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    Wait, wait! You're missing the point!   How did we miss an estate sale that had 3 truck loads of guns?! :stunned:

Next, a picture with trains.

Man, I never even get an onion ring in my French Fry order.  How do these guys end up with awesome buys like this?

The guy was insight of agents, wasn’t armed, and was detained. He was not an immediate threat; had he became one I’m sure he would have been shot. I’m also sure had he been shot on the lawn, the same people that question why he wasn’t shot would be calling him an overzealous citizen and calling for the agents head.

I am surprised that we have not had a group open fire on crowds of innocents. I suspect a major assault, by a group of terrorists, is being planned but are looking for the ideal place to get the most bang for the buck. Another reason why I am surprised it has not happened it because of how easy our jails are and how lenient our courts are. They could kill dozens and as long as they plead guilty they would live out their lives in much better place than their homeland.   After it happens there will not be a call for more of the populace being armed for protection but a call for guns to be outlawed which we all know will never work. And because these types are going to use "assault weapons" there will be another round of scarcity and high prices afterwards.   My only hope is that there is someone armed to at least try to fight back when it does happen.

Guys and Gals,   if this one works out, I will continue, I have a couple planned for next year, Dave the owner of Pro Tech has gone out of his way for me to do these knives, they are the best company that I have ever dealt with,    Now in the Beginning these knives were promised to be delivered by Christmas, now if I have enough orders on the 15th of October, these should be delivered to you homes mid November or sooner.    I appreciate each and every one of you Gents for your support and I hope you all know that

Well, Roman is 7 months old now. Took him to the vet, he's healthy as a horse and trying to become one :rofl: He weighed in at a healthy 51 pounds and is doing great. Disclaimer: it's not as cute when he flies over the back of the recliner and tries to lay on my neck anymore LMAO!

Just a quick update here's a picture of Juice, he's 3 months old now and growing fast. Here's a picture of our latest addition Mandy she's an 8 week old Catahoula leopard dog we picked up Saturday. Here's a picture from Sunday after Juice and Mandy were tired from playing.

HIPOWER is right on the mark.   WILLIS68: I know exactly how you feel. I have initiated and facilitated literally hundreds of group-buys over the years for many things including amish beef jerky, amish smoked cheese, brazilian lump charcoal, guns, ammo, military surplus items, etc. etc. I have also planned and conducted a massive gun owner picnic in middle TN for several hundred folks with multiple dealer sponsors. In each case I spent at least 50-100 hours dealing with the planning, communications, sign up, payments, execution, and cleanup, and I did it all for the grand sum of $0.00, not even getting a free or discounted item for my trouble. In fact I usually end up being shorted on my own order because someone inevitably comes up short or complains about something and I give them something from my own order to make it right. Or in some cases I had to cover unexpected expenses out of my own pocket so I actually lost money on the deal. So it really sucks when you have invested so much effort and time (and perhaps some money too) for little or no personal gain, only to have the deal fall short in the final execution phase. At least in your case you are getting a few benefits from Pro-Tech for your trouble, and I hope that this is always the case since I fully respect the effort that goes into a deal like this.   There are a few things you may want to consider regarding this current group-buy, which might help to explain the lower participation and slower payment issues: We just recently completed a similar group-buy for the LG-101, so many members that would normally be interested may not have enough discretionary cash free to buy another high-end knife so soon. This is primarily a gun forum, so many of our members may have a limited interest in knives. This is especially true for high-end knives, some of which cost as much as a new or slightly used gun. Anyone with kids is likely still recovering from the back-to-school expenses and related expenditures such as clothing, sports, school events, fundraisers, second cars, etc. This Godfather knife is significantly more expensive than the recent LG-101, further limiting the audience including those who may really like it but just can't afford it, or those who aren't able to justify spending so much on a knife. Some folks may be reluctant to spend so much on a knife that they will rarely use, either because they don't normally carry a knife like this, and/or because these custom knives are so nice (and expensive) that we wouldn't want to mess them up by using them too much. I know that with my own LG-101 I love it and like to carry it / show it off, but I am loathe to actually use it for anything that might significantly damage or mar it, so it is mostly just a decorative accessory that will likely end up in my safe after the novelty wears off in a few months. TGO has also run a few other group-buys in recent past, including the CMT lowers in 5.56 and the soon-to-be-executed CMT lowers in 308. So some folks that might normally participate in a group-buy like this may have prioritized their funds for these other items first, and they can't afford to do them all. Some folks may be anticipating yet more TGO knife group-buys in the near future, and perhaps they are waiting for one of those models instead of the Godfather. Some folks may be waiting to pay until the absolute last minute, as they prefer to let their cash sit in their own back accounts until the deal is really ready to execute. I was in this boat until recently, and to be honest I only paid when I did because I felt that the deadline was really 9/15. If I had known it would be extended to 10/15 then I would have waited until the last week or so to pay. The delivery window is unspecified, only that we should have these before Christmas, and that is a pretty long time to wait for gratification after paying for an item like this. I know I am extremely anxious to get my knife already, and I was not too thrilled to hear of the payment deadline extension, because I had assumed that we would get the knifes much sooner than November or closer to Christmas. There are other factors too which I am sure would explain our current status, these were just the factors which came to mind quickly. So don't take it personally if the turnout and payments are not as high and as fast as you had hoped. Also, it would seem to me that Pro-Tech would be foolish to turn down the order even if we only hit 35-40 knifes total. That is still a lot of business and I am sure they are making a pretty hefty profit even at these reduced prices. But if not, and the deal falls apart for any reason, then you should still be satisfied knowing that you did everything possible to make it work. My hat is off to you, and I hereby volunteer to help you with coordinating, planning, communicating, and executing this or any future group-buy.

