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Condition 1 or Condition 3 Carry


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#1 DarylDixon

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:09 AM

I ran across this article about the pros and cons of Condition 3 vs. Condition 1 carry. It's worth a read. http://thinkinggunfi...or-why.html?m=1
I'm currently a Condition 3 guy. It just makes more sense to me in my situation.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:20 AM

I wouldn't recommend carrying without one ready to fire unless you have done extensive drills with your firearm. I mean so many it becomes pure muscule memory because when it hits the fan and you lose your fine motor skills it could be deadly.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:31 AM

That's why I practice:)

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:51 AM

1911: Condition one, cocked and locked.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:47 AM

1911: Condition one, cocked and locked.


What he said. Don't wanna be beat to death with my own gun.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:52 AM

That article was aggravating to read. If the author wants to live in the past then he's got that to do. Handguns have come a long way. I don't start my car with a crank lever.

Let's put this VERY simply...

There are MANY things that could go wrong without one in the chamber.
- That quarter of a second it takes to chamber a round (that's very generously fast) can without a doubt easily be a matter of life or death.
- There is a chance of a failure to feed (when you could already have a good round already in the chamber ready to go).
- There is a chance a foreign object may be introduced to the chamber (shirt, flesh, a cat) causing malfunction or a jam.
- There is a chance you may become off balance in responding to a threat and unable to chamber a round.
- There is a chance that you might need your support hand to keep your threat at a distance/keep your balance/catch yourself/manipulate objects.
- There may not be enough room to rack the slide when tackled and wrestling on the ground

There is ONE thing that could go wrong with carrying one in the chamber.
- A negligent discharge.

I don't know about you, but the reason I carry is to be ready for the worst imaginable situation (aka use of deadly force) and I think any reasonable person would want EVERY single advantage available no matter how small.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

The 1911 was designed to be carried in condition 1.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:14 AM

Well written article. Doesn't change MY mind, but I do like that the author talks about "informed decision." He also mentions that one shouldnt just go with what this guy or that guy says. Carry in the manner that works best for you, but how could you go wrong in making "informed decisions" vs impulsive ones. For me, when I think of the best method of carry, I carry my FN-45. My 1911's are more emotional decisions, lol. In every personal analysis of mine, I will carry the FN, except for those occasions when its just too big to conceal in certain, limited situations.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:01 PM

For a long time, I had myself fooled into believing that C3 carry was safer. Since we just had Thanksgiving, I'm adding to my list that I'm thankful for people who cared enough about me to show me why I was wrong.

Every time, without fail, that I have asked a qualified instructor how to carry a firearm, 100% have said, "Condition 1".

BTW, can't help but notice that ole Daryl carries that crossbow in C1.....

Edited by DaddyO, 23 November 2012 - 12:20 PM.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:20 PM

Darryl is facing a very real and constant threat:)
Do what is best for your situation.
I like how the author addresses the fact that you will in all likelihood never have to fire in self defense, but you have to load/unload/holster/un holster your firearm thousands of times if you carry. The odds of an accidental discharge are much greater than the odds of dying because of that extra half second to rack the slide.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to carry in condition 1, I just don't currently feel that it fits my situation. It is likely that I'll change my mind when I don't have toddlers, babies, and young kids in the house.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:32 PM

I carry either one of my Glocks that have no external safety or a Taurus PT140 with a safety. I carry all of them fully loaded and ready to go. The older you get the slower you are so every second counts.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:40 PM

Glock 19. One in the chamber. I have had formal training and I do practice. I do not load/unload and I do not holster/unholster. If I have to draw my weapon there is no need to reholster it. The police will be wanting to take it as evidence. If you keep your "Bugger hook" off the "bang button" you will not have any negligent discharges. For me. If I (God help me) ever have to draw my weapon. I'm going to draw and fire, just like I train. It's simple and simple is what you want in a situation like that.

