Tennessee Gun Owners - TGO Forum Support http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/ This is the place to ask questions and get answers about issues with the TGO web site and forum. en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:22:06 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/images/tgo/misc/rss.jpg Tennessee Gun Owners - TGO Forum Support http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/ Server Unavailable Last Night (11/17/09) http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30519-server-unavailable-last-night-11-17-09-a.html Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:55:50 GMT I am investigating why this happened. At present I have no information to give. I am investigating why this happened. At present I have no information to give. ]]> TGO Forum Support TGO David http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30519-server-unavailable-last-night-11-17-09-a.html Minimum post count for avatars? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30406-minimum-post-count-avatars.html Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:41:19 GMT Is there a minimum post count for avatars to show up in post?

I posted an avatar but it doesn't show up on post. ]]> TGO Forum Support aquaman67 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30406-minimum-post-count-avatars.html Can we get a new rule for the trading post? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30272-can-we-get-new-rule-trading-post.html Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:01:59 GMT I know on AR15.Com they have a rule that you cannot bump a thread except every 72 hours. If someone has a question, then you answer it in the... I know on AR15.Com they have a rule that you cannot bump a thread except every 72 hours. If someone has a question, then you answer it in the original posting or through an instant message. This keeps other ads from being bumped to the bottom. If you do bump it somehow within that 72 hours, then the thread is locked initially for 72 hours, then if you do it again it gets deleted.

Can we do something like that here. It gets aggravating to see other postings keep getting bumped up and yours knocked down because of BS comments or answers within the thread.

Also the testing the waters, thinking about selling, etc. needs to stop. It's a mess in the trading forums and needs some tightening up of the rules...

Here are their rules:

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Equipment Exchange Rules

1. No more than TWO ads on page 1, and no more than FOUR ads within the first two pages.

2. No bold commands allowed in subject lines unless you're a paying Dealer/Industry Partner.

3. All ads should be placed in ONE appropriate forum.

4. All items MUST be priced!

5. You MUST have valid contact information to sell on AR15.com, and provide it to EE Staff on request.

6. You MUST have both your IM and e-mail turned on to sell here.

7. No auctions (or links to auction sites), unless specifically authorized by AR15.com. Accepting higher than stated prices for an item is considered 'taking bids' and is not allowed. If receiving a higher than advertised price is important to you, list your item on an auction site. Moreover, "Or Best Offer" is understood on the EE to mean best offer up to the listing price, not best offer above the listing price.

8. No links to other commercial sites except by AR15.com Dealers and Industry Partners.

9. WTB/WTT ads MUST be placed in the appropriate WTB/WTT forums ONLY. Posting them in the WTS forums may result in them being deleted instead of being moved. The ONLY exception is the NFA Firearms & Parts forum.

10. If you post more than EIGHT ads a month, think about becoming a team member and help support this site. This rule does not pertain to Dealers/Industry Partners.

11. Absolutely no stomping on other peoples' posts! Do not remark in any way that would negatively impact the sale of someone’s merchandise. This can result in your account being locked.

12. No posting of anything illegal.

13. Once your item is sold or traded, do NOT delete the original title, ad text, or asking price. Leaving the ad in place after a sale is protection for both the buyer and seller, and also acts as a price reference for others. Disregarding this rule may result in a suspension of your account. Edit the title and text of the ad to mark it "SOLD" or "TRADED". Do NOT post a new reply!



Rules #14-17 are specific to “BTT”, or bumping ads to the top of page 1:

14. Keep in mind Rule #1 above.

15. The seller CANNOT reply to their own ad within 72 hours of anyone's post (including their own) for any reason. The 72-hour countdown for the seller restarts with each new reply to the ad by ANYONE.

16. All changes/updates should be done with the edit feature to the original ad, not by adding another response.

17. Sellers -- If 72 hours have not passed since the last post by anyone, all questions should be addressed by IM, e-mail, or edit ONLY!

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18. Buyers -- STOP the trivial 'mail sent' nonsense. Simply send the seller an e-mail and/or IM. Also, STOP bumping ads with "Hey, free bump for a nice rifle.", "Free bump for a nice guy", "Hey, great rifle. I wish I had the money", etc. All small talk should be restricted to IM or e-mail. Do not post in an ad unless you are interested in the item(s) for sale.

