LAPD.. Dropping S&W M&P 9mm

[nightrunner]

oh, great, you make cliff notes AFTER I read the whole thing...

before i read that i was going to say about how i think that every single gun manufacturer has quality issues, how many did glock have? one or two issues is NOT something to worry about, heck i hear about all kinds of problems with kimbers, but if i could afford it id try one in a heartbeat, and try to make it work.

even if there were say 2000 guns with exploded barrels, so what if there are 20 million that didnt, not using exact numbers, just random figures

[FroggyOne2]

Yes.. and thanks for the correction..

It is just like the S&W 1076 that the FBI used.. a lot want to say that it was a problem with the gun as to the reason the dept dropped it.. it wasn't.. it was because the young bean counters couldn't shoot it.. with the original Norma ammo.. and of course.. politics.. with Glock..

[dralarms]

Cliffs notes for those who don't have the patience to read through the replies above:

* Small number of pistols tested, even smaller number exhibited issues.
* LASD might have an agenda here
* LASD's practice ammo may have been at fault
* LASD might not have contacted S&W before issuing said release, giving them time to address the issue
* Countless other agencies and civilians have not had similar problems
* Statistics can be skewed to support whatever position you have decided to take




I personally have had only minor issues with my M&Ps over the years. The most significant problems were the slide locking back prematurely and the magazine dropping on it's own; both on a 9mm Compact model. I bought this gun in 2005 when the models had just come out and S&W fixed it both times with revised parts that eliminated the problem. Clearly a first-run, freshman year problem.

Were they problems that could have fisted your OODA loop in a fight? You betcha! But they both occurred within the first 500 rounds fired at an indoor range. That's why I intentionally take any firearm I may carry and subject it to some abuse at the range FIRST. This is the recommended course of action for anyone who buys a new defensive handgun. Wring it out before you trust it.

Less critical but annoying none the less is the horrible lack of tactile trigger reset on my M&P 9mm. It DOES reset, you just don't feel a nice snap in the trigger when it does like you do on a Glock or an XD.

My M&P 40 has a pretty good reset. Not great, but good. All of my previous M&Ps have had good reset. So the issue seems to be hit or miss, luck of the draw. I am sending my M&P 9mm back to have the trigger re-worked and a Performance Center sear installed anyway, so I'm not really concerned. Plus it's something you could train around if you wanted to carry it. I just prefer not to work around it because I'm a lazy creature of habit.

Trust me they are aware of it, I copied the post and emailed it to them.

I do however agree, my M&P's have been 100% reliable and I'm not selling any of mine. I sent the info to Smith so they could address the issue, and for no other reason.

[Angel 24/7]

I love mine......... I am keeping her around.............

[m&pc9]

I now have 3 M&Ps. I think I will keep mine too.

The part about 47% malfunctions sounds a little suspicious to me. Like 82% of the nra want a AWB. Complete horse

[fivestring63]

I made that mistake years ago when I was getting into guns. I had a Taurus 9mm. The Beretta copy. When Berettas were first being issued to the military I heard a story of something like the slide blowing off of the Berettas. The first thing I did was trade my Taurus. As I look back, it was a mistake to trade it off. I am keeping my S&W 9mm. I've not had the first problem with it.

[m4coyote]

I have two M&P's, a 9c and a FS.40. The 9c went back to S&W for weak ejection and early slide lock. S&W replaced the barrel, ejector, extractor, and slide lock lever & spring. The ejection problem was cured, but I continued to experience premature slide lock.

I discovered the problem - my grip was engaging the slide lock lever during recoil. Simply revising my grip resulted in never having the problem again. I sold my G26, and now carry the 9c every day. The 9c just shoots better for me, and has slightly more capacity with very little size penalty.

The FS M&P .40 was purchased about four weeks ago, and has not given the first problem & is very accurate too! It has been a real pleasure to shoot, and ranks as the most ergonomic FS pistol I own.

I just purchased my second G19, because I traded away my first one about two weeks ago. Desperately missing my G19 resulted in a new one following me home yesterday.

Without a doubt, the pistol that has given me the most trouble is my G20. I purchased it brand new in 2005, and after less than 15 rounds, it quit firing. After a bit of examination, I found that the trigger bar was not fully contacting the safety plunger, and that resulted in not always allowing the striker to hit the primer. Some research revealed that Glock had an "improved" trigger bar for the G20 & G21. My gun had the original 4256 trigger bar, and the new one was marked 4256-1. I installed the new trigger bar, and it would once again fire. After replacing the trigger bar with the improved unit, and once again testing it at the range, I found that it would not always fully return to battery. Numerous factory loadings were tried, and none of them corrected the problem. The cure came in the form of a Wolff solid steel guide rod & non captured 18 lb. recoil spring. It is now finally dependable, and I am satisfied with it.

My G20 reminded me that any pistol or machine, no matter how "perfect", can have issues. Thoroughly test any firearm that you intend to carry. Many have argued that the factory captured recoil assembly is all that it needs. More than once I have popped it back in, and handed it to a naysayer, and low and behold, the problem reappears. One such person was a Glock armorer, and he replaced the recoil assembly with a brand new unit, but the problem persisted. Install the Wolff assembly, and the problem goes away, and stays away.

If you have an issue with the M&P series of pistols, Smith & Wesson will take care of you. They will pay for shipping both ways, and repair it. That is more than I can say for Glock, because the shipping and insurance for my G20 would have cost me more than the price of new repair parts.

[Todd@CIS]

If you have an issue with the M&P series of pistols, Smith & Wesson will take care of you. They will pay for shipping both ways, and repair it. That is more than I can say for Glock, because the shipping and insurance for my G20 would have cost me more than the price of new repair parts.

This I have to agree with.
Not super happy with Glock's CS right now.
While S&W has some of the best CS in the industry.

[TGO David]

This I have to agree with.
Not super happy with Glock's CS right now.
While S&W has some of the best CS in the industry.

It's not too late to switch.

[Smith]

I really liked my M&P9. Only reason I went to the G19 was the slightly smaller size just works better as an EDC. I'm still hoping they make a mid size M&P. If they do I will be going back to the M&P shortly.