Sheriff Charges $10 to "Approve" C&R Application!?!

[I_Like_Pie]

I am applying for my C&R to get the Midwayusa discount. What can I say...bullets are expensive these days. Sent the BATF and the local Hamilton County Sheriff (Chattanooga) the forms on Monday.

Got the mail today and the Sheriff sent me a nice letter saying that they will not approve my application until I send them $10 to cover the background check and processing fee. I REALLY want to tell them how stupid I think they are, but at the same time diplomatically let them know that I am not "applying" to them at all...just letting them know I am gonna get a C&R FFL. They literally have to take no action as the BATF will be running all the checks that are needed. It even says so in the form I sent them.

Has anyone else run into this? I know it really isn't much to complain about, but I think they are incorrectly treating Type 3 and Type 1 FFL applications the same.

I guess the question is...should I just shut up and pay them or call the BATF to see what they say. What would you folks do?

[crimsonaudio]

Hrm, I might be ignorant (no comments, please) but this sounds unnecessary and illegal...

[bkelm18]

Don't pay them as they are not the ones conducting the background checks, the ATF is. I'd say just completely ignore them and you'll get the license anyway. All you had to do was inform them. They are informed. They don't have to approve squat. The ATF will do the rest.

[slothful1]

I guess the question is...should I just shut up and pay them or call the BATF to see what they say. What would you folks do?

Um... neither one? Sounds like you fulfilled your obligations already. Go on about your business.

[bkelm18]

Um... neither one? Sounds like you fulfilled your obligations already. Go on about your business.

I agree. You have informed your CLEO. Obligation fulfilled. Carry on.

[I_Like_Pie]

The thing is they sent the green form back to me as well. Am willing to bet they did nothing but put them back in a letter and send them back...Thus no record of me ever sending them at all. I agree that I will be fine, but I am thinking CYA here. In everyone's opinion should I send it back to them certified mail and keep the receipt?

Oh yeah...here is the letter...click it to make bigger. I know that $10 is nothing, but it just ruffles my feathers a bit. Heck...I could buy a gallon of diesel and a pack of gum for that.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee169/matthew_craigge/Sheriff.jpg

[DMark]

This is why I went to my CLEO in person.

You have to explain to him that he is not conducting the background check (ATF will do that). He is only being informed and his signature knowledges that you are applying. That is all the ATF needs (or wants).

Later you will provide him a file copy of your 03 FFL.

[I_Like_Pie]

This is why I went to my CLEO in person.

That is another funny thing...I did. My office is literally across the street from the sheriff's office...I could throw a marble on their roof from our outdoor lunch room.

They smiled, took the application, and mailed it right back to me. Will get some general consensus for a day or so before I give them another visit.

[bkelm18]

Is there something the CLEO has to sign and mail to the ATF? I did not think there was. All you had to do was inform him and that was that. In either event, if you choose to, talk to the Sheriff and the ATF. But I'm guessing you can just ignore the Sheriff and you'll get the license anyway.

[et45]

Maybe they are trying to raise the money for Billy Long's lawyer bill.Jerry Summers don't work cheap.:D

[utarch00]

Is there something the CLEO has to sign and mail to the ATF? I did not think there was. All you had to do was inform him and that was that. In either event, if you choose to, talk to the Sheriff and the ATF. But I'm guessing you can just ignore the Sheriff and you'll get the license anyway.

This was my understanding also. IMHO, you have done what you need to. Send your stuff onto the ATF and wait for you C&R to come back in a couple of weeks.

[bkelm18]

When I sent mine in, the two copies I'm pretty sure were exactly identical, except one said Send to CLEO and the other said Send to ATF.

[Spuds]

Ya can't go wrong with Billy Long.

My guess is the Sheriff's office is in disarray with Long in the pokey.

As others stated, you have done your duty with the notification, that is all that is required.

The letter they sent you is all the proof you need that they were notified, isn't it? Sleep well.

BTW, I'm at 540 McCallie.

[price g]

Maybe they are trying to raise the money for Billy Long's lawyer bill.Jerry Summers don't work cheap.:D

This is the correct answer

[mw.]

I would say the ATF is somebody you don't want to mess with and make sure you have all of your i's dotted and t's crossed. Explain to the sheriff the situation and see where it goes from there. $10 may seem cheap if you have any trouble later on.

[bkelm18]

I would say the ATF is somebody you don't want to mess with and make sure you have all of your i's dotted and t's crossed. Explain to the sheriff the situation and see where it goes from there. $10 may seem cheap if you have any trouble later on.