19. Don’t use a secondary "shill" account to ask a phony question or post any other messages, thus BTTing your own ad. This will result in BOTH accounts being locked!

20. Sellers -- Don’t rewrite an ad again in order to get it back on page 1.

21. Sellers -- Do not post items for sale that you do not have in your possession. Also, do not list items for sale unless you are 100% positive that you wish to sell them -- no "testing the waters" to gauge buyer interest or taking pre-orders.

If you break any of these rules, your ad may be removed or locked WITHOUT any notice!

Most importantly:

These for sale forums operate on honesty and integrity. If you cannot handle deals in an appropriate manner, don't post here! If you break our trust, it will be noted in our feedback forum -- selling rights may be removed and/or your account here will be subject to termination.

All items listed for sale must be described in an honest fashion! Do not attempt to represent replica (AirSoft, etc.) parts/products or cheap knockoffs as if they were Name Brand/OEM equipment! Do not knowingly sell defective products without acknowledging the defect. You must handle your transactions in a timely fashion. If you can't, don't buy it or sell it. And lastly, please maintain a reasonable level of civility. If a problem arises, don't immediately fly off the handle with threats & insults.
Just some ideas on how to clean up the trading post. ]]> TGO Forum Support TPS -TNRobocop http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30272-can-we-get-new-rule-trading-post.html Register for a discount http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30100-register-discount.html Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:17:32 GMT Missouri bullet offers a discount for clubs and I like using their bullets. Could someone register TGO. I dont know how much their discount is but... Missouri bullet offers a discount for clubs and I like using their bullets. Could someone register TGO. I dont know how much their discount is but every little bit helps. Thanks

Missouri Bullet Company ]]> TGO Forum Support http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30100-register-discount.html why was my thread locked. ^^^ rules http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30070-why-my-thread-locked-rules.html Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:04:31 GMT reading the rules above i did nothing wrong. ... reading the rules above i did nothing wrong.

http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tr...tml#post358826 ]]> TGO Forum Support tonye http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/30070-why-my-thread-locked-rules.html Changing my user name? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29953-changing-my-user-name.html Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:02:15 GMT I would like to change my user name, Is this possible? If so how do I do it? I would like to change my user name, Is this possible? If so how do I do it? ]]> TGO Forum Support Liberty357 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29953-changing-my-user-name.html <![CDATA[Pertinent post don't post]]> http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29903-pertinent-post-dont-post.html Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:59:13 GMT I thought it was of interest to TGO members, but it doesn't go through. Do you have to be a Benefactor to post good stuff?

Gold and a .45

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- There is an old and apocryphal saying that "a good handgun is worth an ounce of gold" and it turns out to be true -- at least it has for the past 136 years.
Because it is basically unchanged after 136 years of continuous production and because there is a healthy, liquid market for it, a good example of this case can be made by tracing the price of "The Gun that Won the West," the Colt Single-action Army revolver. The venerable Peacemaker turns out to be a better gauge of inflation than gold is and a better investment. President Ronald Reagan even named a missile after it.
The correlation of gold and guns can be traced back at least to 1873 when Colt's Manufacturing Company of Hartford, Conn., introduced the most technologically advanced handgun of its time, a six-shot revolver that used metallic cartridges. The Army adopted it as its standard side arm, a position it held until 1892. The innovation of metallic cartridges made it easier to reload in a hurry. Reloading had always been an issue because it was slow, unwieldy and required some expertise. Now anybody could do it.



In 1873 the Colt SAA sold for $17.50. The complete kit with a holster and some ammunition could be covered by a $20 gold piece. The $20 Double Eagle of 1873 contained 0.9675 ounces of pure gold. Today an ounce of gold is about $1,090 and a new Colt SAA can be special ordered from Colt's custom shop for about $1,500.
As a collector's item the Colt fares even better. A recent check of Collectorsfirearms.com found scores of listings at a wide variety of prices from $1,699 at the bottom to $175,000 asked for a Colt "Pinch Frame" called "the Holy Grail of single action collecting." This gun carries the serial number 58. So your $20 gold piece spent on this gun in 1873 would have returned 874900%.
Gold Double Eagle $20 coins from that year can be found on line for $1500 to $5000 depending on condition about the same price as Colt SAA's of similar age and condition.
Gold's price is fixed

