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Price of lead (And price of bullets?) going to go up?


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#1 TankerHC

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:45 AM

The EPA has run the only lead smelter (Lead used by Federal, Lake City and others) out of the COuntry.

 

The last remaining lead smelter, in Herculaneum MO, is closing down.  This will undoubtedly affect the price of lead, since the lead that is mined in Viburnum MO will now be sent out of the US for smelting.

Missouri’s Lead Belt has been the primary source of lead for the US since 1700.  A lead smelter has been in operation in Herculaneum since 1892.  This is why Lake City, Federal, and other ammunition companies have been located in the region.  The recent articles on shot towers don’t really apply to the ammunition industry that existed on the bluffs of the Mississippi river, since no tower was needed.  The top of the ‘shot tower’ was simply an overhang by the river.

The EPA’s new clean air rules would require a $100 million dollar investment in new equipment.  As such, the Doe Run Company has decided to close the site.

 

 

 

Almost all lead now coming from China, Australia and Peru.

 

 

http://www.thefirear...er-usa-closing/

 



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:46 AM

I read this yesterday as well. Aside from the cost of ammo going up, I couldn't help but wonder if one day this will bite our military by putting us at a disadvantage in production capabilities. 



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:57 AM

Not to mention the cost of everything else made using lead. The electronics industry is probably the biggest user of lead. Or the battery industry. Another instance where our country will have to rely on another.

 

I contacted Doe Run last year about buying lead. Their prices were better than anyone else and they guaranteed the alloy.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:15 PM



Not to mention the cost of everything else made using lead. The electronics industry is probably the biggest user of lead. Or the battery industry. Another instance where our country will have to rely on another.

 

I contacted Doe Run last year about buying lead. Their prices were better than anyone else and they guaranteed the alloy.

 

 

Is purchasing lead from them still an available option Gordon? Or have they already shut down folks?

 

You know, Ross Perot warned us of this type of thing many years ago. NAFTA, CAFTA, and GAT...but I didn't see this particular route of loosing our manufacturing base in the U.S.A.

We're in trouble folks.(understatement intentional). :2cents:


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:32 PM

We thought the ammo shortages this past year was bad. What happens when its all made offshore and "someone" stops exporting. Oh crap, here we go again.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:36 PM

I make no claims to be a prophet but I've been saying this for the last decade.
....all the while ferreting away my lead stores.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 12:47 PM

We thought the ammo shortages this past year was bad. What happens when its all made offshore and "someone" stops exporting. Oh crap, here we go again.its already happening



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:23 PM

     I respect you all and love this community, so I'll offer my 2c - none of this is directed at any one person, but it is a reflection of answering my own personal initial reactions (which seem to match most of us here).

   

     This story makes me sad in some ways; however, this is old news.  The decision to close the plant was made long ago, and the decision not to re-build was announced in June, and.... and... while enevitably not good for ammo-land, juicing up scare-talk instead of searching for solutions is just going to make ammo more scarce.  Anyone want to look up the situation of our lead stores surplus?  We need to be funding solutions (politcal?), ... and running to walmart to buy up overpriced federal 62gr is not a solution, it is a reaction.   If we all stay scared and jittery about our ammo all the time.. we'll seem like the crazies some folks want to see.

 

2014 is coming, and we had better be talking about the economy, the economy, the economy (things to which even non-gun-owners can relate!)(the fed's should have subsidized the plant to meet the requirements - for economic and national security interests).  Bill Clinton's montra just might be the savior of conservative politics in the USA.

 

It is bad for a nation to be without a primary lead smelter "in-country", and this stinks for those that are loosing their jobs, but this is good for the health of the families in and around that town, period.  

     Anytime we mention this to left-leaners, middle-minded, or even far-out-ocrats, we had better have our facts straight about lead-poisoning, and lead-exposure to children - and be willing to acknowledge the full spectrum of effects of decisions like these.  Failling to care about - or even denying that this plant had serious health consequences for the families in that town makes us look like:

1) morons

2) morons who don't give a crap about children, and

3) morons who are self-obsessed over our own (seemingly narrow) concerns.  

