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			<title>No longer listed in communist appeal and neither is my dad.</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:26:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>This is strange. My dad and I used to be listed in the communist appeal as having permits. I just went back there to check and I cant find us...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This is strange. My dad and I used to be listed in the communist appeal as having permits. I just went back there to check and I cant find us anywhere. Neither of us have gotten letters saying our permits were revoked or anything so. I wonder what the issue could be.</div>

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			<title>Question for you all</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 16:22:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Ok guys and gals, 
I have a question for you on the CC laws of TN.  Besides the license cost and registration are TN residents required to attend a...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Ok guys and gals,<br />
I have a question for you on the <acronym title="Concealed Carry">CC</acronym> laws of TN.  Besides the license cost and registration are TN residents required to attend a course?  The reason I ask is that I have heard different stories on whether you have to attend a class.  Now I am new to the whole <acronym title="Concealed Carry">CC</acronym> club and not actually a member yet but plan on getting a handgun here in the next two weeks.  Now if the class is required what is the general cost considering I have heard anywhere from 50-200 bucks.  One last question is how long is the course if it is required?<br />
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			<title>What is your favorite caliber for everyday carry?</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:46:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I carry 40 cal daily,</description>
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			<title>Wally Walk is complete.</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 00:10:38 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Went to liquor store, picked up a bottle of wine, traveled though biglots and off to wally world. 
  
Been to wally world, no problems.  picked up...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Went to liquor store, picked up a bottle of wine, traveled though biglots and off to wally world.<br />
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Been to wally world, no problems.  picked up several things including my big game tag for deer season.<br />
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We had already been to 2 of the 3 peoples before my wife noticed I was carrying.  She found out by putting her hand on my leg and I said careful.  She said are you carrying?  I said yes and from now on just assume I am.<br />
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I have carried 2 days in row.</div>

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			<title>Finally kept a promise I made to my girls a while ago</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:20:32 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I had been promising my 3 daughters (16, 14, 11) a trip to the range to teach them to shoot and I finally followed through.  They had a ball with the...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I had been promising my 3 daughters (16, 14, 11) a trip to the range to teach them to shoot and I finally followed through.  They had a ball with the Beretta Neos we  rented but the need to work their way up to the bigger calibers.  The two oldest shot one of my 9mm pistols once and quickly decided it was too much.  My 11yo said it scared her but she still took about 5 more shots.  The kid has heart.<br />
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All of these pics are taken with my camera phone on my HTC hero so the quality isn't great but it'll do.<br />
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Addison(11) with the 9mm<br />
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Aloi(16) primping for a date<br />
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Anais(14) with a perfect stance</div>

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			<title>Unholstering your weapon</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:50:23 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I read a lot on forums about people saying you should never unholster your weapon unless you plan to use it, I have seen this statement over and over...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I read a lot on forums about people saying you should never unholster your weapon unless you plan to use it, I have seen this statement over and over and may not understand the thought processes behind the statements. <br />
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My weapon is pulled from the holster at least 10 times/day for bathroom duty, eating (GF says gun butt eats up her chairs), to the shower, going to the hospital ( i have a safe chained inside both vehicles for unusual circumstances) and to bed. I have carried daily a 1911 style pistol almost 50 years without an ND The benefits are: The muscle memory is developed on a daily basis and when you need it, it just jumps into your hand (just like your car keys) without thought leaving your mind free to make better determinations. <br />
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Case in point: Took wife out to dinner. When we returned to the car, someone started running toward the car from the left side of the building, his right hand was in his pocket and the left hand extended toward the door handle, my weapon was in my hand without thought (muscle memory). So IMHO, handle your weapon daily.bye the way, the fellow decides at the last minute that he had something else to do</div>

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			<title>First post. Looking for an indoor range that rents handguns to try out.Im in Maury Co</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:50:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I just have to say what a great site this is. Thanks. Keep one in the pipe.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I just have to say what a great site this is. Thanks. Keep one in the pipe.</div>

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			<title>Tomorrow is the day.  First planned outing carrying</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:43:20 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Tomorrow is going to be the first day I really go out carrying. 
  
I have a good day planned. 
  
I know this is not what most of you want to hear...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Tomorrow is going to be the first day I really go out carrying.<br />
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I have a good day planned.<br />
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I know this is not what most of you want to hear but I will be <acronym title="Open Carry">OC</acronym> tomorrow.<br />
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I will be returning Dad's .22 Ruger I used for my <acronym title="Handgun Carry Permit">HCP</acronym> class and it is just a bit 2 big to <acronym title="Concealed Carry">CC</acronym>.  I am going to wear a long shirt that can almost cover it.<br />
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Going take a nice drive up to the TN/KY border area.  Take the 4 wheeler out and ride some.  Might do a little scouting for deer season.  At least going to ride in the area I plan to hunt.<br />
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We are going to get some shooting in around Dad's place and let her get the feel for pistols a bit more.<br />
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BTW, it looks like we might have to make a couple Wally walks during this trip.  She forgot to pick up some safety glasses that I told her to all week.  I know the eye center has some safety rated glasses.<br />
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I am going to be loaded with a second mag loaded.<br />
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Going to be picking up another pistol for my wife to practice with as she is wanting to take her <acronym title="Handgun Carry Permit">HCP</acronym> when she gets more familiar with guns.  I am doing my part, which includes not forcing and pushing her.  My part is answering any questions she has, if I don't know getting her the answer.  If and when she wants to go shoot, to take her and not to rush her into it.</div>

