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Joined: Jul 2008
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Need some trust help
Hello all,
New to the forum and have an NFA question. Ill preface this by saying though i fell very comfortable with firearms law some of the civil issues associated with trusts boggle me. If I want to set up a trust and have my friend included as a trustee, can that be done? I have Quicken Willmaker but it does not allow me to add a trustee outside of my wife. I greatly appreciate the help. |
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Joined: Aug 2007
Where: Paducah, KY
Age: 31
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I used Quicken Willmaker Plus, as well, to create my document.
In Part 7, Trustees, Section A, Original Trustees of the Declaration of Trust, it should list both you and your wife as trustees. Specifically stating: "... and ... are the trustees of this trust. Either alone may act for or represent the trust in any transaction." --- When I had my finished document, I exported it to Word and then tweaked it how I saw fit. But the program should automatically create the above line on it's own. You can edit and add your friend in there as well, after you export it.
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Joined: Aug 2007
Where: Paducah, KY
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I'm of course not a lawyer, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. ![]() When I asked my attorney about the specifics, and whether or not I had to register my Trust in my state (KY), he pretty much said what I told you above.
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:: United States Air Force :: 2W051 :: 2002-2008 :: [ GLOCK 23 .40S&W :: 3rd Gen :: Improved Anti-Glock-Butt Feature ] "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again." - Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the United States Last edited by Verbal Kint; 07-09-2008 at 07:27 PM.. |
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Joined: Jan 2007
Where: London,Ky
Age: 41
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now that your question is answered, welcome to the forum!
thanks for doing your job!
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Joined: Aug 2007
Where: Paducah, KY
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Although seeking an attorney is always sound advice, it's definitely not needed for a Legal Trust for an NFA item.
You can easily do that in the WillMaker program, on your own. I see what you're saying in regards to setting up a trust for all of your belongings (something important and worth doing, for sure), but that doesn't make too much sense if you're primarily using it for the SBR weapon... especially when you can have more than one Trust. That's why I specifically created mine as "John Doe's NFA Trust" and engraved the lower receiver with the same info. The only items in that legal document are the lower receivers. Legal cost = $0.00 My other worldly possessions will go in a separate Trust, which will be created by my attorney and I.
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:: United States Air Force :: 2W051 :: 2002-2008 :: [ GLOCK 23 .40S&W :: 3rd Gen :: Improved Anti-Glock-Butt Feature ] "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction. It is not ours by inheritance; it must be fought for and defended constantly by each generation, for it comes only once to a people. Those who have known freedom and then lost it have never known it again." - Ronald Wilson Reagan, 40th President of the United States |
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Joined: May 2008
Where: Trash-Can-Istan, OCONUS
Age: 36
Posts: 614
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NFA Trusts
Today, I purchased a YHM suppressor for my SBR AR. I plan to go with a trust for this NFA item, but I have a few questions.
Is there an advantage to establishing a trust in both (me and my spouses) names? Is there a limit to the beneficiaries that can be named within the trust? For now I plan to include my son and brother (and any other good friends )I submited the required documents/prints/LEO signature for my SBR. Can I add my SBR to my trust when my suppressor is approved? Does the ATF have to be notified if my SBR is added to the trust? I bought the Quicken Willmaker 2009 and I'm using http://www.86th.org/?id=nfa-trust#Form5330.20-3 as a guide. There are some subtle changes, but is very to navigate and understand.
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Joined: Jul 2008
Where: Nashville
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The advantage of having both you and your wife as trustees is that both of you can have possession of the NFA items. I am not sure about the number of beneficiaries you can have. Also, I believe only trustees can possess the NFA items.
Be advised that moving your previously registered SBR into your trust will require filing another Form 4 and paying another $200.
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