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I'm not even going to read the story. I just can't take reading any more about bad things happening to kids. I'm just gonna go hug my two little ones and thank God they're safe and healthy.

I think politics in general is unethical.

I saw the title of this thread and wondered what jackhole called Chuck Yeager a coward. I was about to get a case of the ass.

[quote name='~48_South~' timestamp='1354944471' post='856804']Im sorry but if some sh*t face took a pop shot at you from 800 meters with an AK47 while your cruising around in a armored Humvee you have no clue as to what Yeager or any of the men on that team were experiencing that day and should stfu and go back to lying to everyone about how you were Chuck Norris and how much ass you kicked over there rather than the truth which is how you sat on your ass playing Call of Duty on xbox most of the day[/quote] I rock the hell outa some COD on XBOX. That is one of the best parts about being deployed. Yeager is still a douche.

Was he suppose to stand there and get shot in the head while searching to figure out where they were taking fire from or was he suppose to lay down beside the car and hope they eventually stop shooting at the giant target in the road or was he suppose to just start spraying wildly into the distance like RAMBO,could be wrong but dont remember anyone on the teams packing a 240 or 249 so suppressive fire at distance with AR's,AK's,and or definitely MP5's when you have no clue where you are taking fire from likely wont count for jack. So what did he do wrong yep put the car in neutral what a IDIOT I mean we all know when your unarmored car starts getting blasted with rounds and you throw it in gear and punch the gas that and it doesnt go anywhere you should instantly stop check and make sure its not in neutral because we all know bullets cant effect whether a car runs properly or not.....and what if he had done it right and got it in gear for sure the driver of the rear car was taken out instantly,so if he "Did what he should have done" he would have drove off and left his team behind. As far as him laying in the median,yeah sooooo he put distance between himself and the giant target identifiers scattered all over the road, a smart move imo when you are trying to actually survive,ok well he laid in the median"Longer than he should have" maybe he was still trying to get eyes on the enemy so he could put down accurate fire, I mean us smart people know that the break in fire couldnt have simply been due to the enemy fumbling around reloading a PKM or RPD,Yeager is a fool for not knowing the lack of fire means the bad guys are retreating. Sure most of the team instantly stopped what they were doing and immediately started attending to the wounded,and they call Yeager a coward for not doing the same,however it seems as though you would want someone to keep their eyes open for movement incase another spamming of lead and copper may be heading your way, then again Im not on Seal Team 6 so wtf do I know. Others simply dont like Yeager because he doesnt accept responsibility, responsibility for what accidentally putting the car in neutral or the deaths of men on his team,did putting the car in neutral cause lives to be lost or where they already done, if he had started to drive off would he of had to come back for the rear car putting his men in more danger for a longer duration since they all would still infact be inside the unarmored car? I really dont know do you know,I mean Im not sure what the protocol is for contractors under heavy fire in a convoy, if a vehicle goes down are the other vehicles suppose to just drive off and leave the other guys behind or are they suppose to stop and fight,once again I dont know however I highly doubt you are suppose to leave part of your team behind which in this case Yeagers mistake is null and void seeing as how the rear car went down almost instantly and Yeagers mistakingly putting his car in neutral and thinking it was out of service caused him to bail thus causing everyone else to bail could possibly have actually accidentally saved lives(Including his own), not saying it did but it is possible. The way I see it he was a fat cop that was not properly trained for the situation he was presented with at the time of his deployment,it is my understanding at the time the requirements for working as a contractor werent near as strict as they seem to be now. In which case the loss of life and outcome of the situation ultimately would fall on the shoulders of whoever was in charge of selection rather than the people selected themselves imo. I know it sounds like I am a Yeager fanboy,but seeing soooo many people talk of how they have been shot at(Not referring to anyone here) and this and that and judging him calling everything he did mistakes drives me insane. Im sorry but if some sh*t face took a pop shot at you from 800 meters with an AK47 while your cruising around in a armored Humvee you have no clue as to what Yeager or any of the men on that team were experiencing that day and should stfu and go back to lying to everyone about how you were Chuck Norris and how much ass you kicked over there rather than the truth which is how you sat on your ass playing Call of Duty on xbox most of the day(Actually know several soldiers personally that do and did this). Now there are others who have actually gone through similar situations and or worse and have managed to perform almost perfectly,but at the end of the day we are all different and will all respond differently to high stress situations. Is Yeager an Egomaniac?-For Sure Is Yeager a Blowhard?-Imo Yes Would Yeager be my first choice for training?-Definitely Not Does Yeager give some useful advice?-Sure does In the end I like him, sure I dont know him personally and if I had to spend any real amount of time around him Im sure we would probably end up with some fist flying, but I like how raw he is. I respect his idgaf attitude and the way he seems to stick to his guns ,compared to others on youtube his channel is very different and in a way somewhat refreshing to me since he is so far from the norm. Everything above is simply my opinion on him from the somewhat limited amount of research I have done on him in the past and watching the "coward"video. I am not in the forces and have never been ambushed by anything more than a swarm of gnats so my opinion on this matter is really just invalid and a waste of time.