If you are drawing and holstering, loading and unloading, your weapon thousands of time when you carry, then you need to keep the chamber empty.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 01:42 PM

It is better to have it and not need it (cond. 1), than to need it and not have it (cond.3).

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:45 PM

I've been carrying C1 every day for a long time now. M&P45c with no external safety. Wonder why I've never had a ND?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:07 PM

Darryl is facing a very real and constant threat:)
Do what is best for your situation.
I like how the author addresses the fact that you will in all likelihood never have to fire in self defense, but you have to load/unload/holster/un holster your firearm thousands of times if you carry. The odds of an accidental discharge are much greater than the odds of dying because of that extra half second to rack the slide.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to carry in condition 1, I just don't currently feel that it fits my situation. It is likely that I'll change my mind when I don't have toddlers, babies, and young kids in the house.


I've been carrying my Glock loaded and ready since I got my permit. The only time it comes out of the holster is for target practice. Why would a person be constantly be taking a gun in and out of their holster?

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:09 PM

For me, it's not a matter of right vs. wrong, it's a matter of what are you comfortable with. If you aren't comfortable carrying one in the chamber, then don't. If you are, then do. I carry one in the chamber, but I am comfortable with my gun and safe handling skills. Still, anything can happen to even the best and most safety conscious people.

I would rather be in close vicinity of someone with a gun in C3 if they aren't comfortable in C1. If you aren't comfortable, your more likely to make a mistake IMO.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:18 PM

I've been carrying my Glock loaded and ready since I got my permit. The only time it comes out of the holster is for target practice. Why would a person be constantly be taking a gun in and out of their holster?


I think that depends on what you do with it at the end of the day. If you have small children in the house, you may unholster it to secure it in a quick access safe or in the nightstand drawer. I also prefer to put my IWB holster on without anything in it. Different strokes for different folks.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

Darryl is facing a very real and constant threat:)

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to carry in condition 1, I just don't currently feel that it fits my situation. It is likely that I'll change my mind when I don't have toddlers, babies, and young kids in the house.


I view that as a seperate issue. Guns should be secured from kids... period. I don't have kids, so I don't have to worry about it on a daily basis. When they're around, I make sure they can't get their hands on one of my guns. I usually just lock them in the safe.

We all carry because there's a very real and constant threat, no matter how infrequent. People have been killed with their unchambered guns in their hands. I won't argue that an unloaded gun isn't better than no gun at all. I will say that it increases your risk if you ever need to defend yourself. That's why all guns have safety mechanisms. If they were designed to be carried unloaded, they wouldn't need safeties.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:52 PM

I think that depends on what you do with it at the end of the day. If you have small children in the house, you may unholster it to secure it in a quick access safe or in the nightstand drawer. I also prefer to put my IWB holster on without anything in it. Different strokes for different folks.


I haven't been forced to think this one through. Kids are smart. If they can get their hands on a gun at all, it needs to be disabled in some fashion (no ammo available). Seems to me, it's better to just lock the whole gun away. Has nothing to do with condition of readiness. If the gun can be made ready, it's not safe to be in a kid's hands.

If I had kids in the house every day, I would probably use a quick access safe, and my gun would stay there (in condition 1).

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

I view that as a seperate issue. Guns should be secured from kids... period. I don't have kids, so I don't have to worry about it on a daily basis. When they're around, I make sure they can't get their hands on one of my guns. I usually just lock them in the safe.

We all carry because there's a very real and constant threat, no matter how infrequent. People have been killed with their unchambered guns in their hands. I won't argue that an unloaded gun isn't better than no gun at all. I will say that it increases your risk if you ever need to defend yourself. That's why all guns have safety mechanisms. If they were designed to be carried unloaded, they wouldn't need safeties.


My guns are always secured from my kids. They never have an opportunity to encounter them. It's just that in the unlikely event that I have an accidental discharge even though I take every necessary safety precaution, if it accidentally hit one of my kids, I don't think I could live with myself. I'm not a guy who has been carrying for 20 years, and my opinion may change as I gain more experience, but for now I'll risk the empty chamber.