were the glocks. XD9's, XD45's, Sigs and more were crashing left and right. I ran my Glock 17 the entire weekend without cleaning it and it operated flawlessly.

That is my experience, I'm sure others have much more to add.

That's odd and certainly deviates from what I have experienced myself with the XD and the experiences of others that I have read or heard. I know that the Glock is a reliable gun, but the XD has proven to be just as reliable in my own experiences with it.

I have 800 rds to date through my XD45C and it has never jammed. I may do an experiment with our XD9 Service and not clean it for a thousand rounds just to see how it does. It's not a carry weapon so it won't be putting anyone in harm's way to do this.

In fact... I just made up my mind. 1000rds without cleaning. We'll start the experiment with my next trip to the range with it. :)

[Cannon Fodder]

What were the malfunctions?

[Cannon Fodder]

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html

[drewi]

The magazines were the issues in the pistol class. The magazines were dropped in the talcum-like dirt a few times. After that the follower would stick and the rounds would just fall out of the magazine. Is that going to happen in a clean enviroment with your perfectly clean gun, probably not. But why would I want something that doesn't perform in those conditions when I can have something that will?

Another thing everyone needs to know about the XD: The recoil spring is very stiff. This is a problem is you have a smaller shooter, or if you have a bad grip on the gun. The gun will certainly malfunction if you don't grip it well.

I'm not saying other guns aren't worth trusting your life to, but I will stick with what I know will work.

With that said it's Glocks for me. They've just gone through many more trials than these new guns that are out. Something else everyone needs to keep in mind when selecting a firearm. While the design is important, the company also has to be able to produce good guns every lot. Glock has proven that it can make good guns over the years with few problems.

[Rifleman]

I also agree that the XD is worth trusting. I shot 2000 rounds through one with no cleaning and no malfunctions. It was accurate and handles better than many double stack guns. Just keep it clean and maintained like you should any gun.

[Tungsten]

The magazines were the issues in the pistol class. The magazines were dropped in the talcum-like dirt a few times. After that the follower would stick and the rounds would just fall out of the magazine. Is that going to happen in a clean enviroment with your perfectly clean gun, probably not. But why would I want something that doesn't perform in those conditions when I can have something that will?

I agree that this would cause justifiable concern. I remember when Glock magazines didn't have metal liners and would bulge, causing them to jam into the magazine well. Glock corrected that and I wonder if Springfield would correct this issue if they were alerted to it.

Did you send Springfield a letter or email about it?

[drewi]

No I didn't.

I'm sure someone notify them. I'm certain they would fix the problem if they perceive it as such.

[Tungsten]

No I didn't.

I'm sure someone notify them. I'm certain they would fix the problem if they perceive it as such.
One would definitely hope so! I hope you don't mind but I reposted the comments from this thread over on XDTalk with changes made to the names of parties involved just to protect the innocent.

I want to see if anyone else has had these problems and if Springfield has or is doing anything about it. As you said, it may never happen to a clean weapon but we don't always have the luxury of having clean weapons.

Along a similar vein... did you get to fondle the new Glock 21SF at Shotshow and if so, what did you think of it? The pictures give me a serious jones to add one to the collection at a later point in time.

[drewi]

Yeah, it would probably be better coming from someone that actually owns one of those guns. I've never owned one but I witnessed the problems first hand. I usually don't comment on matters that didn't happen to me directly but this is an exception.

I didn't make it over to the Glock booth at the show. I heard about that gun though. It sounds nice.

I did however see the HK .45 with the ergo grip. It felt very good in the hand, much better than the full size USP .45. If I should choose to buy another .45 this might be the ticket.

[Titan Scout]

To the original question:

It doesn't really matter as long as you train and carry every day.

I carry Glocks, but I would bet the XD could make me happy too.

