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When she says, "do whatever you want," she doesn't mean do whatever you want.

Isn’t there a football game on or something?

Well we all know it's .45. Anything less and you're tickling the perp, but a .45 will vaporize at least half their torso.

So, tomorrow is my birthday, and the wife and I were talking last night, and she says: I was going to get you a gun for your birthday, but you just bought one so now I don't know what to get you!! So, I say you can still get me another gun....................... She says: But don't you have enough guns now? (such a loaded question) LOL So, I explain it to her in terms I think she can understand: You have 8-9 purses, if you run across another nice purse, do you buy it because you NEED it or because you LIKE it (she is a total purse collector) She just looks at me with that WTH blank stare on her face, so I tell her to just get me whatever she likes lol This got me to thinking about a few of the other crazy things she asks. me here are just a few 1: Why do you need more than one box of bullets for your gun? 2: You are a good shot, so why do you need to go to the range so often? 3: Why do you need a holster for EVERY gun you own? 4: Why do you need to clean my gun if I haven't shot it lately? 5: Why do you need so many gun cleaning supplies 6: Why do you need a .45 and a .9mm

Generations of folks have carried bare bones 1911s without night sights or rails to good affect. I’ve yet to shoot a RIA pistol that wasn’t reliable. They conceal well in a proper holster. I wouldn’t hesitate to carry it.

This is my new wall paper when I turn computer on!

I think you made my point. Who's going to look at their friend's gun that he is clearly proud of and talk crap about it? The conversation would likely have gone differently had your Beretta not been the opener. Back in 1987/1988 while the Beretta was in acceptance testing my with the military, several NSW operators were injured due to slides breaking and the back of the slide coming off the gun striking them in the face. As a result NSW as a whole went away from the Berreta and went with the Sig. Non-SOF Navy and the rest of the services went with the Beretta, but only after an engineering change to prevent further injuries. If you remove the left side grip panel of your Beretta you will see a penny sized circle that sits right below the slide. A portion of this circle rides in a slot in the slide and will prevent the rear of the slide from coming of the frame if/when there is a slide breakage, which usually only happened at a very high round count. A round count beyond what most service members and civilian users will reach. If you note, the Brigadier model is substantially reinforced in the troublesome slide area. To be clear, I think the Beretta is a very accurate gun in single action, and I have shot more rounds than I can count through several of them. I have had some malfunctions with them, but as I said it an earlier post, they were environmental related. If they had been even reasonably clean, which was impossible at the time, I have no doubt that they would have performed flawlessly. The Berettas are not my cup of tea, but I would never put down someone that had one, as it will most likely serve them well. Not that my opinion should matter to anyone at all, just as yours does not matter to me, but I am happy that you like your Beretta. With as many options as we have, no one should have a gun they don't like. My only reason for engaging with you at all in this thread was your antagonistic approach and responses. While I don't care about your opinion I do take issue with your attitude which is why I responded in kind.

That's a very presumptuous, uninformed, and ignorant comment to make (fake news). Have you actually talked with many military personnel that have routinely had their M9s in the sand and swamps that had great things to say about them? Just because someone is in the military and carries an M9 does not mean it gets used, and certainly does not mean it sees harsh conditions, aside from dust bunny accumulation in a holster. Hell, less than 10-15% of the military even work in harsh conditions, especially in the last 15 years. I think it is telling that the units that have discretionary funding and authority to test, choose, and purchase nonstandard sidearms started going away from the M9 as far back as 2005. While many of their support personnel still carry M9s, the guys getting down and dirty in the sand and swamps have been carrying Glocks for years. Next time you run into SEAL ask them why they won't touch a Beretta and instead use MK25s (Sig226) and Glock 19s. Your trolling skills suck, at least put some effort in.

YAAAAWWNN.......did I just wake up? /Pinch...yeah not dreaming.....hmm... This seems like a topic we were talking about with Tungsten, MolonLabe, The Rabbi, Steelharp, Kahrman and others back in 2007 here on TGO. The Glock 19 was then and still is my carry gun. If looks are a primary deciding factor for your firearm then good for you..god bless murica.......if you think the Glock is fugly how about the Chiappa Rhino? Well, I guess the Chiappa was kind of sexy in Margot Robbie's hands in Suicide Squad......but then that was mostly the booty shorts not the gun. The purpose of the Glock for me is a reliable defensive handgun and that they do beautifully......./Yawn okay back to bed.....