Without a voltmeter aren't you suppose to touch the wire to your tongue to see if it's hot? Ok... nobody try that. Lol

I just read the links to the wbir stories in the original post, I had not seen this knoxnews article. Sounds like it would be left up to a judge to decide if this prayer meets the requirements of the "ESEA" section about prayer at school events and if it was influenced by government agents in violation of the "ESEA".   I understand that this topic has some members fired up but I was disappointed in the response of fellow TGO'ers to the OP's request for prayer in the General Chat section of the forums. If it had been a post he started in the hive to debate this topic I could see it going that way. I see prayer requests listed in here from time to time for any number of issues; illness, death in the family, personal problems, loss of job, etc and it was disappointing to see others use that as an opportunity to tear someone and their beliefs down.   Just my 2 cents.

If he was a Mexican cartel member the ATF would have let him keep it. 

Willis, we know you appreciate it. Greedy guy that you are aside, BIG LOL here; it has to be a labor of love and friendship to go thru all this.     'Nuff Said.

Appreciate you Willis! Everyone else that hasn't signed up yet, come on!

Depends on how obvious and accessible the cameras are.  Personally, I want relatively hidden cameras and a small sign that says "Smile, you're on camera."

Greg,   I'm the first one to say SCOTUS gets it wrong a lot...  but I think we both can agree neither of us want the government endorsing one religion over another...  because while today in this case they might be endorsing the Christian faith tomorrow they could be endorsing a religion that makes both of us uncomfortable.   There are two SCOTUS cases you should read up on...     The first is Abington Township v Schempp 1963, involving asking students to read the Lord's Prayer...  which is on the mark...   The second is Wallace v Jaffree 1985 which involved the creation of a period of silence for the purpose of private prayer.   The basic rule that SCOTUS developed in these cases is the 'secular rule test', which basically says if the actions by the government or it's agents must have a secular purpose for their actions not a religious one...  if the actions are motivated by religion then those actions violate the establishment clause.   If you look even more recently at Santa Fe Independent School District v Doe 2000 SCOTUS ruled that even student led, student initiated prayer is a violation of the establishment clause...   And even if you don't buy the SCOTUS rulings...   You still have the TN state constitution, which clearly prohibits a human authority from interfering with religion, or providing a preference of one religion over another....   Even if SCOTUS is wrong and the 1st Amendment protections aren't incorporated by the 14th Amendment (which would also mean that Heller and McDonald were also wrong on the 2nd Amendment)...  you still argue that States have the right to regulate religion via their own constitutions... and TN has done so, banning the legislature and any sub-divisions of it (which would include all schools), and any human authority, which clearly the principal acting as a government agent meets that definition...  are prohibited from giving preference to any religion over another.   Anyway you cut it, the Principal was in the wrong... he knowingly and intentionally violated both school board policy, as well as both the Federal and/or TN state constitutions...  And in the process of committing those violation enlisted the help of kids under his charge in this unlawful action acting in his official capacity as an agent of the government.   This is from Pew summarizing a number of cases here in the south by state supreme courts, including cases in TN:     Clearly the principal in this case has admitted to both encouraging the cheerleaders and recommending the contents of their speech at a school activity.   Greg, I'm sorry, but you're wrong...  the TN Constitution as well as the US Constitution clearly restricts the actions of a government agent while they're performing their duties...  There is no question his actions were unlawful.  