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			<title>ASP baton legality</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 20:29:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I got a buddy who's looking into an ASP baton for personal carry. I need to know the legality of this for a civilian, as I was pretty sure he had to...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I got a buddy who's looking into an ASP baton for personal carry. I need to know the legality of this for a civilian, as I was pretty sure he had to go through some kind of certification course.</div>

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			<title>My experience in Sevierville</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:53:01 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Was in sevierville, got pulled over in a 45, 12 feet from a 55, and was given a ticket for doing 57 in a 35. While i was speeding, the cop could not...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Was in sevierville, got pulled over in a 45, 12 feet from a 55, and was given a ticket for doing 57 in a 35. While i was speeding, the cop could not have possible clocked me in the 35 he claims to have unless radar guns shoot around curves now. but that is a different issue. When he comes up he ask &quot;where is your gun&quot; funny thing there is 4 in the car. i give him my two ids, insurance and registration. and I say &quot;oh by the way I just updated the address on those online last week&quot; officer (confused look ) ok what is that address.<br />
( for the record while it may/may not be visible in text i was very respectful in my responses)<br />
here is where the problem is. he states &quot;um there is a problem with your <acronym title="Handgun Carry Permit">hcp</acronym>&quot; <br />
me: ok (looking really confused).<br />
officer: Your picture ids dont match. you are clearly skinnier in your drivers licens picture and have more hair. <br />
me: yes i was in highschool then. ( i am 21 now)<br />
Officer: well they need to be the same you see.<br />
Me: ok When i was at the DMV they told me it didnt matter and i didnt need a new pic.<br />
Officer: Well I would get new ones made. Also we had quite the conversation in the car. i asked about the address, and my sarge didn't know. Another officer piped in and said that he thinks you only have to do it online. <br />
Me: I checked online and according to the state all i needed to do was notify online.<br />
Officer: well i would check on that and get it changed anyways. I dont want to tell you to do something that isnt the law. <br />
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			<title>EDC Beretta 92</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:13:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[So I decided to carry my Beretta 92F this summer. I usually carry an old Taurus Milenium. I've gotta say I'm surprised at how easily I am able to...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>So I decided to carry my Beretta 92F this summer. I usually carry an old Taurus Milenium. I've gotta say I'm surprised at how easily I am able to conceal such a beast of a gun with my regular summer attire. I've carried it in the winter quite a bit but didn't think I could go unnoticed with the Beretta on. <br />
I'm using a home made <acronym title="Inside The Waistband">IWB</acronym> leather contraption I made. (Pics for those interested) It won't win any beauty contests but It's really comfortable and after carrying for all these years I don't hardly notice the weight increase. I'm 6' 210lbs(and shrinking). I usually wear loose T-shirts and shorts. I'm thinking I may retire the Taurus. <br />
Does anyone else carry such a monster sized gun? <br />
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			<title>HCP Wait Time For 2</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:35:50 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[The wife and I took our HCP test at G&L (Mark was great) on Sat. Aug 7th. We both went to the DMV Mon. Aug 9th. Then on the same day (Aug 9th) we...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The wife and I took our <acronym title="Handgun Carry Permit">HCP</acronym> test at G&amp;L (Mark was great) on Sat. Aug 7th. We both went to the DMV Mon. Aug 9th. Then on the same day (Aug 9th) we went back to G&amp;L for our fingerprinting. On Aug 24th my wife received her <acronym title="Handgun Carry Permit">HCP</acronym> in the mail. My permit arrived on Sep 1st. Why there is a 8 day difference, eludes me???</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Hooter's in the 'Boro]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 02:03:59 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Okay, first off...  
 
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</div> Okay, I went to Hooter's last night in the 'Boro. And, as always, when I walked in, I was carrying, and the girls in modest clothing held the secondary set of doors open for me.  IDK, if this makes sense, but there was the set of &quot;Front Doors&quot; a little foyer like breezeway, and then the Secondary Set of doors.  We sat down, killed some hot wings, and then went out on the front porch to talk.  I noticed a Gunbuster sign on the Second Set of doors.  It was just the sign, no verbage, no nothing.  I also noticed a Gunbuster sign, with verbage, inside both sets of doors, on a post at the bar.  <br />
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My question: <br />
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Legal posting or No? <br />
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Honestly, I don't think it is, because you are already inside the building when it is posted, and if they are holding the doors for you, it isn't plainly visible.  And the posting inside the business is INSIDE and you're already inside when they attempt to prohibit.  <br />
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I posted the TCA above, for this question:  Does a Gunbuster sign have to have verbage with it, to be properly posted.  I read the TCA, again, for the umpteenth time, and it says,<br />
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			I<font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3">n addition to the sign, notice may  also include the international circle and slash symbolizing the  prohibition of the item within the circle. The sign shall be of a size  that is plainly visible to the average person entering the building,  premises or property <font size="4"><i><u><b>and</b></u></i></font> shall contain language substantially similar to  the following: (verbage requirements)</font></font>
			
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</div> To me, it seems it needs both.  What do you guys think? <br />
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Thanks, <br />
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Drew.</div>

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