[quote name='Hershmeister' timestamp='1355018353' post='857052'] It gives you ironclad guarantee that you met the legal requirements and can assist the popo if needed. [/quote] What legal requirements are those? All that's required is that you don't have reason to believe that the buyer can't legally own it, don't suspect a straw purchase, and they're a TN resident. I wouldn't use "ironcald" to describe a BOS, or anything else printed off the Internet. If you want "ironclad" do it via FFL. Nothing short of that comes close.

It’s pretty black and white to me. If a cop thinks your drinking is an issue and you are carrying a gun; it’s a problem. As Pain103 points out there is no BAC limit requirement. And even if there was a BAC limit most people have no idea what a .08 is. The OP asked a question and the answer is… No it’s not okay. Transport it the same as if you didn’t have a permit; unloaded and inaccessible.

[quote name='Oh Shoot' timestamp='1355013582' post='857026'] . So all in all, I'd feel rather nervous myself if my breath even smelled of drinking near beer, and probably wouldn't even do that and carry (or drive). Who needs the possible hassle even if not convicted, eh? - OS[/quote] This was my point all along, of course it's not worth the risk, but it's not black and white.

If I shoot someone in my house, I'm calling "crime stoppers". I want the $1,000.00" reward for "stopping a crime"! Dave S

[quote name='Lumber_Jack' timestamp='1354997782' post='856943'] ....In all reality. You can carry AFTER having a beer, just not WHILE having a beer in a restaurant. but that's a personal choice. [/quote] [quote name='Pain103' timestamp='1354999387' post='856953'] That's incorrect. TCA 39-17-1321 (a) covers possession of handgun under the influence. 39-17-1321b subsection applies to drinking while in an establishment while armed. You can't be in possession of the handgun while under the influence. There is no per se influence level for this statute like DUI has a per se level of .08 BAC. I don't even risk it. If I'm going to have a drink the gun stays at home. [/quote] Of course, you're both correct. According to TCA, the only time you are immediately irrefutably guilty re mixing booze and carry is in a public establishment and you have even one sip of one alcoholic drink. But yes, possession under the influence is certainly just another gray area in TCA -- if push came to shove, you might get off with a BAC under .08 argued as a reasonable standard, or you might not. Certainly there's nothing in the carry laws to support either guess. There's also no requirement for a BAC to even be taken. To further complicate things, IF you violate the drinking in a public establishment, AND are determined to be under the influence, then besides other sentencing you lose your HCP for three years (even though you'd lose it for the duration of the sentence of the Class A misdemeanor anyway -- another unspecified part of the statute is whether the 3 years suspension is in addition to the Class A 'meanor suspension). So all in all, I'd feel rather nervous myself if my breath even smelled of drinking near beer, and won't even do that and carry (or drive). Who needs the possible hassle even if not convicted, eh? - OS

He has a plan, but not a clue.