If you can make me one of these...i'll DRIVE a blueprint to you :D

Guess I can answer this part. Loud

Good lord, our government's obsession with barrel lengths... how is this news, why would the police care and why would this "good Samaritan" go through the trouble?  If I discovered that a barrel was too short after buying something like that in bulk, it's too easy to junk the barrel and get a new one.  Not like it's a machine gun or a bazooka.

Swim - I built my 9mm DDLES AR as a pistol with a 7" barrel. I run it with an AFG and a saddle on the buffer tube. Can't say enough good stuff about it, did I mention it uses Glock "Happy Sticks"? It has been flawless through about 600 rds. If you're interested here is a link for the stripped lower http://www.riflegear.com/p-1647-double-diamond-ar-15-9mm-glock-magazine-lower-receiver.aspx, I bought mine from the mfg but they were not very CS savvy. It uses the ramped bolt for the glock mags, other than that everything else is the same. I'll post a pic from when I finished the build in a few, it's on my phone.

Since the man was not in the house it was handled properly. Just saying.

I agree with you on them relying on each other. Im like you. Im ready to get in the stand. I did some tidying up on mine today, just double checking things. With this cool snap (hope it sticks around) it should get them moving more during the day. My only concern is the amount of acorns. They really have no need to travel far from the bedding areas.

Well with a rack like that, he should have no problems laying down the law. Or at least set ground rules. On the turkey and deer issue, ive seen them travel together often. They may not be best buds, but I see them in very close proximity to one another.

At first all you see is this big ol bear. Look in the background and you will see daddy. I have never seen a deer and a bear travel together. I estimate maybe 15 yards between the two.

I have not seen anyone get personal in this thread.  We all have beliefs.   And if this was being talked about in a room with us all present I doubt anyone would be butthurt.   I seriously never write anything on TGO I would not say right to anyone's face.

I don't think he changed all that much from velvet to all bone. Still a nice looking buck. This is daddy. He only shows up a few times a year. Mostly during rut. And he is almost entirely nocturnal. I think I have a few pics of him in the day light. This is his brother or son. Either way only a 6 and he's huge. Again, mostly nocturnal. These last two pics were from last year. Hope they make a mistake and get love crazy one day and hopefully, ill be there to capitalize.

Good write up that covers the details of the build. Swim - if you get one and run it as a pistol just let me know I'll share my specs and build list. I actually have a couple delrin spacers for the buffer tube I sized and turned down - you'll need one.

I know you can open carry with out a permit but must have a permit to conceal carry. my wife's family moved back to Illinois this year so I will no  longer be making the trip to Virginia. 

I think he has it where one switch works now if the other is in a certain position. I am trying to get him to switch the blacks and tell me what happens.

Yes, you need a 3 way switch. Then wire it back exactly the way it was in the beginning.