There will be no trouble. The application will get approved because the requirements for notification are satisfied and the Sherriff has no right to do what he is doing. And if for whatever reason the ATF feels they should deny it, they'll just deny it, end of story. No criminal inquisition, no black helicopters at 2am, no federal agents busting down your door. Just a simple letter saying "Sorry, you're denied. Here's your $30 back". Forgetting to cross a T or dot an I on an 03 FFL application is not a crime and the person processing it will probably think you're dumb but will approve it anyway.

[mw.]

There will be no trouble. The application will get approved because the requirements for notification are satisfied and the Sherriff has no right to do what he is doing. And if for whatever reason the ATF feels they should deny it, they'll just deny it, end of story. No criminal inquisition, no black helicopters at 2am, no federal agents busting down your door. Just a simple letter saying "Sorry, you're denied. Here's your $30 back". Forgetting to cross a T or dot an I on an 03 FFL application is not a crime and the person processing it will probably think you're dumb but will approve it anyway.
Short term, yes it will probably get approved. The sheriff shouldn't require this, but my guess is the sheriff would say that the application was never properly recieved.

Not sure about your helicopters and doors deal.

[utarch00]

Short term, yes it will probably get approved. The sheriff shouldn't require this, but my guess is the sheriff would say that the application was never properly recieved.

Not sure about your helicopters and doors deal.

But all the OP would have to do is show the form with the letter the Sheriff sent as proof the Sheriff was notified.

[bkelm18]

Short term, yes it will probably get approved. The sheriff shouldn't require this, but my guess is the sheriff would say that the application was never properly recieved.

Not sure about your helicopters and doors deal.

The Sheriff can say whatever he wants. If the ATF approves it, thats the end of the story and the Sheriff can't do a thing about it except cry to the ATF who will then tell him that what he's doing isn't right. He has no say in whether the FFL gets approved or not.

[I_Like_Pie]

I sent the information back to the Sheriff telling them that they don't have to do anything at all, it doesn't matter if it is approved or not, and if they have any questions they should address them to the BATF.

I have called the BATF in Atlanta and they agreed that the Sheriff is in the wrong. We will see how they reply to the letter...which I am pretty sure that they will.

[bkelm18]

I sent the information back to the Sheriff telling them that they don't have to do anything at all, it doesn't matter if it is approved or not, and if they have any questions they should address them to the BATF.

I have called the BATF in Atlanta and they agreed that the Sheriff is in the wrong. We will see how they reply to the letter...which I am pretty sure that they will.

Good job! Pretty sure the safest bet was to call the BATFE and ask.

[Major Pain]

CYA is always a good idea.------MP ;)

[DaveTN]

I have called the BATF in Atlanta and they agreed that the Sheriff is in the wrong.
And they are the only ones that matter. :D

[70below]

It will be quite amusing if the sheriff demands his $10....lol. Maybe it goes to Boss Hog. Cost alot to keep those white suits clean.

[I_Like_Pie]

Well I got the C&R License today!!!! Only took 13 days.

No surprise that I did not hear anything else back from the Sheriff's office. Lets hope that is the case going forward.

Now to send out a bunch of envelopes.

[saintsfanbrian]

Forget sending them. Scan and email/fax them.

[mw.]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=252960

[I_Like_Pie]

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=252960


Thank you for sharing that link! Me thinks I will be getting a lot of junk mail soon.

[Sheepdog]

Chiming in late, but this happened to me also. I've had my C&R a little over a year.

I simply took the Sheriff's letter, along with all the ATF paperwork he returned to me, and filed it with my original C&R license.

If ATF comes knocking, I have proof that I followed their instructions exactly. The Sheriff's office was notified. What they choose to do about/with that notification is their business.

[cadillacdude1975]

lol more corruption at the sheriffs office. what a freakin surprise.

[mikedwood]

Dang he really wants his $10.00. I can't decide. Is that funny, scary or just plain sad.

[Grout]

Don't worry Hamilton Co. will have a new Sheriff in August.

[Spuds]

That list on the high road includes Florida Gun Works? Major rip-off outfit, to be avoided at all costs.

Here's a different list and formatted for Avery labels also:
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinLinksII.htm

[et45]

Don't worry Hamilton Co. will have a new Sheriff in August.
Jim Hammond shook my hand at a gun show years ago and told me he was the Pro Gun candidate for Sheriff.:rolleyes: