Israeli Combat Training in TN

Originally Posted by Sherman A. House

Shalom Ben, and thanks for putting yourself up here for our benefit. Your material looks valuable and interesting. I'm always up for learning a new way to "take out the trash."

To the 23 year old troll: An aggressive isosceles stance isn't anything new...but it works. In a fight, you'll get as low as you can go, and your shoulders will shrug up. It is a natural, physiologic reponse to a threat. Why people like you tend to single out tactical instructors or schools and form an opinion on their abilities, techniques or reasoning based on one picture, is lame.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Dr. House

Whoa there, guy, don't get so excited. I'm sure Ben can explain his picture well enough on his own. I just thought the stance looked funny and, of course, there may be a logical explanation as to why Ben is standing that way. To the casual observer, it seems to increase your profile and expose two of the largest arteries in your body.

I can't guarantee that you are actually meaning anything when you say "To the 23 year old troll", but while my post was a little trollish (I couldn't hold back the sarcasm) my being 23 years old has nothing to do with anything, and the fact that you even bring up my age is simply argument ad hominem. For all you know, I could be in the special forces and have more experience than anyone on this board. So, please refrain from personal attacks if you will.

Originally Posted by TK47

Yeah, right. All the bad guys I know aim for the femoral arteries. It's why you hold your pistol sideways like a gangbanger. Sheesh!

TK47

We all know the bullets don't go exactly where you want every time. So, if you are going to "accidentally" get hit in the leg, wouldn't you want it to go into the top your quad instead of your inner thigh, which could bleed you out in short order?

Still, the question still stands, Ben, why are you standing like that?

The Israeli system of combat shooting is based on a person's natural instinct and inclination when under an attack.

The best way to describe it is for you to do the following:

Have someone scare you (REALLY scare you) when you absolutely least expect it.
If you end up "Blading" your body while standing nice and upright like a statue, then I will stop with the Israeli stance and convert to your stance instead.

If, instead, you do what every human and animal does while under a sudden attack that induces fear and surprise, and you end up crouching and bringing your hands up to defend yourself, then you might begin to understand why the Israeli stance is what it is.

I respect your question, even your sarcasm, and hope that if you do what I mentioned above, you will see why we do what we do.

In a "fight for your life" situation, you will revert to your base "Fight or Flight" instincts. If you spend years training to drill certain methods into your core muscle memory, you will hopefully be able to augment your instictive reaction with a trained reaction.

I train in a way that ensures that my "muscle memory" is such that I react the same way each time I am "under attack" and this is my instinctive body stance (with slight modification) while under attack.

Of course, depending on your distance from the attacker and other variables, you might not have the time or the distance to fully crouch and fully extend and lock out your arms. You might be fighting from "point zero" and your method of counter attack and defense changes.

This is where a lot of good, constant training comes into play.

If you have ever been in combat against a real enemy firing real ammunition, or even in a street fight, you will already know that standing straight up and blading your body while bullets are literally coming at your head, is not only unreasonable and stupid, but is also against your nature as a human.

To crouch, make your center of gravity low and extend your arms fully locked out, is your instinctive and natural reaction.

Now, to move to the next level of actually bringing the attack to the attacker, is where my training truly shines.

Ben

Originally Posted by Sherman A. House

Shalom Ben, and thanks for putting yourself up here for our benefit. Your material looks valuable and interesting. I'm always up for learning a new way to "take out the trash."

To the 23 year old troll: An aggressive isosceles stance isn't anything new...but it works. In a fight, you'll get as low as you can go, and your shoulders will shrug up. It is a natural, physiologic reponse to a threat. Why people like you tend to single out tactical instructors or schools and form an opinion on their abilities, techniques or reasoning based on one picture, is lame.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

Dr. House

Thank you for the kind note. I would be more than happy to help you learn new methods of taking out the trash. And there is a lot of trash.....

Originally Posted by Kelemvor

For all you know, I could be in the special forces and have more experience than anyone on this board.

Yea, but your probably not and to insinuate that you are is a slap in the face to the actual servicemen and women on this board.

I also doubt at 23 you have much more experience than most of the guys here our age. I certainly doubt you have more experience that 99.9% of our instructors here, including Ben.

I also would be willing to bet since you didn't even bother to check off the HCP and military service box you're just another one of our trolls that have been running around this board lately trying to act all uppity and wrecking valuable threads.

My suggestion would be to try and add something of value or ask your question in a polite manner.

Originally Posted by Kelemvor

For all you know, I could be in the special forces and have more experience than anyone on this board.

Most special forces guys I know, and I know a few, would not make a silly statement like that. They are honorable soldiers and feel no need to play "one up" when someone calls them on their game. Playing COD4 doesn't count bud.

Do you have any handgun classes planned for Memphis anytime soon?

Originally Posted by bwswanson

Do you have any handgun classes planned for Memphis anytime soon?

I am organizing a couple of training classes in the Memphis and MS area soon.

I currently have a group of around 5 that are interested and I like to keep class sizes small for individual attention (max 6 participants per session).

Please email me at Ben@israelicombattraining.com with your information and what you are looking for and then I will have you in my system. When a class is about to be formed, I will let you know via email.

Thank you for your interest!
Ben

Originally Posted by Kelemvor

I just thought the stance looked funny and, of course, there may be a logical explanation as to why Ben is standing that way. To the casual observer, it seems to increase your profile and expose two of the largest arteries in your body.

I can't guarantee that you are actually meaning anything when you say "To the 23 year old troll", but while my post was a little trollish (I couldn't hold back the sarcasm) my being 23 years old has nothing to do with anything, and the fact that you even bring up my age is simply argument ad hominem. For all you know, I could be in the special forces and have more experience than anyone on this board. So, please refrain from personal attacks if you will.

We all know the bullets don't go exactly where you want every time. So, if you are going to "accidentally" get hit in the leg, wouldn't you want it to go into the top your quad instead of your inner thigh, which could bleed you out in short order?

Still, the question still stands, Ben, why are you standing like that?

A couple of points I'd like to add. 1.) Most defenseive stances look funny to the casual observer, but not so much to a person exposed to the many philosophies of defense, whether it be of armed or unarmed tactics. 2.) I understand your offense to argumentum ad hominum; however the statistical likelihood that anyone 23 years of age has more experience than any of the 4,823 members on this forum in the area of defensive tactics is uber slim, so I would assess the comment to be based on that logic. 3) Even if you were SFOD, 5 years experience would be a thin bet against 4,823 individuals. 4.) Not sure how you protect both femoral arteries unless you intend to fight from the bullseye stance or completely pigeon-toed holding a card between your knees, as isosceles, weaver, and modified weaver all present some exposure...remember the femoral artery is an extension of the iliac artery which is exposed at the groin flap. The point of the stance is to allow training to become part of your innate fight or flight response as an 'initial action' enabling transition to a cognitive choice to engage. Fact remains that a low isoscles or crouch utilizing gross motor coordination to begin engagement is proven to be successful. I doubt Ben, or any trained operator, would remain stationary long enough for a quad shot vs. artery shot to be much more of a factor than it already would be with bullets whizzing.

Truth is, I prefer a "Penis Forward" stance.

I like to present the biggest target possible to my enemy.







lol

Originally Posted by Ben

Truth is, I prefer a "Penis Forward" stance.

I like to present the biggest target possible to my enemy.

lol

Hah. Shoot 'em while they're distracted.