which stock for 1861 Navy?

[Mark@Sea]

I picked up a new-in-box 1861 36 Navy made by Pietta. It has the recoil shield cuts, grip slot and extended frame screws for a shoulder stock, but I can't find a stock for sale designated for this model. Will the 1860 Army stock fit it? Anyone?

[Mike.357]

Mark, I do not know about it firsthand. But I bet if you call EMF and ask they can tell you. They sell Pietta firearms and are great people to deal with

Their number is 800-430-1310

I am thinking it will work.

http://www.emf-company.com/black-powder-accessories.htm

[TN.Frank]

The '61 should have the same grip frame as the '51 IIRC. The '60 Army is a lot longer, best bet is to go to a shop that's got both and compare it but I'm pretty sure the '51 and '61 are the same.

[Mark@Sea]

EMF's reply:

I checked out the 1861 and 1860 and both have the extended screws for the shoulder stock. The 1860 shoulder stock does have to be fitted to the revolver (it fits very snug, and taking it on and off during fitting more than likely will scratch the grip) and has to be filed until it fits correctly.

[Mike.357]

Mark is there a particular reason you want the shoulder stock?

If you gotta have it I would suggest getting a revolver and dedicate it to use as a carbine. I saw a couple at the gunshow last week and they were very much eye catching.

If I had not had my heart set on that Henry I would have looked at them a lot closer.

[Mark@Sea]

Mike, I thought it might be fun, and a bit different. I probably would dedicate the new '61 Navy I bought last week... The price was too good to turn down, I guess.

Might even pick up one of those 1873's for myself, the price is very good. Doesn't look like they are selling spare cylinders for them, but that design should lend itself to a cylinder change for a quick reload.

[towerclimber37]

well fellas,

I was THIS close to getting a BP pistol today. I decided to buy a firearm today and Julie convinced me that I have enough pistols on this trip. I saw, on the rack, A new Uberti 1866 .45 long colt sporting rifle.

soooo..as a result, though it's not black powder, I have a new addition to the family.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/uberti_1866_rifles.htm

here's mine

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s77/towerclimber37/100_2258-1.jpg

I will have something to shoot alongside you guys when we finally get a chance to get together!

[Mike.357]

though it's not black powder,


The option is out there, LOL

Goex Black Dawge Black Powder Ammunition 45 Colt (Long Colt) 235 Grain Lead Flat Nose Box of 50 (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=244344)

Elliott that rifle is freakin AWESOME!!! I love it. One of these days a pistol caliber carbine is in my future. Congrats.

[towerclimber37]

saweeet!! thanks for the link Mike!! I saved it and will have a few boxes shipped to marks' house for when I get home.

I shot a total of 45 rounds through it today (Julie shot the very first round through it.) and won't shoot it anymore until we get together. I will say though, this rifle shoots so beautifully. the action is wicked smooth and it uses a 'round elevator' type action instead of a tip up feed system.
mine is the 24" barrel so it holds 13 rounds. I haven't shot using buckhorn sights in a long time so shooting it brought back memories of the very first rifle I ever got...one that Mark brought back from a trip at sea.

being a 45LC it makes HUGE holes in the paper...Julie loves that..and truth to tell, so do I.:D:D

I think that even if I don't win any accuracy contests, I should give you guys a run for your money on the best looking rifles....it surely is a handsome rifle.

thanks mike.

[xd shooter]

That is a sharp rifle. CONGRATS!!

[Mike.357]

Tower I think you will win the rifle beauty contest hands down. Uberti makes great stuff and their furniture is always top rate.

You know shooting BP cartridges is period correct for that rifle. I bet it makes great smoke. Can't wait to see you shoot it.

I am trying to figure out how to reload .45 Colt, I want to be able to load my own BP rounds for my Remington conversion on my '58. I'm saving up some cartridges right now so when I get a loader and other components I will be good to go.

[towerclimber37]

That is a sharp rifle. CONGRATS!!

thanks xd! I really like it!
it shoots beautifully!
I think that mark will have the stuff to reload so save your brass! do you have anything that shoots long colt?
I have a box of ammunition that I think you guys will like....

[Mike.357]

do you have anything that shoots long colt?

conversion cylinder for my Remington. It shoots .45 LC.

I bought some rounds before I found any BP cartridges. I think i have 100 rds yet.
If I buy any more pre rolled rounds they will be the Goex cartridges.

I don't shoot much of it since they cost a flippin fortune but I love having the capability.

