Feeling real gloomy about our future

Originally Posted by USMCJG

.... As long as we keep it where you can get rich being a politician, we will always have the wrong kinds of people after the job. ...

That's one thing the Constitution framers blew, no term limits set.
Apparently never occurred to them that anyone would ever be a career politician, even want to be one.

Of course, presidential term limits set by amendment after FDR, but never any for Reps/Senators. Why? Because the career politician Reps/Senators make the rules.

But, all in all, the two party system has become tyranny. It will be ever thus, a corrupt mess, as long as it remains in effect.

- OS

Originally Posted by OhShoot

That's one thing the Constitution framers blew, no term limits set.
Apparently never occurred to them that anyone would ever be a career politician, even want to be one.

Of course, presidential term limits set by amendment after FDR, but never any for Reps/Senators. Why? Because the career politician Reps/Senators make the rules.

But, all in all, the two party system has become tyranny. It will be ever thus, a corrupt mess, as long as it remains in effect.

- OS

I agree. I think the framers just assumed that if we elected representatives who betrayed the public trust that we would hastily remove them from office. They were wrong on that one count. Ron Paul actually pushed for term limits for congress several times in the past, starting in the 1970's. Surprisingly, those term limit bills never even made it out of committee. He has also tried to slow pay increases for members of congress several times, again surprisingly no luck.

Cliff

We need a constitutional convention to set the federal govt back on track. Then WE impose the term limits on them. We dont need congress to pass laws we can do it on our own.

Your not alone man.

Face it, we're going to hell with the way things are going right now....thanks to O

Originally Posted by redbarron06

We need a constitutional convention to set the federal govt back on track. Then WE impose the term limits on them. We dont need congress to pass laws we can do it on our own.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Article V US Constitution

I wonder why no states have passed resolutions calling for a constitutional convention for term limits. Perhaps we should encourage our legislature to start a trend.

Originally Posted by CrazyLincoln

I wonder why no states have passed resolutions calling for a constitutional convention for term limits. Perhaps we should encourage our legislature to start a trend.

Why would a state legislature do that?
They don't want term limits on national level, it would filter down to them; you think they want term limits for themselves?

Main diff tween the boys in Nashville and the boys in D.C. is the scale of the corruption, not the process of it.

- OS

Originally Posted by mikedwood

Ahh it swings left for 20 or 30 years and swings right for 20 or 30 years. It will swing back around as far to the right as it goes to the left. Just might take awhile.

The problem lately is the only difference between the left and right is method not ideology. But still the masses will swing to the right again. Your sheeple as it were. They will again move right and the politics will follow because thats where the money is.

The problem is that the swing to right doesn't last as long as the swing to the left and it doesn't swing as far to the right as it does to the left thus moving the "center" farther left.

Originally Posted by redbarron06

We need a constitutional convention to set the federal govt back on track. Then WE impose the term limits on them. We dont need congress to pass laws we can do it on our own.

As I understand the system once a constitutional convention is convened all of the Constitution is subject to being changed, e.g., removing/changing the 2nd Amendment.

Originally Posted by Tim Nunan

As I understand the system once a constitutional convention is convened all of the Constitution is subject to being changed, e.g., removing/changing the 2nd Amendment.

Now that's a scary thought!

We DON'T want a constitutional convention. Don't even want to go there. We just need to enforce the constitution as it is now.

Glenn