Nothing wrong with a Glock. They're a reliable tool with no sex appeal. Very utilitarian and Germanic.

For me clean, dirty, wet, muddy, hot, cold, cheap ammo, expensive ammo, I have never had a failure to fire. I own plenty of Sigs, Berettas, and many others. I like them all.

Smith & Wesson M&P M2.0 Compact 9mm I have owned a variety of M&P semi-autos since they started producing them back in 2005. I bought my first M&P, a full-size .40SW, from Guns & Leather 12 years ago when the pistol first came out and quickly followed it with an M&P 40c and then several other versions joined them over the years. The 40c and the 9c were never really a favorite of mine as they seemed to suffer from the same things that the Glock 26 and 27 sub-compacts did. Namely, they weren't small enough to really be a pocket gun but they weren't large enough to be very versatile either. Just like with Glock, if I was going to carry a double-stack 9mm, I was going to go for the Glock 19 instead of the 26 and with the M&P it meant the full-size 9mm. The M&P Shield was a huge step in the right direction for Smith & Wesson for those who wanted a slim 9mm for deep concealment. It also really put the spotlight on the fact that the 9c was, in my opinion at least, really not good enough at any one thing to make it a compelling option. If only S&W would just listen to their customers and build something exactly the same size as the Glock 19/23. We just wanted them to give us 15rds of 9mm in a package slightly shorter in the slide and grip than the full-size. Apparently someone at S&W has finally listened. The new M2.0 Compact scratches all of the itches in all the right ways. It is as if Smith and Wesson's lawyers finally relaxed and gave the engineers the green light to go ahead and build a better Glock 19 than Glock does. And boy did they get it right. And they kind of snuck it in on everyone. The M2.0 Compact version really doesn't seem to have received the fanfare or enjoyed the publicity blitz that its full size brother did. The release wasn't timed to coincide with any of the major industry shows. The internet wasn't ablaze with rumors of the new gun until it had essentially been announced by S&W. I only saw the "leaked" promotional slick for the new gun maybe 48 hours before the company published it officially. And yet the paradox seems to be that the lack of hoopla over the gun is significantly the inverse of just how good it is. The new M&P Compact no longer occupies a weirdly confusing spot in Smith & Wesson's lineup. It no longer tries to follow in the equally awkward footsteps of the Glock 26/27 platform. Instead, it has taken the Glock 19/23 platform squarely in its sights and blown the center out of that target with a better option. The new Compact gives a platform that is perfect for concealed carry, with superior ergonomics, a better feel and a sexier look than its Austrian competitor. And, just as the Glock 19/23 will fit into a holster made for the larger 17/22, the new M2.0 compact fits even better into holsters made for the larger M&P full-size. Carrying the M2.0 Compact in a TT Gunleather "Mike's Special" leather inside the waistband holster made for my M&P 9mm Full-size yields an extremely comfortable and potent concealment package. The shorter Compact fits the longer gun's holster as if it were made for it. The slide is only 1/4" shorter at the muzzle but otherwise identical in dimension to the larger gun. The trigger guard is exactly the same size. The grip is of course shorter in length at the cost of giving up two rounds of 9mm, but 15 rounds is hardly inadequate and the shorter grip deftly avoids printing against a t-shirt when concealed. So, how does it shoot? It was no problem at all to keep the first two magazines (30 rounds) that I ever fired from the gun inside the head kill zone of a man-sized target at 15 yards. The pace of fire was slower at first but I quickly ramped up the speed to my normal cadence for defensive shooting (2-3 rounds in rapid succession) with only marginal widening of the pattern. I found the trigger's break to be crisp and predictable. I haven't measured the pull yet with my Lyman gauge but i expect that it is somewhere between 4.5lbs and 5.5lbs based on the way it felt. I haven't bothered to check to see what S&W specs it at despite the ease of finding such information with Google. The trigger reset is no more exciting than any other M&P that I have ever owned. For those who like the extremely tactile reset of the Glock pistols, you won't find the M2.0's reset to be quite as audible or authoritative. It's a little on the limp and soggy side, but I've never found that to be a bother or to hamper my ability to shoot the M&P platform quickly and reliably. I tend to subscribe to Rob Latham's philosophy that if you "ride" the trigger you will find it hard to pick up an unfamiliar gun and cycle it reliably. As a result I've spent the past 20 years learning to keep my grip firm and sight-picture correct rather than relying on riding the trigger's reset to keep my groups small. Your mileage might vary and the soft reset may drive you nuts, but Apex Tactical Specialities has all of the trigger and ignition parts you need to make your M&P feel a little more Glock-like if that is what you are after. Another thing that I noticed with the M2.0 Compact is that, with mine at least, the slide lock seems to have been improved by S&W so that lefties can finally release it with their dominant hand's thumb and not pull a hernia in the process. I am not a lefty so I am at a disadvantage any time I try to do lefty-things, but the slide lock lever is no trouble for me to manipulate with my thumb left-handed. My hands are built like that of an ogre with shorter, stronger fingers, but I still think that almost any lefty will be able to release the slide with the lock lever and that it will only get easier as the gun breaks in. Final thoughts... None of us ever buy a handgun with the idea in mind that we are going to publicly tell the world how big of a mistake we made. I have read many glowing reviews of handguns only to follow up with the author's writings later to see that they had parted way with that new wunderpistol once the honeymoon was over. I guess it is just human nature to want everyone else to think that we always make good choices and aren't careless with our money. That being said, I have bought some real turds over the years. I have spent money on guns that were nowhere near as good as the magazine pundits or YouTube pimps said that they were. I've taken new guns to the range and immediately knew that I had made a serious mistake, and already had an idea of how I was going to sell them before I ever got through the second magazine of ammo. HOWEVER. This isn't one of them. Hands down, the M&P M2.0 Compact is a winner. It's riding my hip right now in that TT Gunleather IWB holster. It is replacing my Glock 19 for daily carry. It is going to cause a lot of other guns in my library to spend lonely days in the safe. It is really that good. I found it to be incredibly accurate and flat shooting. The size is perfect. The texture on the grip is perfect. The trigger feels just fine to me. The only thing I changed, and I did it immediately as I do with almost every handgun for which they are made, was to install a set of Ameriglo Pro i-Dot sights with orange outlined tritium front dot and simplistic black rear sight. In this case, the rear has the U-shaped notch that I prefer and a single dimmed tritium dot. Perhaps the most powerful statement that I can make about the new Compact is that I will be buying at least one more of them to have as a backup. And I am probably going to sell some other guns that I won't be shooting anymore.

