http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/ Discussion and friendly debate about Tennessee political and legislative issues. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Please read the forum announcements before participating. en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:49:39 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/images/misc/rss.png http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/ http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45744-lawsuit-against-restuarant-law.html Sun, 05 Sep 2010 00:58:43 GMT Did anyone else hear there was a lawsuit brought from a waiter claiming that it violated the osha law to provide them a safe work environment. If I... Did anyone else hear there was a lawsuit brought from a waiter claiming that it violated the osha law to provide them a safe work environment. If I was a lawyer I think my defense would be that the person could go to a restuarant that is willing to post the sign and then they would be safe. It is the responsibility of the restuarant to meet the osha codes not the state of tn. ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation loadedp3at http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45744-lawsuit-against-restuarant-law.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45398-fire-tenn-mosque-building-site-ruled-arson.html Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:39:22 GMT Murfreesboro area: Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson - CBS News... Murfreesboro area:

Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson - CBS News

- OS ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation OhShoot http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45398-fire-tenn-mosque-building-site-ruled-arson.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45225-between-rock-hard-place.html Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:56:05 GMT So, here is my issue. There is a guy from my church in East Ridge running for Mayor. He serves currently on the city council. He told me during... So, here is my issue. There is a guy from my church in East Ridge running for Mayor. He serves currently on the city council. He told me during the "guns in parks" debate that he planned on voting down the resolution to ban guns, but then did. He is having a campaign kick-off on Saturday at Wally's at 9am. Says come and ask questions. My questions are as follows,

1. "During the guns in parks debate you voted to ban guns and the city passed this resolution, others did not and crime has not gone up at all in those parks, but there was a dead body found in Camp Jordan park sometime after, why do you think it was a good idea to pass this resolution?"

2. "Would you, as Mayor work to changing that resolution to allow honest, law abiding citizens to protect our families in the park?"

3. "Which candidate will?"

Now, the issue. I know that he would answer the questions to the best of his political ability, but i also know that it will cause friction between myself and another member in my church. Knowing what he did in the city council meeting, I don't plan to vote for him, but he doesn't have to know how I vote. I may talk to him privately, however, I would like to hear him answer these questions in a public setting. Any suggestions? ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation archerdr1 http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45225-between-rock-hard-place.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45148-cars-private-property.html Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:07:14 GMT Here's is another angle why we need to pass a bill in Tennessee deeming our cars to be private property, whether for handgun storage at work (for permit holders) or simply to define the boundaries of our 4th Amendment.

The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS - Yahoo! News

The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS

• By ADAM COHEN Adam Cohen – 1 hr 40 mins ago
  

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Fourth [COLOR=#366388 !important]Amendment [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]rights[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.
That is the bizarre - and scary - rule that now applies in [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]California[/COLOR][/COLOR] and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants - with no need for a search warrant. (Read about one man's efforts to escape the surveillance state.)
It is a dangerous decision - one that, as the [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]dissenting [COLOR=#366388 !important]judges[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.
This case began in 2007, when [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Drug [COLOR=#366388 !important]Enforcement [/COLOR][COLOR=#366388 !important]Administration[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] (DEA) agents decided to monitor Juan Pineda-Moreno, an Oregon resident who they suspected was growing marijuana. They snuck onto his property in the middle of the night and found his Jeep in his driveway, a few feet from his trailer home. Then they attached a GPS tracking device to the vehicle's underside.
After Pineda-Moreno challenged the DEA's actions, a three-judge panel of the [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]Ninth [COLOR=#366388 !important]Circuit[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] ruled in January that it was all perfectly legal. More disturbingly, a larger group of judges on the circuit, who were subsequently asked to reconsider the ruling, decided this month to let it stand. (Pineda-Moreno has pleaded guilty conditionally to conspiracy to manufacture marijuana and manufacturing marijuana while appealing the denial of his motion to suppress evidence obtained with the help of GPS.)
In fact, the government violated Pineda-Moreno's privacy rights in two different ways. For starters, the invasion of his driveway was wrong. The courts have long held that people have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their homes and in the "curtilage," a fancy legal term for the area around the home. The government's intrusion on property just a few feet away was clearly in this zone of privacy.
The judges veered into offensiveness when they explained why Pineda-Moreno's driveway was not private. It was open to strangers, they said, such as delivery people and neighborhood children, who could wander across it uninvited. (See the misadventures of the CIA.)
Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night.
Judge Kozinski is a leading conservative, appointed by President Ronald Reagan, but in his dissent he came across as a raging liberal. "There's been much talk about diversity on the bench, but there's one kind of diversity that doesn't exist," he wrote. "No truly poor people are appointed as federal judges, or as state judges for that matter." The judges in the majority, he charged, were guilty of "cultural elitism."
The court went on to make a second terrible decision about privacy: that once a GPS device has been planted, the government is free to use it to track people without getting a warrant. There is a major battle under way in the federal and state courts over this issue, and the stakes are high. After all, if government agents can track people with secretly planted GPS devices virtually anytime they want, without having to go to a court for a warrant, we are one step closer to a classic police state - with technology taking on the role of the KGB or the East German Stasi.
Fortunately, other courts are coming to a different conclusion from the Ninth Circuit's - including the influential U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. That court ruled, also this month, that tracking for an extended period of time with GPS is an invasion of privacy that requires a warrant. The issue is likely to end up in the Supreme Court.
In these highly partisan times, [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]GPS [COLOR=#366388 !important]monitoring[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] is a subject that has both conservatives and liberals worried. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit's pro-privacy ruling was unanimous - decided by judges appointed by Presidents Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
Plenty of liberals have objected to this kind of spying, but it is the conservative Chief Judge Kozinski who has done so most passionately. "1984 may have come a bit later than predicted, but it's here at last," he lamented in his dissent. And invoking Orwell's totalitarian dystopia where privacy is essentially nonexistent, he warned: "Some day, soon, we may wake up and find we're living in Oceania."
Cohen, a lawyer, is a former TIME writer and a former member of the New York Times editorial board. ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation stovepipe http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45148-cars-private-property.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45145-latest-haslem-commercial.html Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:13 GMT I know I am old and slow, but why would Bill Haslam put 2 democrats, one of which is his opponent's father, as examples of great leadership in his latest TV ad; "For All Tennessee"?

