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  1. Sandra Fluke is a fraud. She is nothing more than your typical feminist.
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  2. I am sure I could build a target that my desert eagle could drop but your 45 could not. Its all relative. Then we could do the same to prove that you need a 50 caliber bmg... metal plates do not mean much. I could throw a brick or even a baseball at that target where the 9mm failed and knock it down .... but I would rather have a 9mm. This demonstration seems to fail the common sense test, in other words, and I would not put too much faith into such a setup. I really question people that make a demo like this, I think such things do more harm than good. It just confuses the issue. In the end, its all compromise. Penetration, energy, momentum, gun size, .... blah blah something has to give, and each person has to pick from what is out there and what they can handle, conceal, etc. I would most like to have my 223 pistol if I have to get into a gunfight with a handgun. But its difficult to carry, so I probaly will not have it if something happens to me. Instead I will have something much smaller, lower cap, and shorter range.... thats just how it is for anyone not wanting to spend a lot of time talking to the police
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  3. Would banning umbrellas end rain?
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  4. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Joe+Kittenger&view=detail&mid=28B510079439DF7A21BB28B510079439DF7A21BB&first=0&FORM=LKVR10
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  5. De Tocqueville's perhaps most famous quote looms ever and ever more visionary: "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
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  6. Well, I really don't have a problem with the existence of these programs, but have huge issues with the way they are administered. The intent is that they are a "hand-up", not a way of life. I am all for helping folks out of a bad situation. I believe that the larger issue is that of money management. I have done a little volunteer work for our church to help repair the homes of those supposedly in need. It is really frustrating to spend a weekend giving of your time to repair the home of someone who has a newer car and larger TV than you do. We spend a tremendous amount of money each year to educate the youth of America, and little attention is paid to the topics that really meet the intended outcome of an "educated populace". Just a shame that basic civics and fiscal responsibility are not part of the core competency requirements. I believe that those receiving public assistance should be required to attend some type of financial management course.
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  7. Problem is that pistols simply do not have the kind of energy to make that matter. A .308 has 2800 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. A .45 has about 400 to 450. A 9+p has between 375 and 425. The 40SW has between 400 and 450. Really not that much difference in pistol calibers...but the rifle is off the charts compared to them. Unfortunately we often assign a mental "score" to .45 as being at or near 100 with all other pistols falling in somewhere behind. Does that then mean that if a .45 is a "97" that a 308 is a "450" or a "630"??? Comparing pistols that deliver within 75 lbs the same energy is like comparing who can hit harder?...A 7 year old or an 8 year? Or who is stronger? The guy who can do 100 pushups or the guy that can only do 95.....they are so close in performance it really does not matter. Add in the .308 and we would have to make the those 7 and 8 year olds punch it out with Evander Holifield.That is a performance difference that matters.....but 45 does not deliver 2800 lbs of energy..... BUt for some reason we assign high numbers to .45. When in reality when we include rifles the .45 now probably should score about .....45 to 50..... with rifles scoring near 100. But if a .308 won't stop EVERYONE......even though it delivers SEVEN TIMES the energy a .45 does.....then we see that maybe pistols don't do the damage from the ENERGY, but from what internal structures they hit. Just for comparison....a professional boxer will punch with between 800 and 1000 lbs of energy yet they do not knock down everyone they punch do they? It about what? Placement? A punch to someone's elbow is unlikely knock them down. A punch to the corner of their jaw may cause the requisite "brain shake" to make them drop to the floor. But even with punches it is placement , not energy.......guys...the ENERGY in pistols is NOT what does the damage. Five things stop people. 1. FEAR (largely up to the victim as to how it effects them) 2. PAIN (largely up to the victim as to how it effects them) 3. Loss of blood pressure/loss of blood to the brain (leads to unconsciousness...that is how a choke hold works. Can keep fighting...until brain is deprived of enough blood) 4. Central nervous system shut down (victiom has NO say in the matter) 5. Damage to spine (paralysis is hard to overcome) Of those 5 the top 2 are up to the victim to some degree. Most stops are in fact psychological. People CHOOSE to stop most of the time. The other 3 all require bullets going deep enough to damage major blood bearing vessels or hit the spine or brain. Pistols just simply do not have the kind of energy that a rifle does. That is scientifically measurable.As one fellow once said...."pistol bullets poke holes...rifle bullets tear 'stuff' up". In fact a .45 auto has about the same energy as a baseball dropped from 12 feet has. But talking about that scientifically measureable subject wouldn't sell many gun magazines would it? If you hit them somewhere important , and hit them a lot , it really does not matter what you hit them with as long as it penetrates deep enough to hit major blood bearing organs or the brain or spine.....holes in hearts, spines , and brains are still holes in hearts spines and brains...no matter what made them.
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  8. I understand what you're saying, but according to the families that wasn't the point...
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  9. A tactical bamboo back-scratcher and a jar of peppermints.
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  10. Two more for Paul at this house... I look at it this way. BO is driving the country straight to hell. Every other Republican candidate is arguing which route to hell the country should take. RP is the only one that wants to go to Disneyland instead.
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  11. +1.....walk before you run. Any gun is better than what she has been carrying, right? Let her grow into it. IF she decides she wants something else, and it is her idea, then do it then, not now.
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  12. Slow steps. Remember she hated the idea of shooting before, so gently guide her. If she wants the 25, go with it. In time, if she sticks with it, she'll graduate to calibers worth carrying. The worst thing you can do is try to force a woman to do ANYTHING.
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  13. Get her what she wants...after a while, she may well want something with a bit more power but be thankful she is at least willing to carry something! These small caliber guns may not have the stopping power you would want here to have but at the same time, no one with any sense is going to want to get shot with any caliber.
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  14. well good, I am glad it is not racist then. Are there names for other people of color?
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