[Mark@Sea]

Black powder cartridge reloading guide:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp;jsessionid=BZ4VYRDVL5JN3LAQBBJCCOVMCAEFGI WE?id=0002866212633a&type=product&cmCat=froogle&cm_ven=data_feed&cm_cat=froogle&cm_pla=0370206&cm_ite=0002866212633a&_requestid=5628


Online guide:
http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.black-powder-cartridge-reloading.html

[Mark@Sea]

I just ordered that guide from Cabelas. There are a couple other books that have been recommended to me, I will probably order them in the next month or three.
You're welcome to borrow them and decide if you want your own copy.

The lee anniversary press is probably a good way to get started reloading the .45LC. Another thing you're probably gonna need if you cast your own bullets is a lubesizer.

I don't have a recommendation yet for a mold - but if you are shooting BP the bullet is different, the mold is different.

In the long run, an electric melting pot is more economical than a gas or propane stove, but any of the three will work. I'll have a casting setup at the next shoot I'm home for, so everyone interested will get a chance to cast a few. Probably just round balls, but hey, its' a start...

By the way, folks, the summer months are coming - if you want to bring your camping gear and make it a two-dayer, you're more than welcome. Wide open to suggestions for the shoot, as well.

[Mike.357]

I was kind of thinking of a Lee Loader for the .45 LC

I still use it for .45acp and .357mags and it works well for me. I don't imagine I will ever load mass quantities of 45 Colts to I think saving on equipment expense might be prudent.

I could blaze through 100's of rounds if I felt the urge. But since being re-born back into the Holy Black my "rounds shot" count has dropped way down. but my days shooting have stayed the same. Now if I am in the mood to blaze away I stick to .22's

i tell you I have been getting the biggest kick out of the lever action Henry. That gun is flat out fun to shoot.

[towerclimber37]

Tower I think you will win the rifle beauty contest hands down. Uberti makes great stuff and their furniture is always top rate.



yah, at least until Mark gets his sharps rifle. :D no matter...they're both beautiful long guns, and your pistols would take the pistol beauty contest.

[Mark@Sea]

I'd been thinking in terms of full length resizing, but a lee loader may well work. It'll take a bit more force, with that longer case.
Lever guns are a hoot - I just ordered a Marbles tang sight for Sue's '92, and I might, now that I think about it, order one for my henry 22 golden boy.
A couple of notes - from what I have read and heard (and bear in mind I am just getting involved in this myself) you can't leave any room in the case - ideally the bullet will compress the powder when seated. Also, your cases need to be washed and dried as soon as practical after shooting the black. The old hot, soapy water route.
This is gonna be fun, guys... we'll see just how cheap we can be and make it work.
Might wanna start scavenging lead.

[towerclimber37]

so we hit up the tire shops? where else can we get lead?
you can buy lead cheap at dive shops...if they still use the old lead weights for ballast on their weight belts.

[Mike.357]

Mark where does the tang sight install on the golden boy and who did you order it from?
Is the tang on that rifle like my Henry 001 that has a metal tang
I am guessing that sight might be held on by the same screw that holds the stock
in place.

I have read about loading black and how you pretty much fill the cartridge up and leave just enough room to cram a bullet onto it. I would like to learn more.

[Mike.357]

aha, i found the tang sight from marlbes and there is one for my rifle ,LOL gonna watch the video and see how to put one on the rifle.

Well I watched enough of the video to know I do not want to do that myself. :eek: :surrender:

[Mark@Sea]

Track of the wolf has some Creedmore style tang sights - the midrange version is $59. Saw where someone had put one on a henry 22 - talk about your overkill - but it looks better to me than the marbles, if harder to install.
Installation should be just your average nightmare - drill and tap, make sure it is PERFECTLY vertical and centered.
Track of the wolf also has a range of molds for various calibers at what seemed to me to be decent prices - look in the reloading section.
That BP cartridge reloading book is ordered. Mike, if you want to borrow it at next months shoot and return it in July???
I have no idea yet of where to find lead. The softer / more pure the better for our purposes.

I just watched the installation video. I have all the tools required except for the tap, which I can pick one up, no problem. Doesn't look like it would be a killer job, maybe an hour or so to do it right.

[xd shooter]

Are used tire weights suitable for bullets? I thought the alloy was a little hard. If it is good I can get a bit.

[Mark@Sea]

XD, wheel weights are okay - better for rifle than pistol. Softer the better, but don't turn any down.
You pick out a pistol yet?

[towerclimber37]

I can tell you for a fact, if you can find a dive shop that sells the old lead weights, they're soft and pure enough to shoot from a pistol...you'll pay a couple of bucks a pound for them, but they're soft enough to shoot from a pistol.

you guys are making me want to gussie up my rifle!

[Mike.357]

I added the large loop lever to my Henry. It is not as efficient I guess but my hand fits in it better.