Because I have been told I am wrong regardless of my opinion or basis on it lately, I am going to stick with that. If you are sold on .45ACP. get a Glock 30. It will do everything and more that you want. If you are set on a 9x19mm, get a Glock 19. If however you realize that the value of an HCP is irrelevant to the firearm you choose, just carry the 1911. The permit is more valuable than the gun IMO. I carry a G19. Unless I am feeling lazy, then I carry the Micro Eagle because it is super simple to drop in a pocket.

My first carry gun was a 1911 with no extras. It's served me well, and I'm sure yours will serve you well.

Well if it is too large (which, I know how large it is, I used to have one), maybe buy a Glock 17! Larger capacity. The M9 sure is low-cap for its size. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What is “reliable” “performs flawlessly” to you? 50 rounds standing at the range, clean and repeat? Monthly IDPA or USPSA match 200 rounds, clean and repeat? 1000 round handgun class rolling around in the dirt, clean and repeat? 5000 rounds, hasn’t been cleaned since it came out of the box? I have a muzzleloader that’s reliable, goes bang every time, runs flawlessly.... I’ve only fired it once. edit: Have you ever fired a Glock?

Glad she is back home. I'm sure her spirit enjoyed the ride and being back with you.

My favorite come back: just in case. This applies to all my tools, guns, supplies, etc. and a few wild eye ideas.

Well Kasey is back home. Vet called yesterday to tell me she had been returned and was ready for pick up. I went right then and got her. This time she got to ride in the front seat of the Jeep!!!!

I shoot 357Sig occasionally I find it little more snappier than 40 but less than the 10mm, somewhere in between.

Nancy carries an LC9, she isn't antigun just isn't into them like I am lol. She has had her HCP for years but just recently started carrying full time again after a ex employee of hers kept giving her really hostile vibes. He was a Muslim man from Sudan who resented having to take orders from a woman, it caused more than one tense moment for her, I started taking her to work and picking her until he caused enough problems for her to be able to fire him.