I used to be an electrician. Can you describe the circumstances leading up to changing the switch? Did it work right before and then the switch went bad?   That's 3 way switch. The 2 gold terminals are for the "travelers" and the black terminal is for the hot on one switch and the other one's "switchleg". On a 3 way you hot one switch on the black terminal run 2 wires from the gold terminals on one switch to the gold terminals on the other switch. Then from the black terminal on the 2nd switch up to your light.   Your pics are very helpful but without a voltmeter it is hard to say exactly what's up. If you don't have a meter for starters I would try switching the 2 black wires. I'll try to help you through it. I'll be on here for a while tonight.   Edit: you can pm me if you think that might be easier.

He has that effect! :up:  But I'm not loaning him out at this moment HA HA   Edit: I tried to tell her that he was turning the topsoil to help her flowers....didn't work like I'd planned, go figure :shrug:

He has grown!   I just looked back at your original post. He does require a bit more real estate when he tries to climb up on your neck I bet! LOL   He's a beauty. You have one fine friend there Sir. :pleased:

Yes I know about them they I believe is the oldest 1000 yard club in the states. Great shooters shoot there. Sent from my iPhone 6 using Tapatalk Pro

    Agreed. And I get what TMF says, as well. No dispute there, either.  But as the old saying goes, "the other side only has to get lucky once". I'm not well versed enough on Secret Service guidelines and protocols or the such, but I wonder what if someone wearing a bomb and baggy clothes to disguise it jumps the fence with empty hands and rushes the White House. Do the same rules of engagement stay in play until the first time someone detonates? Just saying, what if? Do they shoot before or after he yells Allah Akbar?

Darn right! After the effort and cost to get it to them they wouldn't want to see them go without.

I used a vise block and a 1996 Ford Thunderbird late one night before a range session I really needed that rifle for.  Worked like a charm.   :rock:

      That was pretty much my thinking when I read the article.  I wouldn't be surprised if, by 'destroyed', Evans actually meant, "A couple of officers got new, personal shotguns for just the price of a replacement barrel."

We all know the answer to this.

  It goes back to high school some people are very insecure and very concerned with such things and they never get past it. 

What I think Ruger needs to do with this line of revolver is eliminate the need for moonclips. They have done this with the blackhawk revolver line by creating a cylinder that is for 9mm without the need for moonclips, they should have done the same thing with this revolver,create the correct cylinder for the cartridge. If they had done this I would be ordering one today. Then in a later release create the da/sa version, like they did with the other LCR version (LCRx).

http://www.pariaharms.com/AR9.php

  Absolutely, but I haven't had any issue with a normal milspec trigger group; there is plenty of recoil on your average carbine.  When I was looking to run one of these on my S&W 15-22, I lightened up my trigger to ~ 3 lbs with the help of our resident SME, Dolomite.  I was able to get it to run, but not as consistently as I wouldn't like.  If I had one of these single stage 2.5-3.5 drop in triggers I could probably do it, but just not going to spend that kind of money.  I wouldn't recommend anyone spend that kinda cash if they're just going to run it on a 5.56 rifle.  It will run fine once you get the hang of it.  It took me one mag, practicing bursts of 3-5 rounds to master the technique.  After that I could shoot it accurately just fine.   I haven't had the chance to use one of the AK SlideFire stocks, but they look like they jump around too much due to the way they're designed.  The AR version is far more manageable.

So if one of the TGO admins ask for a moment of silence in this thread, are they compelling its participants to lead in the Lord's prayer?

Maybe Hillary ordered them to stand down.

Well, luckily we don’t live in the countries that have tried that. Oh wait… luck has nothing to do with it; it’s because that is not what our founding Fathers intended, and the American people would never stand for it. Our men and women have fought and died against those that tried because it is wrong.   Set what kind of example? Firing him for what he did would almost guarantee him a new job; probably better than the one he had. Christians won’t let someone suffer because they suggested prayer. The ones that would try to fire him should be the ones out in the cold… and would be.

yup Eric and that cost is not going to do anything but increase.  The knife is a finite amount

I need to buy a couple hundred Pmags for the next time everyone loses their mind.  I didn't sell any mags in the last craze because I didn't want to be that guy, but if people don't prepare for what's coming up they deserve to get raped on price.

I use them regularly, and the worst thing I can say about them is that they don't  always hold the bolt open when empty. Other than that, they work flawlessly, and are great for range use.