[towerclimber37]

It should! that's called a "mitten loop"..made for cold weather shooters who are wearing bulky mittens or gloves.

I just learned that when I reload .45LC it uses a pistol cartridge primer, which is a bit shorter. a rifle cartridge primer could cause premature discharge in the magazine tube due to recoil. Go figure!

[xd shooter]

XD, wheel weights are okay - better for rifle than pistol. Softer the better, but don't turn any down.
You pick out a pistol yet?

I can run by quite a few tire weights & the new kind that stick on are a little softer. this is what I use for splitshot sinkers because it bends easier. As far as a pistol I'm still in the market. Like I said I'm in no hurry for this one I'm workin on an AR also. Though it is verry tempting to put it on hold so I can get the 1873, 51 , or 61 can't decide. Choices ,Choices!!!

[Mike.357]

pistol cartridge primer


It never entered my mind that it would not use a pistol primer. The .45 Colt is a pistol round first and foremost isn't it? Heck I don't know, LOL.

I want to get some Black Powder cartridges for my '58. I am curious as to if it fouls up near as bad as using percusion caps and powder do. I am thinking a lot of the fouling in the action comes from the caps.

[Mike.357]

XD look hard at the '58 Remington.

the Colt 51 and 61 are fairly similar, the 73 is a shooter too.

[xd shooter]

Anyone go to the show? I'm going there today to check on deals for the AR. Does any of the venders carry cap & ball? If I can't find the deals i'm looking for I might see about bringing home a pistol!

[towerclimber37]

I think I want something to complement the Yellowboy. I figure a pistol circa +- 10 years. I'm thinking a percussion cap revolver like a regimental navy by pietta?

any advice guys? I like the mid to long barreled pistols, they seem to balance so beautifully and I think they'll shoot more accurately.

so!! give me some advice...:D

[Mark@Sea]

I'll give you some advice, brother.
Don't buy one. How does that work for you?
I have an older '51 at the house you can use. I just picked up a new '61.

XD, I'd like to go to the show, but there ain't one here in Norfolk... Have fun!

[xd shooter]

Well my youngen sitter fell through so now I can't go to the show(now that bites). Mark do you just not like the 51 anymore, or is the 61 that much better?

[Mike.357]

I'd go with what Mark says!!

[Mark@Sea]

XD, the pistols are functionally identical. I've had the '51 kicking around for maybe 7 or 8 years. Never shot it. When I was looking at the springfield trapdoor a week or so ago the '61 was sitting on the consignments shelf. Unfired, great great price, the trapdoor fell through, so I picked up the 61.
If I didn't have one and were looking, I personally like the 1860 army (44) or the 61 Navy (36) about equally. The lines are a little smoother than the 1851. The Sheriff model, with the shorter barrel, is probably the handiest of them, but I don't expect I'll actually carry the thing.
I'd recommend steel frame unless you plan to shoot it rarely, as the brass frame won't take the stresses the steel frame will - of course, thats' a long term thing.
Mike likes the Remington - it is a much stronger design, I just like the classic look of the open top.

[Mike.357]

definitely go with steel frame. Someday when you get ate up with it like I am you can pick up a brass frame. They are always on the cheap. But if you look around you can get steel for 30 bucks more than brass. The steel frame will help the gun last a hundred years or more.

The one biggest tip I can offer on a Colt reproduction is to be very careful with the wedge (lock). Start pounding it into the gun to hard or too far and you will stretch out the slot in the cylinder pin. Too much pressure at this point of the pistol will also add stress to the internal action of the gun. It only needs to go in far enough to work, less is more kind of thing. Mostly you learn this stuff from experience.

[towerclimber37]

I'll give you some advice, brother.
Don't buy one. How does that work for you?
I have an older '51 at the house you can use. I just picked up a new '61.

XD, I'd like to go to the show, but there ain't one here in Norfolk... Have fun!

I will SO take you up on your offer!

I just got Julie a great present..a keltec p32. a .32 pocket pistol that will be perfect for her to carry when she works! I've been worried for a time about her working and carrying that .22 mag derringer. this should alleviate that.

I also had a chance to shoot a keltec sub2000. I was skeptical about it until I shot it. out to 25 yards it shoots great! I was on an inside range so I couldn't get it out any farther than that...but you were looking for a trunk monkey, I'd say this one is IT! it comes in euro weeny and .40 cal. I shot the .40 cal and was fairly well impressed!

[xd shooter]

Mark I alos would love to take you up on that, but we are way to far apart for a get together. do you know anyone in the nash area or south of nash that would not mind lettong someone try one out?

[Mark@Sea]

Sorry, XD, I don't get out that way.