 

People do not look to #s 1, 2, & 3 for leadership or influence.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:19 PM

I could agree with you. Peace, if this were a perfect world. But it isn't. Not by a long shot. The fact remains that a lot of manufacturers got their lead from that facility. Because of EPA regulations it is cost prohibitive to stay in business. One of the things the EPA has been after for years and has been repeatedly shot down is a ban on lead bullets. That production of lead no longer exists in this country. Here's a prediction. The cost of buying lead that has been shipped overseas for smelting and returned will make bullets more costly to manufacture in the US. As a result production of ammo will be moved probably to China for most of the big manufacturers. Companies like DRT are not going to be able to compete. As far as the economy it should by now be perfectly clear, especially with Obama being reelected while the economy was on a downward spiral, the economy doesn't matter to those who vote. Forget the economy. The focus needs to be on "Why" we were the Country we once were. The complete message needs to be brought to the American people. I only know of two men capable of doing it and Cruz isn't one of them. Cruz, even if he were eligible constitutionally, is now damaged goods thanks to our very own Republican Party, and doesn't stand a chance against Hillary Clinton. If Cruz gets the nomination in 2016 and focuses on the economy, we're done. If a big turnover doesn't happen November 14, and if the focus is on the economy it won't happen, then we won't need to be concerned about who will be the next President. That will be a forgone conclusion.

Everyone needs to get their non voting friends and family to the polls in 14 and 16. It is the ONLY way we are going to take back the country short of the other alternative. And that other alternative would not be pretty, for anyone.


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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:01 PM

As a result production of ammo will be moved probably to China for most of the big manufacturers.

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I dont think guns or ammo can be imported from china. I may be wrong but I think it was banned in the early 90s



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:14 PM

I dont think guns or ammo can be imported from china. I may be wrong but I think it was banned in the early 90s

 

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:29 PM

If anyone is interested, government liquidation often has bulk lead for bid. It's usually located at one of the ship yards. I have not followed any of the bid lots as they are usually pretty large.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:37 PM

Speaking from the electronics industry lead is pretty much only used in circuit boards for the military any more look up ROHS & yeah the lead free stuff is not as reliable

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:40 PM

check out E bay for cheap sailboats.  most...but not all have lead keels  There was one on recently that had 1800 pounds of lead and sold...the whole boat...for under five hundred dollars.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:53 PM

check out E bay for cheap sailboats.  most...but not all have lead keels  There was one on recently that had 1800 pounds of lead and sold...the whole boat...for under five hundred dollars.

For that matter, pick up a copy of Wooden Boat magazine at your local bookstore.  There's a whole section in the back of "free boats".  Some are projects.  Some are salvage that people are looking to get rid of. 



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 07:01 PM

It only requires the stroke of a single pen.

Right, but I doubt it would ever get reversed.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 07:48 PM

Well to add insult to injury has anyone given thought to how much lead is use in all of the MRI hospital equipment and how often it needs to be replaced and how will that also drive up the cost of the use of MRI tests in hospitals. Also all of the big push to create more fuel efficient automobiles which have become battery powered which demands a lead base in most of them will become to expensive for anyone to purchase as if they are not close to that already.  There are many many uses for lead far beyond Ammunition................jmho  



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:24 PM

Is purchasing lead from them still an available option Gordon? Or have they already shut down folks?

 

You know, Ross Perot warned us of this type of thing many years ago. NAFTA, CAFTA, and GAT...but I didn't see this particular route of loosing our manufacturing base in the U.S.A.

We're in trouble folks.(understatement intentional). :2cents:

No clue. last year when I contacted them they were selling it for $1 a pound in any alloy I wanted. Problem was it had to be a 2,000 pound order and I had to cover shipping. At the time I was getting lead pretty regularly so I never gave it a second thought. They were also the largest lead acid battery recycler in the US.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:42 PM

Thank you Gordon. That's kinda what I figured. Man...shipping would be a bugger!

 

I looked at their website, but wasn't able to glean much from it.

 

 

Competition for lead wheel-weights in my area of Knoxville is pretty tough, and I imagine it'll only get worse for all of us as time goes by.

 

I need to just keep gathering where I can and certainly plan to add more Falcon bullets to my supply... 



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 10:56 PM

Competition for wheel weights is tough anywhere you go these days but many of the wheel weights used today are made from an alloy and not lead which makes it even harder to find even babbit lead........jmho