[nitrous_mike]

To me the XD felt better and actually fit in my short fat hands alot better then the glocks. I have shot over 4k rounds threw my XD 40 since the first of last year with out one single issue. I do not have a reason to say it is better then a glock other then the fact that I can handle it better. The biggest problem I had with the glock was the ridge on the back of the grip made the gun want to roll to one side or the other. I guess if I had anouther grip to put on a glock I would buy one.

[drewi]

The XD fits in my hand better than a Glock, it's a great gun and shoots well. But when I considered all things I went with Glock.

[wareagle]

Guys: I appreciate all of the input! Very good info. Right now, I'm leaning towards the Glocks. Now I just need to find a good deal on a pair of 9mm or .40cal models.

[drewi]

On Target in Murfreesboro or Franklin Gun Shop will treat you right no matter which gun you pick.

[Shay VanVlymen]

I remember when Glock magazines didn't have metal liners and would bulge, causing them to jam into the magazine well.

Going from memory:

The non-full metal lined early magazines were designed to bulge and not drop free because Glock designed the pistol for the military so they wanted the magazine to stay in the gun if the mag release was inadvertently pressed.

They changed the design to the full metal lined version because of complaints from Americans that we wanted faster mag changes.

[Cannon Fodder]

On Target in Murfreesboro or Franklin Gun Shop will treat you right no matter which gun you pick.


After my experience with On Target and some recent info I received I will never set foot in On Target again. Franklin Gun Shop however will be receiving most if not all my business, I have been very pleased with the service I received at Franklin.

[Tungsten]

Going from memory:

The non-full metal lined early magazines were designed to bulge and not drop free because Glock designed the pistol for the military so they wanted the magazine to stay in the gun if the mag release was inadvertently pressed.

They changed the design to the full metal lined version because of complaints from Americans that we wanted faster mag changes.

I'd have been one of those complaining Americans back then. :lol:

[J.York]

After my experience with On Target and some recent info I received I will never set foot in On Target again. Franklin Gun Shop however will be receiving most if not all my business, I have been very pleased with the service I received at Franklin.


I know and have trained with owners of both shops so I feel comfortable dealing with either, and I have purchased from both. I will say though that I prefer dealing with Franklin Gun Shop, they have a much bigger inventory and the entire staff is knowledgable and helpful; whereas at On Target I try to just deal with the guys I know. Of course, we're not really comparing apples to apples here. Franklin is a family owned and operated gun shop and On Target is an Indoor Range and training center that sells guns. Just my .02

[DeeZee]

Theres a G19 with 4-500 rounds through it with nightsights and some extra goodies on GT for 425 OBO FTF in W.Tn. Im just letting yall know cause it sounds like a screaming deal if a man could pick it up for 400. Id do it myself if I didnt already have one!

[Shay VanVlymen]

You can't own just one Glock 19!

[DeeZee]

You can't own just one Glock 19!


Shay, I keep trying to convince myself of that! I want another 19 AND another 30.........Just have to get my reloading table setup first...once I do that I'm doubling up on the Glocks.

[Cannon Fodder]

Tunger, you hear back from Springfield yet?

[Tungsten]

Tunger, you hear back from Springfield yet?
About.... ?

The responses to the dirty magazines jamming thread that I started on XDTalk were mostly people defending the XD by accusing the guys here of being Glock fanboys. :lol:

I suspected that would happen and didn't even count those replies as being valid. The same would have happened if a Glock person posted something like that about Glocks over on GlockTalk and said that the people accusing the guns of failing were XD owners. ;)

There were a few valid responses from people who said that they have dropped their mags in the dirt, mud, snow, etc. while shooting competitions and that they had no such failures. They did say that they shook their mags out before slamming them back into the gun.

One fellow said that anyone who slams a magazine full of dirt into their gun deserves to have it jam. :lol:

I realize of course that when it's a life or death situation, you might not have time to shake out the dirt and if the Glocks fired full of gunk, then that's a testimony to them being able to eat all sorts of garbage and still fire. I'm not going to test it out on my XD anytime soon, though, and prefer not to ever have to find out.