Gold was in the midst of one of its many upheavals when the Peacemaker arrived. In 1873, Congress put the United States on the gold standard with the Fourth Coinage Act, which de-monetized silver and made gold the only metal by which to fix currency. President Grant signed it into law in February of that year. Gold was set at $20.67 an ounce where it stayed until 1934 when President Franklin Roosevelt devalued the dollar to 1/35 of an ounce of gold. During this period gold lagged behind the handgun.
The handgun/gold equation was introduced to me by Bob Taber in 1987 when he and I worked at The New York Post and an ounce of gold was worth about $370 and a Colt SAA had jumped to $763.
Bob did not specify a Colt Single Action Army. He merely said, "A damned good handgun is worth an ounce of gold. That's always been true."
Bob was a night-side copy reader at The New York Post and a fantastic character and a holdover from the days when The Post was considered a leftwing newspaper. He'd had a journalistic career that included following Fidel Castro and Che Guevara in the Cuban revolution from the mountains to Havana as a special correspondent for CBS television. He also wrote a book on guerrilla warfare, "The War of the Flea" that is still read by the military and intelligence services.
There is film of Bob interviewing Castro after the fall of Batista in 1959 that can be seen in the documentary "David Halberstam's the 50s". In it Bob holds a microphone and sports a beard even bigger than Castro's.
He had survivalist mentality, a guerrilla fighter's point of view. I generally believed what he said on matters dealing with firearms. More than 20 years later I put his statement to the test.
For the most part, it's still true. It does depend on the gun and what you consider to be "good." A Glock similar to the one Plaxico Burress was carrying when he accidentally shot himself in the thigh at a nightclub, can be found on line for a little over $500 and the gun that made Dirty Harry's day, the long-barreled .44 magnum Smith & Wesson 629, sells for about $825. The other gold-standard pistol, also made by Colt's, is the .45- cal. Colt Automatic Pistol. The Army bought about 2.7 million of these from 1911 to 1985 when it was replaced by the Italian-made Beretta 9-mm which can be bought for about $750.
The Colt .45 ACP could be called the standard now and it hits the price of an ounce of gold pretty close to the bull's eye if you go for a top of the line model, but don't go too crazy. A Web site sells the stainless steel Colt 1911 Gold Cup Trophy 45 for $1050 /quotes/comstock/13*!gld/quotes/nls/gld (GLD 106.85, -0.25, -0.23%) .
Gold and politics

Gold, despite its longevity as a trustworthy container of value, has proven more readily manipulated by the government than handgun prices. Congress was in inflation-fighting mode in 1873 when it voted to cease using silver to back paper money and established gold as the sole criteria. This act created a controversy that lasted for decades between those who were pro-inflation and those who were against it.
Silver had its own fanatical backers and they were for a bi-metallic standard that favored easy money. Farmers liked inflation because it raised the price of crops and lowered the cost of debt. Laborers and factory workers also wanted inflation to make it easier to pay off debts. Silver was favored by politicians from states producing silver and by many Democrats, and Southerners. The issue was embodied by William Jennings Bryan, who ran for president and lost on the Democratic ticket in 1896, 1900 and 1908. His acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention of 1896 ended with the famous, "You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold!"
The gold believers, sound money advocates, won the day. This victory kept the price of gold artificially low as evidenced by the 1956 price for the Colt Equalizer of about $125 when gold was still set at $35.
The victorious pro-gold standard bearers held sway until 1971 when President Richard Nixon took the U.S. off the gold standard altogether. He was concerned, among other things, that foreign governments held more U.S. currency than the $10.5 billion in gold the Treasury had on hand. A run on the bank was not out of the question. From then until now the dollar would float against other currencies on the open market.
The inflation that followed these policies would have done Williams Jennings Bryan proud -- from 4% in 1971 to 11% in 1973. And Nixon was a Republican!
Gold was traded freely again and rose quickly. But the Colt stayed ahead where it remains to this day. By 1980, gold had topped $600 an ounce as inflation headed to 14%. Today the standard, blued single-action Army six-shooter goes for $1290, or $1490 for the nickel-plated version. Can gold be far behind? ]]> TGO Forum Support jackdm3 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29903-pertinent-post-dont-post.html PM sent messages not working? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29787-pm-sent-messages-not-working.html Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:05:34 GMT My sent messages has never worked, will someome please look at it? Thanks!!! COOP My sent messages has never worked, will someome please look at it? Thanks!!! COOP ]]> TGO Forum Support THE COOP http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29787-pm-sent-messages-not-working.html Forum Layout Changes http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29770-forum-layout-changes.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:23:37 GMT Nevermind.... Big Halloween message distorting things. Nevermind....

