Surrendering your Weapon to an Officer

Get over it and yourself.

You are showing a really crappy attitude and if you acted "anything" like you are acting now, I can see why the officer would have felt the need to secure the weapon.

The officer did nothing illegal, you got your gun back, be done with it.

You are acting like a child not getting it's way.

Chill out.

Originally Posted by EMTRN

TCA 39-17-1361 Section "t"

Correctamundo.

"(t) Any law enforcement officer of this state or of any county or municipality may, within the realm of the officer's lawful jurisdiction and when the officer is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's official duties, disarm a permit holder at any time when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the permit holder, officer or other individual or individuals. The officer shall return the handgun to the permit holder before discharging the permit holder from the scene when the officer has determined that the permit holder is not a threat to the officer, to the permit holder, or other individual or individuals provided that the permit holder has not violated any provision of this section and provided the permit holder has not committed any other violation that results in the arrest of the permit holder."

Originally Posted by OhShoot

Correctamundo.

"(t) Any law enforcement officer of this state or of any county or municipality may, within the realm of the officer's lawful jurisdiction and when the officer is acting in the lawful discharge of the officer's official duties, disarm a permit holder at any time when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary for the protection of the permit holder, officer or other individual or individuals. The officer shall return the handgun to the permit holder before discharging the permit holder from the scene when the officer has determined that the permit holder is not a threat to the officer, to the permit holder, or other individual or individuals provided that the permit holder has not violated any provision of this section and provided the permit holder has not committed any other violation that results in the arrest of the permit holder."

Thanks for correcting me. I found that other thing on Michies

Originally Posted by TPS -TNRobocop

Get over it and yourself.

You are showing a really crappy attitude and if you acted "anything" like you are acting now, I can see why the officer would have felt the need to secure the weapon.

The officer did nothing illegal, you got your gun back, be done with it.

You are acting like a child not getting it's way.

Chill out.

I dont have an attitude and I didnt then. Im just a freedom loving American that hates having his rights trampled. But I've found the Unconstitutional Law I was looking for now

Originally Posted by jth_3s

It is a big deal. You have to stand your ground when they abuse the law. They are suppossed to be in fear for their safety and I gave him no reason to fear, I was polite. Answer this: Do you believe that the Government has the right to make laws that infringe upon our Constitutional Rights? When he took that gun he infringed upon my 2A right to KEEP and bear arms. As for the Seat belt law, the government has no business making laws to protect me from myself it is nothing more than a means of revenue and another reason to pull you over.

You maybe didn't, by your actions, give him a reason to fear you. The problem may be the fact that LEOs around the country are shot from the windows of stopped vehicles. You can't always identify a nutcase by looking at him or talking to him. If I were a LEO, I would be nervous about every vehicle I approached. You knew that you were no threat but how could he be 100% sure? One way would be for him to have control of your weapon during the stop. He returned it. He didn't damage it. He didn't keep your ammo. He didn't scatch the paint on your roof. He lived to go home to his family. You didn't go to jail. I fail to see any harm done. You just didn't get your way. Did you feel that you were going to need it to defend yourself during the duration of the stop? Sometimes the path of least resistance is the truely the best way to go. It's done and there have got to be more important things in your life to expend your energy on. Relax. I'm not saying that you shouldn't stand up for your rights but pick your battles. Some things just aren't worth the aggravation.

I agree with you JTH that if you were acting polite, then there was no reason to for him to have disarmed you. Have you tried speaking with the police chief about LEO's actions? Maybe if it's stressed that the driver who holds a valid HCP and isn't acting strange shouldn't be disarmed, then they will make sure all their officers are informed of this. Or maybe we should get the law re-written that the person carrying a firearm has to act in a threatening way (oh wait, that's basically what the law says, but they are ignoring it!)

Matthew

Originally Posted by Motasyco

You maybe didn't, by your actions, give him a reason to fear you. The problem may be the fact that LEOs around the country are shot from the windows of stopped vehicles. You can't always identify a nutcase by looking at him or talking to him. If I were a LEO, I would be nervous about every vehicle I approached. You knew that you were no threat but how could he be 100% sure? One way would be for him to have control of your weapon during the stop. He returned it. He didn't damage it. He didn't keep your ammo. He didn't scatch the paint on your roof. He lived to go home to his family. You didn't go to jail. I fail to see any harm done. You just didn't get your way. Did you feel that you were going to need it to defend yourself during the duration of the stop? Sometimes the path of least resistance is the truely the best way to go. It's done and there have got to be more important things in your life to expend your energy on. Relax. I'm not saying that you shouldn't stand up for your rights but pick your battles. Some things just aren't worth the aggravation.

I understand where you are coming from but "Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"-Ben Franklin. I had just as much reason to fear for my life as he did. Innocent people have been shot By LEOs(this is not cop bashing it is a rare fact). I dont like the Idea of giving up my liberty for his security.

Originally Posted by macville

I agree with you JTH that if you were acting polite, then there was no reason to for him to have disarmed you. Have you tried speaking with the police chief about LEO's actions? Maybe if it's stressed that the driver who holds a valid HCP and isn't acting strange shouldn't be disarmed, then they will make sure all their officers are informed of this. Or maybe we should get the law re-written that the person carrying a firearm has to act in a threatening way (oh wait, that's basically what the law says, but they are ignoring it!)

Matthew

I thought about calling his supervisors and probably should have. The reason I didnt is because this LEO was otherwise a nice guy and we had a nice conversation on hunting lol. His supervisors are condoning this behavior and are the source of the problem. It needs to be addressed at a judicial level but it never will due to it not being worth the time and money for anyone to pursue. Next time however, I will ask him if I make him fear for his life.

Originally Posted by jth_3s

I understand where you are coming from but "Those who sacrifice Liberty for Security deserve neither"-Ben Franklin. I had just as much reason to fear for my life as he did. Innocent people have been shot By LEOs(this is not cop bashing it is a rare fact). I dont like the Idea of giving up my liberty for his security.

Well, big guy... you had the option of refusing to be disarmed and stand your ground. Why didn't you since your convictions are so strong?



This reminds me of the joke about the cop who pulled two guys over and during the course of the stop, smacked the driver upside the head with his Maglite while the passenger sat in terrified silence.

After letting them go, the cop pulls them back over, goes to the passenger window and smacks THAT guy in the head this time.

When the passenger cries about it, asking why the cop hit him, the cop responds "I'm just granting your wish for you. Because I know a couple more miles down the street you were going to talk big about how you wish that cop had tried that **** with you."



Moral? It's always easier to talk big about it later than it is to be that sort of big talker on the scene.

Originally Posted by TGO David

Well, big guy... you had the option of refusing to be disarmed and stand your ground. Why didn't you since your convictions are so strong?



This reminds me of the joke about the cop who pulled two guys over and during the course of the stop, smacked the driver upside the head with his Maglite while the passenger sat in terrified silence.

After letting them go, the cop pulls them back over, goes to the passenger window and smacks THAT guy in the head this time.

When the passenger cries about it, asking why the cop hit him, the cop responds "I'm just granting your wish for you. Because I know a couple more miles down the street you were going to talk big about how you wish that cop had tried that **** with you."



Moral? It's always easier to talk big about it later than it is to be that sort of big talker on the scene((politely).

You're right I should have, but like I said It is not worth the time or money to fight it in court. Had I refused I would have probably been arrested and as a college student I cant really afford to fight it right now. I was more ticketed off about the seatbelt than anything I did tell him my feelings on that at the scene.