TV Spots | Bill Haslam for Governor of Tennessee ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation Northface http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45145-latest-haslem-commercial.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45131-attempt-block-carry-into-restaurants-serving-alcohol-via-workplace-hazard.html Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:36:49 GMT Server: Guns In Restaurants A Workplace Hazard - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville (http://www.wsmv.com/news/24747613/detail.html) Seems a... Server: Guns In Restaurants A Workplace Hazard - Nashville News Story - WSMV Nashville

Seems a server feels "threatened" by the idea guns would be in his restaurant. (I didn't say "bar" as "bars" are not licensed and are illegal in our State...)

He is trying to use TOSHA (state equivalent of OSHA) to block the law.

(Side note: This is the first time I have seen Channel 4 news relate this as a Guns in Restaurants issue rather than the sensationalized "Guns in Bars" stuff the press here pushed while the law was being passed...) ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation HvyMtl http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45131-attempt-block-carry-into-restaurants-serving-alcohol-via-workplace-hazard.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45124-grassland-coach-canned-anti-obama-song-e-mail.html Wed, 25 Aug 2010 01:25:16 GMT The basics of the story, as I've been able to ascertain, thus far:

1. Asst. Coach Bryan Glover, age 26, wants to be a songwriter. He co-wrote a song (it's a banal major key modern country song in 4/4 time, so even though it kinda sucks, it could go top 10 if the right guy sang it) criticizing the current presidential adminstration. He then distributed it, via his personal e-mail from his personal computer, to a mailing list that included parents of players on his team. That mailing list was provided by the school.

2. He has in the past used that mailing list to advertise his personal training services, obviously for monetary gain.

Since the infamous e-mail, Glover has been fired, and a hornet's nest has been stirred up in a most righteous manner - the Williamson County School Board probably didn't see this one coming. Point #2 is important, since he'd already been allowed to use county resources, i.e. the mailing list, for personal gain. When he sent his song out, which contains a political message, he was fired. If messages for personal gain are okay regarding training, why not when he's trying to sell a song? I'm not all that bright, but I can only see one clear difference.

The story has since gone viral, at least on righty blogs such as hotair.com and aceofspades.mu.nu.

I don't think he should've been fired, when a reprimand would have served the same purpose - what do TGO members think?

Relevant links:

Fired for non-PC song (OneNewsNow.com)
Hot Air » New Tea Party theme song?
Ain't That America: Middle School Coach Gets Fired For Co-Writing Anti-Obama Song On His Own Damn Time

Caveats:
1. If you watch the Fox interview, it's obvious dude isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
2. I in no way endorse Ace's idea of equal opportunity fascism. I get it, but no.

That said, how is this guy without a job, while the "mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack Hussein Obama" teacher is okay? ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation StPatrick http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45124-grassland-coach-canned-anti-obama-song-e-mail.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45022-shoot-not-shoot-own-land.html Mon, 23 Aug 2010 03:09:36 GMT okay guys help me out. my brother in law seems to always know the answers regarding guns. please help me to be able to back up what I know in... okay guys help me out. my brother in law seems to always know the answers regarding guns. please help me to be able to back up what I know in writing. in Hamilton county in the country (birchwood) to my knowledge you can shoot on your private land. I've setup a few stands and go out and shoot. he tells me the only people that can are gunsmiths. he said one time he was shooting on his grandpa's land and the cops told him it was illegal. I personally know this is wrong but can't find what I can show him to support it in writing. this is Also coming from a guy that says semi auto shotguns are illegAl and open carrying is too. ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation MoonMan http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/45022-shoot-not-shoot-own-land.html http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/44347-your-next-governor.html Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:09:19 GMT I know their is another thread talking about this, but let's dedicated one to the next governor now that we know our two choices....

Haslam, McWherter, or Micky Mouse

and do I even wanna ask why? ]]> Tennessee Politics and Legislation uofmeet http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/tennessee-politics-legislation/44347-your-next-governor.html