Vague laws....... - Page 2

**Fallguy** · 11-03-2009, 03:33 PM

Guess not too many on here really ponder such things......

**dizzielizzie** · 11-03-2009, 07:43 PM

I am suprised the state didn't learn they could make a quick buck with the whole "posting" thing and sell special signs you have to purchase through the state...

**56FordGuy** · 11-03-2009, 07:45 PM

39-17-1359 is vague, for sure. I think it could be argued, under the current law, that the intent of any "No Guns" sign would be substantially similar to posting a sign as described.

Would there be any harm in requesting an attorney general's opinion on the matter? I understand that it doesn't change the law, but perhaps it could be clarified a little that way. It seems to me that there must be some reason no one has done that yet.

**Fallguy** · 11-03-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzielizzie

I am suprised the state didn't learn they could make a quick buck with the whole "posting" thing and sell special signs you have to purchase through the state...

LOL...true, but the one good thing about that would have been that there would be no doubt as to what a legal sign was.

**Fallguy** · 11-03-2009, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 56FordGuy

39-17-1359 is vague, for sure. I think it could be argued, under the current law, that the intent of any "No Guns" sign would be substantially similar to posting a sign as described.

Would there be any harm in requesting an attorney general's opinion on the matter? I understand that it doesn't change the law, but perhaps it could be clarified a little that way. It seems to me that there must be some reason no one has done that yet.

I don't disagree.

But the law doesn't say the "intent" has to be substantially similar but that the "wording" of the sign does.

I have asked Rep Todd (sponsor of the Restaurant carry bill) to check on an AG opinion as to whether certain things would have to be in the sign etc... He is supposed to be checking into it.

So far any AG opinion mentioning 39-17-1359 only repeats the "substantially similar" that is in the law, without any further clarification.

**Fallguy** · 11-17-2009, 05:11 PM

Got a phone call from Rep Todd this evening.

He had legal check and they said they cold not find any case where "substantially similar" has been defined or ruled upon as used in 39-17-1359.

We talked about getting an AG opinion, but both agreed that based on previous AG rulings he doesn't seem to be on "our side" so could be worse off than we are now.

I think he said he is going to talk with someone about it a little more, he just wanted to get back with me.

I have to say I have always had good dealing with Curry. I don't live in his district but he has always got back with me in some form when I have contacted him.

Anyway....just thought I'd pass this along.

**56FordGuy** · 11-17-2009, 05:13 PM

Appreciate the update.

11-03-2009, 03:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
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11-03-2009, 07:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
dizzielizzie TGO Member Joined: Apr 2009 Where: Columbia, TN Age: 40 Posts: 140	I am suprised the state didn't learn they could make a quick buck with the whole "posting" thing and sell special signs you have to purchase through the state... __________________ Been running around town with a gun, i'm just having so much fun!

11-17-2009, 05:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
Fallguy Citizen Super Moderator Joined: Nov 2007 Where: Milan, TN Age: 42 Posts: 6,044 Blog Entries: 1	Got a phone call from Rep Todd this evening. He had legal check and they said they cold not find any case where "substantially similar" has been defined or ruled upon as used in 39-17-1359. We talked about getting an AG opinion, but both agreed that based on previous AG rulings he doesn't seem to be on "our side" so could be worse off than we are now. I think he said he is going to talk with someone about it a little more, he just wanted to get back with me. I have to say I have always had good dealing with Curry. I don't live in his district but he has always got back with me in some form when I have contacted him. Anyway....just thought I'd pass this along. __________________ *TGO Super Moderator* "Because when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.” "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson Member of Motorcycle Enthusiast, Glock Owners & Christians TGO Social Groups

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11-03-2009, 07:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
56FordGuy TGO Senior Member Joined: Jan 2009 Where: Sumner County Posts: 863	39-17-1359 is vague, for sure. I think it could be argued, under the current law, that the intent of any "No Guns" sign would be substantially similar to posting a sign as described. Would there be any harm in requesting an attorney general's opinion on the matter? I understand that it doesn't change the law, but perhaps it could be clarified a little that way. It seems to me that there must be some reason no one has done that yet.

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56FordGuy TGO Senior Member Joined: Jan 2009 Where: Sumner County Posts: 863	Appreciate the update.