[Cannon Fodder]

I though you were going to email Springfield on the issue.

[Tungsten]

I though you were going to email Springfield on the issue.
No, I asked them if they had.

[Rooster]

Im picking up a Sub-compact XD-9 this afternoon at Franklin Gun shop, So I might soon have some imput on this matter. My first gun was a Glock 26. I still have it and I dont think I will ever get rid of it. It has had countless rounds through it and has never even come close to jamming. The reason im adding the XD-9 to my collection is I shot one a while back and loved the way it felt in my hand, and it shot dead-nuts on.

[Cannon Fodder]

I'm still waiting on a call from Franklin where my BiTone has come in. :( I want my XD............. Of course it has only been a week and a day.

[ReefBlueCoupe]

What does Franklin Guns charge for their FFL fee? My guy only charges $20 + the instacheck fee http://www.lxcoupe.com/images/cool.gif

[Cannon Fodder]

$50, $40 for the transfer and $10 for the background check.

[Rooster]

What does Franklin Guns charge for their FFL fee? My guy only charges $20 + the instacheck fee http://www.lxcoupe.com/images/cool.gif
From what their website says, they dont do FFL transfers. Not sure why they dont. They have the one im getting in stock so no worries for me.

[Cannon Fodder]

From what their website says, they dont do FFL transfers. Not sure why they dont. They have the one im getting in stock so no worries for me.

Transfers.We do accept the transfer of firearms you have purchased elsewhere, although we encourage you to check with us first to see if we can get the gun for you at the same or near the same price since there are transfer fee and shipping and handling charges. The charge for this is $50 which includes the $10 background check fee
http://www.franklingunshop.com/html/services.html

[Donnie]

A friend of mine owns a gun shop here in Winchester and he charges $25 total for FFL transfers. If you're close, it wouldn't be that bad, but from Nashville you'd probably spend $25 or more in gas just to get here and back.

[Cannon Fodder]

From what their website says, they dont do FFL transfers. Not sure why they dont. They have the one im getting in stock so no worries for me.

Mine is an order from them. I have faith in them its just the BiTones seem to be a bitch to get ahold of right now.

[Rooster]

Mine is an order from them. I have faith in them its just the BiTones seem to be a bitch to get ahold of right now.
Which one did you order?

[Cannon Fodder]

4" Service.

[Engloid]

The true gun fanatics will think I'm looney, but I buy a gun to shoot it, not to clean it. I have had my xd40 for about 2 years and haven't cleaned it yet. (Yeah, I need to.) It has not jammed once.

[J.D.D]

I have had my XD-9-SC now for about 1 year and fired just about ever brand of ammo made, FMJ and HP and it has never jammed or had any FTF. Ever time I have pulled the trigger it has fired. I have fired as many as 500 rounds without cleaning it and still going good.
I have had A couple of Glocks before but the XD fits my hand better.

[Cannon Fodder]

I'm debating, I may still get a G17 after I pay off my XD.

[J.D.D]

XD TORTURE TEST
I am sure some of you have read this but for anyone asking if the XD line of Pistols are any good, You should read this!

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html (http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html)

[molonlabetn]

In MY opinion, the Glock and XD are roughly equivalent. Same finish, similar size and capacity, and both are arguably some of the most reliable/durable pistols on the market... especially in their price-range. There is strong aftermarket support for both, as well. Both designs have their advantages, flaws, hype and horror-stories; but realistically, both are equally mundane, superbly functional tools, which few people possess the expertise to realize the full potential of... I don't.

The minor differences between the two are merely grounds for choosing one or the other purely based on personal preference (grip, sights, trigger-pull, execution of safety features, etc...)

I choose the XD based on my preference to its unique attributes apart from the Glock... Simple 'nuf. Because of this, I am more confident that I could defend myself more efficiently with an XD than a Glock, while others' results may vary.

