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A good question in your mind does not always translate to someone hitting the green up arrow. Does anyone even pay attention to their rating? I honestly had never looked at mine until just now

We ARE in Tennessee. It almost never hurts to slip somebody a 20.

I demand a recount!!! You ARE disagreeable and you have twice the count I do. You are obviously performing some "special" favors for the person counting the reputation points. Who is that these days? TGO David? MacGyver? I demand to know because I want to be as popular as you. Dolomite

I think there are about three or four guys who actually knew how it worked and they kept plus oneing each other.

Awwww man... Are we turning the thread gay? Hang on... (exits race-war-preparedness bunker to retrieve queer stomping boots)Okay, I'm ready. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Ste..... dammit, NBP Party guerrillas just breached my triple strand on the NW corner of the perimeter. Gotta go set off inner ring claymores. I'll have to get back to this topic later.

Must be the Ron Paul comments

I use them some, when there's a great (in my view) post. I also zero out a lot of -1's when folks don't deserve it (also in my view).

I never gave it a thought until I read this post. Now I'm upset! Mike.357 is kicking my rear end!

I just now really found out what them little "icons" are and don't know how they work....

If retailers are offering you the convenience of paying via credit card, and it costs them more to do so, why should they not pass that expense on to you? Don't like it? Pay cash.

At least there's an up AND a down arrow here...Facebook really needs a "Dislike" button. How else are people gonna know they're idiots? Their friends aren't gonna tell 'em.

That's what we're seeing in Europe, sans the immigration part. Now that half the households in the US get some kind of federal money and almost the same % pay no federal income tax, we've become very similar. As has been mentioned, the worse the economy becomes because of Dem socialist policies, the more the fix is in for the Dems as more folks join the payroll. Just like Greece and France, the US citizenry just isn't willing to bear any pain at all, so everything keeps getting postponed until The Big Pain happens for all. On the bright side, I actually do have some confidence that Romney with a GOP House and Senate could actually make a significant difference in our decline. On the dark side, as you opine, I imagine that the public will not stand steadfast with them long enough to make that difference, and will trot right back to the Sugar Daddy Party at the first sign of discomfort. So in that regard I think our course may well indeed be set in stone to a degree that simply won't be changed until that Big Pain happens, but at least we might be able to retain significantly more personal freedom the longer we can stave off these damn communists, and at least be in a position to reclaim the country from the ashes rather than live an interminable slavish existence in them. - OS

I sure didn't know all this!

Maybe we can have a "bump you Rep Points" thread like we used to have the "bump you post count" threads.

Heheh I just bumped you up one.

I've had to vote for self-claimed Christians all my life, so have no real prob voting for a Mormon, a sect that merely adds an additional layer of lunacy atop the Christ story itself. And though you meant it as a joke, will indeed be easier than having had to pull the lever for Pope Boy. - OS

A friend that make signs was making a gun buster sign for a business in Jefferson city. ( I will name the business later, if and when it is put up.) Anyway, I asked why the place was putting up the sign. The sign maker told me someone was open carrying at the business and it freaked out the owners. I don't know if someone complained first or what. This is all I know at this time. Is open carry really worth freaking out people that don't know any better? If the story is true then I say it isn't worth risking open carry if it causes stores to post. How many stores post the sign that don't know/care anything about gun rights? Doing what they perceive as the right thing. I am curious how the person carrying acted, or what he may have said. This kinda floated around my head today and it needed out.

Ya think it may be folks pushing back over all the BS surrounding that story? I don't agree with it either, but DO understand why they came about.

Heh. I "open-carried" a cap-and-ball revolver to school in Junior High on "Cowboy Day" once. I had the Principal's permission beforehand, too, It wasn't loaded, of course. And I was a straight-A student with an exemplary record. And it was a small, rural town. And it was a quarter-century ago..... I have to stop now. I'm getting depressed.

That is correct. However, I am holding onto a sliver of hope that Romney and the right kind of GOP majority will be able to make dramatic improvements, thereby staving off disaster. If Obama gets a second term, I don't think we really have to worry about the SCOTUS because our fiscal situation is going to destroy this country. Our current debt at the end of this year ($16.6 T) is almost impossible to pay back. Increasing our debt by $1.4 T per year (although it will be higher once Obamacare kicks in) for another four years puts the final nail in the coffin. It is sad when you think that at the end of Bush's term our debt was roughly $10 T. If Obama wins a second term, our debt at the end of his term will be $23 T or higher. For whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee. Unless Romney (assuming he wins) and the gang can work some magic, it really is over. When the "Big Pain" happens, I don't think we will be able to recover. I am somewhat expecting global carnage on a biblical scale.

