Challenge "Guns-in-bars" Law: Nashville attorneys David Randolph Smith & Adam Dread

Originally Posted by Fallguy

Well that is just wrong...it will be crime if the place is posted.

To be honest this just seems so unreal to me.....I mean how can there be such a group of misguided, uniformed zealots?!?

I mean we have disagreed about some things on this board, but as long as both sides made logical, intelligible arguments you could at least respect the other persons opinion, even if you didn't agree with it. But these arguments are just made up of falsehoods and lies....how do you argue with that?

Ladies and gentlemen please pray this is assigned to a judge with common sense and this is dismissed before it can really get any traction.

They may be referring to the new sign not mentioning jail time, only a $500 fine? But I digress....

I've already forwarded that article on to the NRA-ILA to bring it to their attention, along with the suggestion they drop Dread from the membership since he dishonors the organization.

Originally Posted by Fallguy

I mean we have disagreed about some things on this board, but as long as both sides made logical, intelligible arguments you could at least respect the other persons opinion, even if you didn't agree with it. But these arguments are just made up of falsehoods and lies....how do you argue with that?

So at what point do we finally say we've had enough with this bull****?

Once again its the "Oh I'm a supporter of the 2nd Ammendment and a member of the NRA but....................."

As far as a judge with common sense goes, well I hope so but who's to say Bredesen or Naifeh or Dread might not try to grease the judge's palm.

I just read the actual lawsuit text. There's some funny there...

Tennessee doesn't have a legal definition of a "bar" and hence, there can't be any laws pertaining to bars, yet they insist that some restaurants that sell alcohol must be "bars". In other words, because the law doesn't say what they want, they pick up from the internets and call it a fact. Then having made up a legal term that doesn't exist under Tennessee law, they build a whole turdpile of argument on top of it.

For example, the claim that "while a permit holder cannot drink alcohol while carrying a loaded weapon in a bar or restaurant, the new law doesn’t stop that person from having previously consumed alcohol"... um, LAWS don't stop people from doing anything, otherwise we wouldn't have crime! Oh, and the only legal authority for this brilliant interpretation is footnote pointing to a Memphis TV station website with an out-of-context quote from a local bartender!

By these idiots' logic, I should have been dead a long time ago. I mean, how in the crap do I keep from shooting myself and everyone else? Guns are just sooo dangerous! Good thing my holster has proper retention, otherwise my gun would jump out and start spraying lead everywhere...


They are so afraid of HCP holders carrying a gun, but there's more chance of injury by slipping on a spill in one of thier restaurants. Hmmm....

According to the TFA (Tennessee Firearms Association) forums, there is going to be a 2 hour radio show tomorrow from 11:00 am - 1:00 pm on WAMB (AM1200) with radio host Bob Pope and guests Sen. Doug Jackson, Sen. Jim Tracy, Rep. Ben West, Nicole Goeser, and John Harris to discuss the restaurant carry issue.

Also, on July 7, John Harris, an attorney associated with TFA will be a guest on Newschannel5+ Openline on Comcast channel 50 from 7pm - 8pm to discuss the guns in parks law.

So, Dread and 10 restaurant owners ignored the facts of the bill and made up propaganda to support their nonsense. Excellent. And all this time we thought Naifeh was the enemy. Dread makes Naifeh look like Charlton Heston.

Originally Posted by netmindr

According to the TFA (Tennessee Firearms Association) forums, there is going to be a 2 hour radio show tomorrow from 11:00 am - 1:00 pm on WAMB (AM1200) with radio host Bob Pope and guests Sen. Doug Jackson, Sen. Jim Tracy, Rep. Ben West, Nicole Goeser, and John Harris to discuss the restaurant carry issue.

Also, on July 7, John Harris, an attorney associated with TFA will be a guest on Newschannel5+ Openline on Comcast channel 50 from 7pm - 8pm to discuss the guns in parks law.

This show will be broadcast live on the TFALive TV channel on their website. (Barring any unforseen technically issues).

Saw a short on this subject on WSMV-TV this evening. Several times signs were shown supposedly prohibiting carry. Not one of the signs complied with the TCA39-17-1359.

My physician deals with some patients who are not the most stable in the world. After agonizing over it (he is not anti-gun) he decided to ban weapons in his building. To be perfectly legal, he came to me (He knows that I CCW with a TN HCP) and asked the right procedure to do this. I printed a copy of TCA39-17-1359 for him and then generated two proper signs on my computer, printed them and laminated all of them. His office will now be properly posted, as is his right under the current law.

How hard is this?
Every one of these "restaurant" owners could do the same in less than 5 minutes and they would be covered. There is no need for any further court actions and no great amount of expense is involved.

The orignal legislation took care of both camps. If the place wants my business and is willing to let me carry, they may do so. If the place doesn't want my business and chooses to ban CCW, they may do so.

WHAZZZUP?

Originally Posted by wjh2657

The orignal legislation took care of both camps. If the place wants my business and is willing to let me carry, they may do so. If the place doesn't want my business and chooses to ban CCW, they may do so.

WHAZZZUP?

There's the rub. They want the state to do their dirty work so they can keep their hands clean. If they put up a sign, they know they will drive away some prospective customers, and it costs them money. If they don't put up a sign, they will have some tables taken up by people prohibited by statute from purchasing their highest profit items, alcohol, so it costs them money.

If they can get the state law invalidated and everything stays the status quo, they don't alienate prospective customers with a sign at the door and gun owners won't be able to carry in the restaurant and they can still sell them drinks, beer and wine.

Whenever you're wondering about stuff or motivations that just don't make sense, just follow the money.