[Marswolf]

I've mentioned in another topic that I had a G26 and traded it for an XD-9 sub. I have found both to be reliable, which is my first requirement in a carry gun. The XD just handles better for me and is a little safer.

I'd have to rate the Glock as very slightly more reliable using factory ammunition. At the same time the reason for that loading reliability is also the cause of the occasional kaboom using the verboten reloaded cartridges.

So, what do I carry? H&K USP 40 or H&K P7M8 for urban use. Beretta 92SB for foreign use. The XD goes in the side pocket of my car. I don't own any Glocks these days. Had a G23 for a while before getting the USP.

[wareagle]

Well, I decided to go with the glock. Today, I picked up a used G34 (2pin w/ rail and new grip). Very impressed with the 3.5lb trigger, but not the adjustable sites.

Now i just need to pickup a G26 and i'll be done.

Thanks for everyone's help!

[triggertime]

I'm surprised that none of you have commented on the fact that when a part
breaks on an XD, you have to send it back to Springfield to get it fixed.

With a Glock, spare parts are easy to find just about everywhere and are
easily replaced. This is why Glock dominates both the LEO and civilian market.

Until Springfield ponies up and starts releasing parts on the open market that any average Joe can purchase and install, they will never catch up to Glock or or even to the Smith and Wesson's M&P series.

[ReefBlueCoupe]

I'm surprised that none of you have commented on the fact that when a part
breaks on an XD, you have to send it back to Springfield to get it fixed.

With a Glock, spare parts are easy to find just about everywhere and are
easily replaced. This is why Glock dominates both the LEO and civilian market.

Until Springfield ponies up and starts releasing parts on the open market that any average Joe can purchase and install, they will never catch up to Glock or or even to the Smith and Wesson's M&P series.

Probably because I haven't had any parts break on my XD :cool:

Anyone here had their XD break yet?

Glock dominates because they have been selling those mainstream pistols since the early 80s.

I'm not trying to start an arguement here or a Ford vs Chevy pissing contest, but "catch up" to M&P? I'm assuming you mean number of guns sold.

How do you figure since the M&P has only been around about a year and a half whereas the XD/HS2000 has been around since 99? I don't know anyone who owns an M&P online or in person, but I know at least 5 people personally who own XDs.

[molonlabetn]

Anyone know where to find the sales numbers of Glocks and/or Springfield XDs per year to the general public?

The Smith & Wesson M&P sales won't be anywhere near either one, but I'd venture to say it is very likely that the OTC sales numbers (per year) between the XD and Glock are closing rapidly, or possibly already surpassed.

[Cannon Fodder]

I'm still holding a $900 piece of paper. :cry: I think my XD is still stuck in customs or something. :(

[molonlabetn]

Nope, none of my XDs have broken or required return to SA. And I have only heard of a handful which did. However, I do hear about Glocks being worked-on by armorers for one reason or another, on a regular basis... Biggest difference is that the SA has a lifetime warranty, and fewer small parts inside to break.

[Donnie]

I haven't had a lick of trouble out of my XDs. No Jams, failures to feed, failures to fire, failures to eject, etc. and I don't forsee any either.

[GlocKingTN]

I think its all "personal opinion". Just my .2!

[Tungsten]

I'm still holding a $900 piece of paper. :cry: I think my XD is still stuck in customs or something. :(
Should I tell you that On Target had a bi-tone in their store the other night while I was there? :lol:

[Cannon Fodder]

Should I tell you that On Target had a bi-tone in their store the other night while I was there? :lol:


Probably the .40 they had before.

[GT_Rat]

They had 2 or 3 of them as of 30 mins ago. ;)

[Cannon Fodder]

They had 2 or 3 of them as of 30 mins ago. ;)

Oh well. After the way I was treated trying to place an order there and then they lost the damn order, I will not buy anything from them.