My wife gave up on this many years ago.

Police use them, several military 's around the world use them. They have a fantastic reputation all over the world. There's no real reason to not like a Glock. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk

What is “reliable” “performs flawlessly” to you? 50 rounds standing at the range, clean and repeat? Monthly IDPA or USPSA match 200 rounds, clean and repeat? 1000 round handgun class rolling around in the dirt, clean and repeat? 5000 rounds, hasn’t been cleaned since it came out of the box? I have a muzzleloader that’s reliable, goes bang every time, runs flawlessly.... I’ve only fired it once. edit: Have you ever fired a Glock?

I would not get a plumber for medical advice. Why would I let a sports player influence my politics?

4 girls or guns?

Let's just say that there are some things an ugly girl will do that a pretty girl won't. Besides, I own four and my wife only things I have one.

Shouldn't the title of this thread be, "I hate Glocks, and if you don't, you're stupid"?

CJ...Then be happy with your choices. Having read this thread twice now,it seems like you're trolling for a negative response. People are merely sharing their experiences...not trying to change your mind nor persuade you purchase a Glock. I happen to carry a Glock 19 for the past 20 years, better than 50K of rounds through it...but that's an example of one and an opinion of one. I could care less what others choose other than a passing interest ... to each their own CJ.

The utility and ubiquity of the Glock 19 and Glock 17 platform are undeniable. Arguing against them is like arguing that the AK-47 isn't a benchmark for the same qualities in the carbine platform. But, I'm telling you, the M&P 9mm platform is better in just about every way. All it lacks is the widespread presence that the Glock enjoys due to a two-decade head start. Had the M&P been introduced at the same time as the Glock 17, we might be having a completely different conversation right now.

Many different agencies and military use them. They are easy to maintain and modify. They were one of the first of their kind.

I have 2 Sigs and 1 Beretta and have never had a fail with either. Today's guns are made to be reliable and Glocks certainly does not have the best anymore. You have to really love your Glocks to say that they are not plain Jane looking or even butt ugly. I can also get any part for any of my pistols with very little effort.

Don't worry about offending. I think we know that's not your intention. Some on here probably like Ford, Dodge, or Chevy trucks and I like Toyota. That's why they make different guns. Personally I am taking a hiatus from Glocks. I've been running them at work and at home for over 20 years. May give them another shot one day, but not right now. In fact, I had set two G19s up for myself, then turned around and gave both of them to my son. Right now I'm running a Beretta 92 when I'm off work, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. That said, the Glocks, while not the absolute perfection that Gaston and the factory parrots would have us believe, are generally very reliable. I think that's always been the appeal. It has been proven that they will take abuse and neglect and keep wagging their tail. I have seen and had some bobbles over the years with the Glocks chambered in .40S&W (cursed be it's name forevermore), but I never have with the 9mm versions. I'm sure it's happened, as anything man made can fail, but we do know the reliability is there. Just like anything else, each one has his/her preference. Nothing wrong with em at all, unless it just doesn't fit you personally. And that requirement is one that I have always believed to be very important.

I own a pair of G19s. I am accurate with them, and I trust my life, and my family's lives with them. I am a single action revolver guy. I grew up with a Ruger Single Six as the only handgun in the home. That is what I know. When my daughter was born, I knew it was time to move up to something more... modern. I spent about a year researching all the top brands at a price point I was comfortable with. I wanted something that I could trust with the most important things in my life. Over and over again, review after review, professional opinion, opinionated opinion and experienced opinion, it came back to a Glock. I am a 9x19mm guy by default (I inherited 10k rounds) and after just as much research I decided that the G17 or the G19 was exactly what I needed. I then headed to the LGS and spent an hour holding a G17 and a G19. My G19 followed me home, with a serial number I can recite off the top of my head. I have lost count of the rounds, but it has been a lot, several training courses, two HCP/CCDW courses, etc. The only failures have been expected (Korean 33 RD mags suck.) I trust XXX589 so much that last year I went out and bought another G19, this one USA marked. It is even more accurate. Sigs have poor triggers, and cost too much. I have zero experience with H&Ks because they cost too much. Berettas have external safeties and cost to much. Being a Glock devout now, I am anti external safety. I believe in the point and click that Glock has indoctrinated me in. In a moment of 'OH SHI*!' it will not fail me due to an extra step or two. This year I bought my now eleven year old daughter (for her birthday) her choice of handgun, and if Glock made a .22LR handgun, it would have been that. Since they don't, she will be indoctrinated into the world of S&W with her M&P22. It fit the price range I was willing to pay, and if you have seen the pictures I have posted, she can shoot the heck out of it. Gun aficionados can argue as much as they like, but steel is a 1911 world, modern polymer is a Glock world. I own plenty of modern and classic firearms, but the Glocks are what I trust. They have proven themselves to me.