My 10 pointer... My 15 year old daughter's 12 pointer...

This is like the reputation bump thread.

They were giving you time to reconsider the Taurus. - OS

The punishment does not fit the crime.

Yep. There is never a justification for warning shots. EVER! If the situation warrants you discharging a firearm, you better be shooting at the threat. The fact that she did not fire at him shows me that she was not in fear of her life or serious injury. Therefore, she should not have fired. She played a stupid game, and is getting a stupid prize. However, 20 years for this is quite ridiculous.

My wife's Savage 99 also likes the Remington 100gr load. I got lucky and found seven boxes at a flea market last year. Before that, my experience was that it liked 87gr bullets a lot more than heavier ones. The 100gr load I got best results with was 34.4gr of IMR 4064 topped with a Sierra 100gr GameKing BTSP at over 2700fps. I would suggest only boat-tail 100gr bullets. I never got a flat-base bullet over 90gr to group worthwhile.

I too wondered what those buttons were for the longest time, then I realized I had a reputation and it didn't go up by magic.

LEO turn ins are notorious for a rough finish, yet rarely fired condition. Years of banging around in a holster on car doors and donut shop booths. If the action works correctly, and the forcing cone isn;t cracked, jump on it. I would suggest you not shoot a steady diet of 125 grain loads in a K frame 357. 158 grain loads will be fine, if you can stand them.

^ This. TGO, isn't a popularity contest, it's a place to ask questions, pick up information and exchange ideas (or at least that's the way I see it.) I further think that alot of folks never even think about voting a thread or a post up or down unless it's unusually wise, funny, informative or offensive. (I know I don't.) And, as WD-40 pointed out, some don't even know (or care) how. Bottom line, you have no power over what others think of you - it's what you think of yourself that counts. As for me, I think I'll have another cup of coffee.

Most of our dogs over the years have all been pre pound rescues. Max our St bernard was too much for the 2 bedroom 5 family member apt that the prev owners had so we didn't want to see him go to the pound and took him in. On another note about Animals. If you have seen the news recently you might have seen the piece on Ashley Judd and her helping out Walter the pooch. Walter was a frail little pooch that was thrown from a vehicle by some A$$hats that do not deserve the air they breath. Walter did pass on this morning from his injuries. I would love 3 min alone with the people that could do this to a animal!

zort...another vote for Obama.

And be put in general population.

Of course it is I'm a conservative!

I've bought a couple of guns from http://www.jetguns.com/ and they don't charge and CC fee. Good prices too!

It isn't a standard practice, but it is common amongst small companies, ranging from restaurants, service, etc. Go and look at the books at businesses with 30 or less employees, and compare that with actual observed transactions, and you'll see that many evade taxes through cash sales. Small businesses generally don't have the revenue to get them audited or thrown in the federal pen (I'm assuming that's what PMITAP might stand for). But having been around sole-proprietorships all my life, its just something that you see all the time.

I used to have my own business and I never charged extra for customers that paid with credit card. Now, local customers knew that if they paid me cash, I would make more profit, and the good customers would opt to do that. But I didn't think it was fair to have a different price based on how customers paid me. Some may say this is not smart business practice, but I went into business for the customer, not just for me. So, I too, dislike when a posted price is a "cash price" and if I want to use my credit card, then I have to pay extra. A business should know that if they want to make up that 3% loss, then just sell more items. I shouldn't have to walk around with hundreds of dollars on me at all times to buy items in cash, nor should I have to continually make trips to the post office to buy money orders if I want to buy from an online vendor that does the same thing. I'm not sure why many gun sellers do this. I think it is shady.

That fee dosn't bother me. I can avoid it by paying cash. I get peeved at senior citizens', law enforcement, etc. discounts. I also dislike stores that charge one price, but another price if you have this card, and this price if you're a super duper gold plus member.

Mongoose? Ducks? Honey Badger!

I agree it sucks, but I don't consider it a rip off. It is a legitimate fee that I feel shouldn't be passed on to the buyer, however. Credit card companies do charge the seller a 3% fee on every purchase run through their credit company. If you don't pay with a card you don't have to pay that fee. Vedors don't add that 3% for cash & check customers to save money for the customers that aren't using a card. Also, some vendors don't charge the extra 3% if you're using a debit card, but not all will do that & it depends on what credit company the vedor uses too. My LGS doesn't charge any extra fees, but their prices are already higher than a kite to begin with. All I can say is haggle, haggle, haggle!

I think he is going to try the commerical stuff first, I told him he needed some rat shot in a revolver.

Fire. Lots and lots of fire.