[quote name='DaddyO' timestamp='1355007938' post='856992'] I can't imagine having to live with something like this for the rest of my life. [/quote] That would be a heck of a thing to have to deal with! Prayers go out to all involved! Dave S

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I appreciate some of the should or shouldn't do it replies but Honestly, I don't understand how some of you justify owning a firearm Much less carry one in if you are that worried about lawsuits.

Ever since listening to Weird Al, I've liked polka parodies: [media]http://youtu.be/yv59SiF333s[/media]

Just thought this was a very neat photo: [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Hand-cranked_knife_sharpener.jpg[/img]

Moped, you are right on 2 packs. I don't expect my wife to be able to carry much. I had a plan for a second smaller pack for her. Looking over what I have done in the past, has really been a Get Home Back. I like some of what Lester pointed out and I do believe having a larger then I need pack even if I don't need all the extra room is a good idea. (better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it). I have been looking over routes if I had to travel by foot and figuring time. I would really need to establish a cache along the way or live off the land to get to where I would really want to get too. (on top of all that, I really need to get in better shape.) Lose 20 pounds and it would be easier to carry 20 pounds.

throw it in the trash and think about it no further. It is not a nuclear bomb yanno.

Ever heard that saying about people might think that you are stupid if you don't say anything, or you can open your mouth and remove all doubt. I think that applies to Mr. Costas here. Stick to Football Bob, leave the guns to us.

That’s really kind of sad; the guy doesn’t seem to know much but has decided to do YouTube training videos. At least he’s attempted to be prepared. I’ve seen his videos before; he drives me nuts with the notes, and continually looking at his watch. He won’t be winning any video awards. [img]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/TourGlide/Web%20Stuff/biggrin.gif[/img]

The dude needs a wife. Making videos alone, ........He needs a companion besides a little dog with a steps to his bed.

Put it in the microwave. It will loosen the casing from the bullet and easily allow you to pull the bullet out with your teeth...

Hug it. squeeze it... and call it George.....

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1354937476' post='856753'] No that is not correct. If he hadnt chased TM down and scared him he would not be having to answer for his actions to a jury. [/quote]Chased him down? Where exactly did that "fact" come from? Followed him, or tried to follow him but I haven't heard any sources other than the Jackson/Sharpton crowd paid a picture of Zimmerman chasing Martin down.

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1354937093' post='856748'] I wouldn't have put myself or a neighbors innocent kid in that situation. If I did, and started getting my azz kicked, Im pretty sure I wouldn't make things worse by killing someone. [/quote]Innocent kid? Is there a third person in this case?

[quote name=RichardR' timestamp='13549hadn't' post='856743'] Zimmerman didn't cower in his truck, so obviously he's at fault for Martin violently attacking him. Because if Zimmerman had stayed in his truck, Martin would not have attacked him & thus would still be alive. That is the crux of the "Zimmerman is guilty" arguement is that correct? [/quote]No that is not correct. If he hadnt chased TM down and scared him he would not be having to answer for his actions to a jury.

Mine came in today. Got a needle file set, dental pick set, precision screw driver set, and a watchmakers hammer with interchangeable heads. All great gifts that ill get a lot of use out of. The best part is i was going to go to harbor freight tomorrow to pick up a small hammer (dog chewed the last one) and a needle file set. Santa just saved me a trip.

If you were on your back having your head beat on the concrete what would you do? Since so many seem to want to rehash all of this again, answer that question.

Very cool. As far as personal protective equipment man kind has survived without for years. I still forge without safety glasses, and I just accept the risk. Gotta get the job done somehow.

I don't care how this situation turns out. The end results won't make me feel like a winner or loser. I will only maintain that a individual has a right to walk down any public street thru any neighborhood regardless of his/her appearance. If you think that individual is up to no good, then allow our paid professional law enforcement to intervene and make that determination.