This is an instance of beauty in the eye of the beholder, I love the way my Glocks look; plain, black, simple lines.......and they work, every time I pull the trigger. I've used Glocks, Sigs, and Berettas extensively overseas, and I've had several environmental induced malfunctions with Sigs and Berettas, but not the Glocks. Don't get me wrong, these were tough conditions that would have choked out most weapon systems, but the Glocks kept chugging, even grittier than a wet SEAL rolled in sand. As for esthetics, while I have nothing per say against the look of most Sigs, I dislike the look of most Berettas, and pretty much all H&K handguns. Thankfully, the beauty of Americas' great gun culture is that it is a cornucopia of options, so even though we may not agree on which ones we favor, we can all walk away with a lighter wallet and a bang stick we can be proud of.

I have never understood the ugly comments. I don't see that. They're plain, yes, and simple, reliable, have terrific aftermarket supply, reasonably priced, low bore axis... they have a lot going for them.

Just wait till they make a 1911 glock, then there will be no going back.

Well it is in commiefornia, dont ya know.

And to me, even more importantly, the magazines, parts, and accessories are generally much cheaper but yet produce excellent results per dollar spent compared to other brands. Also, compatibility between 19/17/26 and 23/22/27 is, in my opinion, unmatched with any other handgun system out there regarding magazines, internals, and holsters. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

They're as exciting as dry white toast and as common as sand on the beach, but they're about as reliable as it gets. Kind of like Honda Accords. There's some truth to the adage "Have a Kimber to show your friends. Have a Glock to show your enemies." I agree that some others have come on the market in the past few years that rival Glocks in reliability and simplicity without being uglier than the girl nobody wants to admit they made out with. The Smith & Wesson M&P line comes to mind and it's cheaper.

Agree they are ugly. It took me a lot of years to consider one. I believe they are inexpensive for what they offer, without a doubt. Extreme reliability.

Because it works.

Until the past few years, nothing really matched the size, weight, and reliability of Glock. I've never been a big fan of Beretta. Sig quality isn't nearly what it used to be, and H&K's have historically been really expensive. Keep in mind that all of the companies you mentioned are trying to make guns that rival Glock. Why is that? Glocks are ugly, not the most ergonomic, and no longer innovative but they usually work very well. I do agree that as of 2017 there are probably better options for $500 than a Glock 19.

The Outpost Armory in Murfreesboro has them for $399. https://www.theoutpostarmory.com/sale-clearance/smith-wesson-11683-m-p-9-m2-0-double-9mm-luger-4-15-1-black-interchangeable-backstrap-grip-black-armornite-stainless-steel.html

Thanks to all for the kind words of support. My Vet said that Kasey was the oldest dog she has ever laid down in over 11 years of practice. She was a very caring Vet for sure. She hugged me a couple times and in one of the hugs she whispered Kasey was a very lucky dog to have you as her companion. WhileTommy (my son in law, William and I were standing out in the parking lot talking Ashley(my Vet) brought me something out I was not expecting. (see picture) I will be picking Kaseys ashes up and bringing her back home on Friday.

I had totally forgotten about this until yesterday while I was visiting with my mother. She has been going through old family photos and this caught my eye as I strolled by a table scattered with various stacks. My older sister is on the left, two cousins in the middle and me on the right with my Johnny Eagle Break Action Over and Under. I wish I still had that toy shotgun and maybe not the style but the amount of hair!! I guess I was destined to be a shotgunner at an early age but didn't figure that out until almost 40 plus years later. c.1967

Regarding #6. She has a point, if you have a .45, why ya' need a 9mm?