Big Halloween message distorting things. ]]> TGO Forum Support Garufa http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29770-forum-layout-changes.html <![CDATA[Sticky for "Ammo Report"]]> http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29758-sticky-ammo-report.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:48:42 GMT Cool Springs>ammo>yes/no(price) This might be cumbersome to...]]> Would there be a way to post available ammo at various locations around TN. ie. Walmart>Cool Springs>ammo>yes/no(price)
This might be cumbersome to set up and maintain, however, it would probably stop most people from calling all the stores everyday. Which from a productivity angle, management of those stores would probably like to see the number of phone calls drop.

Well, how does TGO benefit from this effort. If a system was in place, ie everyone who fields a call at the numerous locations, would then tell callers about this site and that the inventories are updated frequently. Call volume should lessen, and TGO traffice rises.

Just my rambling on. Hope I can help in the future. :koolaid: ]]> TGO Forum Support Johnny_Utah http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29758-sticky-ammo-report.html Please do not use PM to TGO Staffers for support issues. http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29748-please-do-not-use-pm-tennessee-gun-owners-staffers-support-issues.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:59:32 GMT Folks, In my signature you will notice a line asking that you please do not use private messaging (PM) to contact me for support issues. I ask... Folks,

In my signature you will notice a line asking that you please do not use private messaging (PM) to contact me for support issues. I ask that you instead post your questions here in the Support forum.

The reason for this is because I, along with many on the TGO Staff, have private message boxes that border on overflowing all the time. Often support questions get lost in the mix and don't get answered as a result. It's not that we don't want to help... it's just the fact that there is only so much that we can stay on top of. Also, when you post a support question in this forum, everyone else gets to benefit from the answers given. Plus, you may find that one of your fellow TGO members will answer it before we even get a chance to.

Of course there are times when using a PM is simply the more appropriate thing to do. When that is the case, by all means send me or a moderator a PM. Common sense will dictate when you should and when you shouldn't.


Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. :) ]]> TGO Forum Support TGO David http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29748-please-do-not-use-pm-tennessee-gun-owners-staffers-support-issues.html TGO service directory?? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29731-tennessee-gun-owners-service-directory.html Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:19:51 GMT I was curious if a TGO service directory was possible/of interest? It seems like there are frequent postings with members looking for help or... I was curious if a TGO service directory was possible/of interest? It seems like there are frequent postings with members looking for help or advice in certain areas or trades.

Perhaps we could have a directory that would allow individuals to list their skills set or training and are willing to help out other members of the site. Nothing of course where they could post large ads or business entries that would interfere with TGO vendors, but just able to help out or give a little advise on the leaky sink, or overheating engine.

Think it would be of use? ]]> TGO Forum Support 70below http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29731-tennessee-gun-owners-service-directory.html <![CDATA[Can't post pics and formatting is gone?]]> http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29542-cant-post-pics-formatting-gone.html Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:46:55 GMT I just posted a rifle for sale. When I tried to insert a photo, the button would not work to put the url. When I posted the ad, all my paragraphs and... I just posted a rifle for sale. When I tried to insert a photo, the button would not work to put the url. When I posted the ad, all my paragraphs and formatting disappeared.

What has changed?
Thanks.
Mike ]]> TGO Forum Support Westwindmike http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29542-cant-post-pics-formatting-gone.html PM operational? http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29515-pm-operational.html Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:25:34 GMT I've sent two PM's, One to David concerning being Regional Coordinator for Chattanooga, and one about buying ammo. Neither of these show up in my sent folder in the PM area. I seem to recall it has worked before, even with my low post count (if that has anything to with it?)

Just curious if they are going out. ]]> TGO Forum Support avdoctor http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29515-pm-operational.html <![CDATA[Email notification of PM's]]> http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29407-email-notification-pms.html Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:46:39 GMT Anyone having issues with getting emails. I haven't gotten an email about thread subscriptions or PM's in a few days even tho I should be.

:confused:

David, is the mailq backed up? ]]> TGO Forum Support lowbud http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tgo-forum-support/29407-email-notification-pms.html