[quote name='peejman' timestamp='1354902086' post='856527'] TN resident at least 21 years old. , [/quote] As strange as it is they only have to be over the age of 18. I have known a few police officers and sheriff deputies under 21 that have had others buy their ammo though.

Should you call 911 after you kill an intruder?i mean its no longer an emergency. They have a number for non emergency calls.

Simple, just never sell a gun, just keep buying them

No you don't need to keep the receipt. Yes, you are one of the few people that worry about stuff like this. Stop over thinking this.

Hate to say it but if a customer filled out the card before buying it? Then the card was tore up? Smells as fishy as a bait shop to me. I never filled out a warranty card on anything until after I was at home.

[quote name='DaveTN' timestamp='1354840583' post='856131'] I think George Zimmerman may well be a racist and predatory villain, and I didn’t hear the edited version. Either this clown doesn’t listen to his attorneys, or he has the dumbest attorney’s in history. [/quote]Wow!

[quote name='TGO David' timestamp='1354306970' post='852995'] Does it really matter? Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. [/quote] So much for the gift horse.

[quote name='1morethan8' timestamp='1354835566' post='856083']Many of you may not know this, but believe me... some will. A soldier(or veteran) who runs his mouth telling everyone who will listen... just how smart they are, how bad ass they are, how many they've killed, how rough of a time they had,or how great they are... are total BS!! I know this for a fact. The ones who are the "real deal" don't say a word... because they don't have to. They want to forget... but can't.[/quote] "No sh**, there I was, in the Valley of Nodangtwat, surrounded by 3,000 Taliban fighters and all I had was an MRE spoon... Was I scared? You're damn right I was scared.... scared one of those little bastards would get away!" Seemed appropriate for this thread.

[quote name='TMF' timestamp='1354825907' post='856001'] Absolutely it is a bad trait. Not that I think of him as anything more that a war tourist, if I found myself in a situation where he would be the person watching my back I would would rather sit and watch radios. His attitude is the epitome of douchey tough guy which is what gets people killed; either because he discovers he isn't as tough as he thinks he is when the metal starts flying, or he does stupid stuff to get his fight on. He is bad news. Trust me, I've dealt with his kind before. They are dangerous in a combat zone. [/quote] Go sit on your hands in the TOC you!