Don't think it's "forced." The guy is just holding the stick out in front of him. Don't think I'd hold it right next to me if I had the sob on it, either!

I have tried to sell a rifle. Axing price is 650, its a fair price. I inevitably get someone saying i will give you 600, i countered with how about 700. Kinda figured it was fair. Why does a prospective buyer feel it is okay to lowball you? I love the look on their faces when i counter with a higher price. People are morons and i hate dealing with them.

Its not just the parent though. My parents were very, very good. And, in the end, I turned out OK as well. But as a teenager, did they really know what I was doing 24-7? No. At some point, 13, 15, 17, a teen begins to be places they should not, doing those things they should not. I did them, most of us did. Rob someone with a gun, no that never crossed my mind, never thought of going off to hurt someone or even damage property, but we did plenty of things that had our parents (or other adults) known would have been "bad" (for us, only victims would have been ourselves!). Thing is, my parents thought they knew where I was, who was there, and what I was doing. Often, they only had the 1 thing right (who I was with). We often found the means to go out and about, and do stuff. Its not their fault for not knowing where we were.... its darn near impossible to do that with a teen unless you lock them in a cage. Which leads to this pretty basic but ugly truth: some people are just no good. Good parents, decent lifestyle, no reason to turn bad, but they do. Other kids have everything against them, and turn out to be productive, well adjusted and great people. Parents are a HUGE factor, but there are plenty of times when good parents produce sorry offspring. Can't blame the parents in every case. In this case? Maybe, maybe not, there isnt enough to say. Sounds like he WAS a good kid. It only takes a few min of peer pressure from the local low-downs to undo a decade of parenting --- and that happens all too often. It only takes screwing up once to get caught and ruin your life, or end it. Was this the first time, or the 100th? In the end, it does not matter.

what does being a mormon have to do with it? I am not understanding that at all. Does every president have to be a methodist or other generic christian denomination? And I would dare say most presidents are as about as christian as I am, but they put on a show to get votes.

Nice M&P. As has been said, if you can swing it, keep yours and buy the Sig outright. After 30 years of buying guns, I still regret every one I've sold or traded to get something else. I know it's your choice and your money, but consider it. Especially since the RIA is so new to you, at least that's my take on it. Good Luck.

Stolen from elsewhere From http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc503.html "Taxes and fees you cannot deduct on Schedule A include Federal income taxes, social security taxes, stamp taxes, or transfer taxes on the sale of property, homeowner's association fees, estate and inheritance taxes and service charges for water, sewer, or trash collection. You may be subject to a limit on some of your itemized deductions including nonbusiness taxes. Please refer to the Form 1040 Instructions for the limitations based on the adjusted gross income."

The signage is simply a way for a business/property owner to make his policy known to the public and a business/property could post such signs whether there was any specific language in the code regarding a "firearm's sign" or not. I agree that the "special" criminal charge for HCP holders currently associated with such as sign may be "unconstitutional" but even if it is, I don't think we'll ever get very far with changing the law simply by crying that it's "unconstitutional". A couple of weeks ago, the question of controlling trespassing/soliciting came up in our Neighborhood Watch meeting - I don't know if it's true throughout the state but both the sheriff's deputy and the police lieutenant who came to our meeting stated that if we, as individual home owners, post our property with "no trespassing" or "no soliciting" signs then anyone who does trespass or solicits has already, technically, committed a crime. However, no such crime has been committed on a property that isn't so posted until/unless the homeowner tells the person to lave and they don't. I see a "no firearms" sign in the same light - when you see a no firearms sign at the doorway to a business you are, in my mind, already guilty of criminal trespass because you already know you aren't supposed to be there and you intentionally entered the business anyway and such would be true whether there was any special verbage in the code about "firearms" or not. Now, as a practical matter, whether it's a solicitor or a HCP holder carrying past a sign, I think it unlikely in the extreme that law enforcement is going to arrest anyone for criminal trespass unless the person makes a fuss/refuses to leave. However, I still think such a person has already broken the law because, except for circumstances where the government has said otherwise, a business owner/property owner has the very basic right to control what happens on/in his property. Moreover, whether or not a person thinks their right to carry is "more important" than the rights of a property owner why would you walk into a business and give your custom to a business that obviously doesn't support your 2ND Amendment rights? I live by the motto that if my gun is welcome then my money isn't welcome either.

What is sad is that the law doesn't already protect business owners from being libel for one customer hurting another. I kinda understand if an employee hurts a customer, but even that has issues. What happened to a PERSON being libel for THEIR actions, instead of everyone else being libel? It's like how every gun owner is somehow libel for every criminal's use of a firearm.

Goes to prove, One person can make a difference.