Gun in parking lots

Originally Posted by mosinon

I hate this right on right violence!
On the one hand I'm down with the notion that individuals are entitled to carry weapons. You have a right to defend yourself and such.

On the other hand the employer has rights as well. If the employer wants no firearms on his property then that is the employers right, right? For example I have every right to stand on the street corner and spout my philosophy to those who use sidewalk. Incidentally my philosophy is that someone should sell me a mosin nagant in Knoxville and let me shoot hogs on their land, but if I did that in a Dunkin Donuts I would expect them to ask me to leave.

So this seems like a battle of rights, who has the right on private property? I would generally side with the owner of private property. It is, after all, their property. Just because it is my right doesn't mean I get to infringe on their right. You have the option not to work there so it isn't like your right is actually being taken away.

All that said, if they want you gone they'll find a reason and if you leave your gun in your car they will likely never know. I've never worked at a place that included car inspections.

Be smart and I'll bet you never have to worry.

I agree it is the property owners right to ban firearms in on their property. But, in many states your vehicle is considered an extension of your home and you may carry a loaded firearm permit or not in your vehicle. I am not sure how this would pertain to carrying a gun on your workplaces property, but it is a law I would like to see passed here in TN, rather than what is currently being proposed.

I think our actions as citizens could shape businesses policies on firearms in a more positive light than using the legislature to infringe on their rights.

If we as gun owners stood up for our rights at work like we do in the way we patronize restaurants and other businesses, we would see a big change in attitude towards us. If everyone challenged their employer about its firearm policy and walked off the job I believe we would see big changes. This would take huge cojones on most peoples part. I think many problems could be solved this way. Just my

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Originally Posted by HexHead

This really puts a "collective" right up against an individual's right. Most of the businesses putting these signs up are not owned by an individual, but by shareholders, thus making their imposing their will a collective right. Not much better than the government thinking they know what's best for you. In this case the HR and legal departments get together to decide how best to limit their possible liability exposure.

They couldn't care less if you get carjacked or robbed at a gas station on the way home.

Under US law corporations are citizens and IBM has all the rights you, as an individual, have.

Not sure if this is a good thing or not but it goes back a ways.

Originally Posted by TnEngineer

I used to work at Government plant in Oak Ridge and the "blue line" starts quite a distance beyond the parking lot so, they enforce strictly "no firearms in vehicles".
After I got to know some of the security people, I kindly let them know that if I ever got acosted to or from work that I was going to drag them "kicking and screaming" into court because they contributed to my ill fate.
They kindly acknowledged. That was a number of years ago.

Sadly, I think they will be exempt from this law if it passes. I think all Federal sites will still be able to ban firearms in cars.

Which, I still don't understand how "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" does not apply to them. They are the government, and are infringing on my ability to "keep" a weapon locked in my vehicle, which prevents me from "bearing" it if need be on my way to and from work.

An employer is just that,and that alone..AN EMPLOYER.They have no special right to deny me of my consitutional rights at all.No..they CANNOT ban tire irons or gansta rap,they have to obey the law too.Just because a person,or a corporation opens a business,gives them NO RIGHT to start doing things contrary to the constitution.
If they dont like it,dont open the business,period. Where and who says an employers rights supecedes mine? My vehicle is MY vehicle,and it will be searched by NO ONE unless an officer of the law HAS A WARRANT. When an employer hires people,he hires them and their rights as well,my rights arent checked at the door when I clock in.
As for smoking in public,your right to smoke ENDS AT MY NOSE. YOU are the one with the filthy habit,YOU go outside,not me...common sense.
This law needs to pass,and soon.It is sorely needed.

Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

As for smoking in public,your right to smoke ENDS AT MY NOSE. YOU are the one with the filthy habit,YOU go outside,not me...common sense.
This law needs to pass,and soon.It is sorely needed.

As someone who's smoked for over 40 years, I agree with you. Smoking is a health hazard and employers have a duty to protect non-smokers from exposure.

I too smoke, and have zero issue with the smoking ban.

I wanna kill myself, that's fine, but why should I subject others to it?

Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

An employer is just that,and that alone..AN EMPLOYER.They have no special right to deny me of my consitutional rights at all....... Where and who says an employers rights supecedes mine? My vehicle is MY vehicle,and it will be searched by NO ONE unless an officer of the law HAS A WARRANT. When an employer hires people,he hires them and their rights as well,my rights arent checked at the door when I clock in.
As for smoking in public,your right to smoke ENDS AT MY NOSE. YOU are the one with the filthy habit,YOU go outside,not me...common sense.
This law needs to pass,and soon.It is sorely needed.

Straight Shooter - That's exactly how I feel! I don't know about the legality of that but it's how I feel.

Originally Posted by Kegger

I too smoke, and have zero issue with the smoking ban.

I wanna kill myself, that's fine, but why should I subject others to it?

I don't smoke but wish everyone who did felt like Kegger & PapaB does.

Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

An employer is just that,and that alone..AN EMPLOYER.They have no special right to deny me of my consitutional rights at all.No..they CANNOT ban tire irons or gansta rap,they have to obey the law too.Just because a person,or a corporation opens a business,gives them NO RIGHT to start doing things contrary to the constitution.
If they dont like it,dont open the business,period. Where and who says an employers rights supecedes mine? My vehicle is MY vehicle,and it will be searched by NO ONE unless an officer of the law HAS A WARRANT. When an employer hires people,he hires them and their rights as well,my rights arent checked at the door when I clock in.

This law needs to pass,and soon.It is sorely needed.

You're dead wrong. Although I do like your passion and we need more people with that kind of passion.

If I own business or for that matter my house I most certainly can prohibit you from carrying a firearm, tire iron or gangsta rap on private property. Which most businesses are located on private property.

I can also request to search you car if I have a think you have prohibited materials in your car. You can then in turn refuse the search upon which I can then fire you. No ones rights were infringed you can still carry your gun just not on my property.

I personally would not ban guns from my business if I had one. But, we do need to let companies know profits will suffer. This either from lack of business or lack of productivity, due to their best employees leaving for more like minded employers.

Originally Posted by Straight Shooter

Where and who says an employers rights supecedes mine?

I wanted to first state that I want the law to pass but I can also see it from the employer's side.

The deal with employers is that I chose to work there. They don't make me.

If I want money for the work I do and want to continue to have a job, I have to abide by their rules. I may not like their rules, or agree with them, but if I want to be an employee I'm obligated to obey.

Same thing goes with joining any private club. If I want to join and be a member, I abide by their rules. If the rules say I have to shave my head to be a member, they I need to shave my head. If I really like having hair on my head then I need to find another club that doesn't have that rule. I don't need to waste time and money by trying to sue my way into the club.

TGO has posting rules, you may not like some of them and feel they violate your first admendment rights, but TGO can make the rules. If you don't like them then go to another forum.

It comes down to my choice. If I don't like my employer's rules I need to get a different job.