[quote name='peejman' timestamp='1354741616' post='855370'] I don't ask much... just regulations that are clear and simple. Simplify the seasons, licenses, WMA permits, etc. [/quote] [quote name='TnShooter83' timestamp='1354766831' post='855588'] I'd settle for that. It's like it's encrypted and they aren't telling use how to decoded it to figure it all out. Plus the regulations are spread out all over the guide book. Maybe it's me and I'm just not smart enough to figure it all out THE FIRST TIME I READ IT. It takes me at least 3 times to figure it out. [/quote] [size=3]I have provided commentary on hunting regulations during every open call by TWRC over the last years, for the express purpose of simplification and applying common sense where possible. [/size] [size=3]Usually, I send 15-30 pages of comment (which covers the entire reg-guide section by section in detail) that takes me several weeks to prepare with thought and care.[/size] [size=3]In several cases, I have seen my suggestions implemented almost word for word, or have a concept embraced. In other cases, I have seen the TWRC moved exactly opposite of my viewpoints. Rarely have they actually condensed and simplified the regs, but some sections improve.[/size] [size=3]If you want your ideas heard (much less considered), I suggest keeping the following in mind -[/size] [size=3]- Understand and accept that with few exceptions, you are an "outsider" and not the responsible professional. Make an attempt to understand why the regulations are written as they exist. Change does not come willingly, and with TWRC....pretty much never by blunt trauma.[/size] [size=3]- Get to know your regional Public Information Officers, having open ended lines of questioning (on your issues) in pocket for conversational discussion during events, banquets, phone calls. In other words, let them teach you on their terms, and let them do what they love and do best in non-confrontational terms[/size] [size=3]- [u]*never*[/u] “burn” an officer, staffer, or commissioner with inside knowledge they may happen to provide. If it is shared privately, keep it to yourself.[/size] [size=3]- research your subjects, be aware of what other states are doing, and why. Be aware of pros, cons, limitations.[/size] [size=3]- approach regulatory changes from the point of stake-holder in Tennessee wildlife management, not as biased to your personal interests.[/size] [size=3]include a short cover letter providing details as to why you consider yourself a stake holder. E.G. lifetime licensed, hunter safety course, teaching your children (if your kid killed a deer for example, mention a few things on that), associations and interest groups.[/size] [size=3]Mention a point, something that in pleases you (example -. a specific habitat improvement that you have noted in the field, or positive encounter with TWRA staff). Encourage them (in your words) to continue the great job they are doing (and they are doing a great job under difficult environments and demands). Express appreciation for their participation in specific events that you have personally attended, for example wounded warrior hunts or jakes events.[/size] [size=3]Thank them for the opportunity to contribute,[/size] [size=3]Provide your contact details,[/size] [size=3]Then introduce your commentary. Hopefully you can include a thesis statement and executive summary.[/size] [size=3]In your commentary,[/size] [size=3]-unlike this post, [i]do not send your first draft![/i] Polish & revise over a week or so (even one-pagers).[/size] [size=3]-be considerate[/size] [size=3]- look professional, sound intelligent, use a clear easy to read format, use proper grammar and punctuation, correct words and correct spelling.[/size] [size=3]-It is submitted to public record, so avoid content that you will be ashamed to read in the paper or a web-site.[/size] [size=3]On a given issue at heart –[/size] [list] [*][size=3]Provide background; including current regulation with cites (don’t make TWRC look it up to read…they won’t have the time)[/size] [*][size=3]The issue itself[/size] [*][size=3]How to resolve (in general terms)[/size] [*][size=3]Any statistics, data, supporting information[/size] [*][size=3]Provide technical analysis, identify and acknowledge risk and suggest mitigation (if any)[/size] [*][size=3]Suggested language /content for the updated regulation[/size] [/list] [size=3]Copy your commentary to other stakeholders (TWRC, TWRA management, legislators, Governor). Good ideas are embraced, bad ideas are either improved upon or discarded – but no one reads your mind.[/size] [size=3]Do not be offended if you receive zero direct feedback. I have several hundred hours invested so far, and my only acknowledgement is a few of my sentences showing up verbatim in the reg-guide.[/size] [size=3]Do not be offended if someone disagrees with you (privately or publically). The call for input by TWRC is a public forum.[/size]

[quote name='Daniel' timestamp='1354771363' post='855615'] It has been more than some"one." I agree with Pole a few posts up. I have seen the video and besides the neutral bit which really doesnt matter in the end as the other two vehicles were mobility kills from the start his actions at the time werent the problem. It was the after the fact #### talking dead guys. [/quote] They were definitely in the killzone of a rehearsed ambush. Putting the lead car in neutral was fail one IMO. IIRC from the report, what was really scathing was the AAR/report saying that Yeager broke contact by himself without the element establishing some sort of fire superiority. He then positioned himself in such a manner that he was unable to effectively render supporting fires for his element (proned out on the median). He self admittedly had no idea where the contact was coming from and didn't do anything to address this. The other team members had to identify the distance, direction, and descriptions. Again, IMO - it's not that he ####ed up. That happens. Its the stuff that happened after the fact that damned him in many eyes. I don't MMQB guys in combat. I understand that things go sideways, sometimes in the worst way. But we need to be brutally self honest in the AAR's.....not passing the buck onto dead men. But Yeager will continue to be Yeager

Just once I want someone to die of a papercut sustained from a liberal publication so that we can call for a ban of such publications.

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