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This is a prime example of why everyone needs to train with their weapon. The Sherriff stresses that women especially need to arm themselves, but I have to add that everyone needs to arm themselves because in cases like this, it may not matter if you are male or female. When startled in the middle of the night, one must be ready https://www.wyff4.com/article/escaped-inmate-in-upstate-shot-killed-by-homeowner-other-inmate-in-custody-chief-deputy-says/25392155

Decided to get my mind off things around two month or so ago and picked up a new toy. I have a harley 883 that I never truly liked and will be selling to a friend in a few months. (Rear wheel bearing went out on the way back from nashville while I was trying to pass a semi and that was almost it). I went and got a yamaha virago for my brother, so I could have a riding buddy, but as soon as my mom found out, she wasnt too happy and he ####ed up, so I sold the bike (but not before riding and enjoying it). Decided to stop by cool spring power sports and see what they had. (Sloans and everyone else were selling old cruiser for WAY too damn much.Wouldnt you know, they had a bike I been wanting for a few years now. Not the same exact model, but close enough. Went and got a me suzuki boulevard C50T. Man oh man, this thing is absolutely a pleasure to ride. I might upgrade the pipes, but I am enjoying how quiet and smooth this bike is versus the 883. Let my dad take it out for a spin and he looked tiny on it. Heres my soon to be ex 883 This is the gem of a virago 750. Actually pretty cool color. Looks more seafoam green in person. Photos do NOT do the paint job justice. And my C50, in all its majesty. It and the virago combined are still thousands cheaper than the harley. Great cruiser. 2015 with 2000 miles. Price was a STEAL (Even talked them down). Eventually, I am going to try and unchrome it. Keep it maroon and black. On a side note, I take it back on my dad adding a windshield on his 883 years ago, it makes a pretty noticeable difference going down the highway. It was either do something constructive or start drinking. I think I made the better choice.

The issue is that it is viewed as lethal force. The reason it is viewed as "less lethal" for cops is because they ostensibly have training in its use and are using it to subdue not to kill . If you hit someone in the head with a blackjack (or a sap or a baton to a lesser degree) you run a pretty fair chance of giving them a depressed skull fracture. There is a reason that very few police departments allow the use of saps and blackjacks anymore. The certification class teaches you to target areas that are less likely to cause permanent crippling injury or death. Police can use any means necessary to effect an arrest. Civilians cannot. If you refuse to comply with the officer's commands he can MAKE you comply with empty hands , taser , pepper spray, baton or even a firearm. A civilian can only use lethal force in response to lethal force. Due to his job description he does not operate under the same rules a civilian does. For the police officer the baton is just another level up from pepper spray in the use of force continuum....for a civilian it is viewed as aggravated assault unless he is responding to lethal force. A cop can hit you with a baton for punching him....a civilian is going to have a whole lot of explaining to do as to why he hit someone with a stick (aggravated assault) for punching him . I'm not saying it cannot be articulated , I'm saying it will probably have to be articulated and the answer is not just "Because he hit me"...... We can make the argument that for the average civilian going about their business the baton really serves no purpose. Police use it to subdue and take into custody individuals who do not want to be subdued and taken into custody. Civilians out in the street are not really supposed to be doing that..... And as such for a civilian , the club (sap, jack, baton) is viewed not a physical compliance tool to effect an arrest but as a lethal force tool. And if you are legally justified to use the baton you are justified to shoot them. Nobody seems to like to hear that but that is the reality of it. Full disclosure... I actually attended that same Monadnock certification class with Prag back in 2006 and have carried (and maybe used?) a baton when working security in the entertainment business back in the day. I also own about a dozen saps and jacks (Boston Leather, D3 Protection, Foster Brothers) and occasionally carry them. But the curse of being a big strong still fairly young dude is that the court system is going to view my use of a blackjack differently than Prag's use of it. In all honesty if I am justified to use the sap or jack I'm justified in using the pistol.

Yes, this was an Heirloom Precision gun, featured at SHOT Show (around 2009ish?) It has a matching Colt revolver, knife, and full exotic leather holster set. I sold the complete set to Pete Brownell (of Brownell's fame) several years ago. It's certainly one I wish I had kept in my collection.

May be a bit far for you to drive but Standing Stone State Forest (about 8,800 acres) is in "B" and is about eat up with deer. (I live in Hilham about a mile from the forest). The terrain would be about what you are used to hunting (steep ridges, lots of creek valleys, and many cut over areas) and this time of year it is not hunted hard (at least in our area). Standing Stone State Park is in the State Forest and has rental cabins for a base of operations. The Forest has the same rules as Unit B so Does are fair game and there are hogs galore that can be harvested during Deer Season. Just a thought.

This area is for forum issues only. Ask your question in handgun or general chat forum - OS edit: well, I see Dave found it anyway.

If Ebay does not work out, Numrich has plenty of them. https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/marlinglenfield/rifles-marlin/60-old-style?page=4 or https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1041200

Here's a nice cane (just for walking)

These types of things are to be expected at a place that serves nachos in dog food bowls.

I will first say, I am no expert and I am certainly not a mental health professional by any stretch. I do have a lot of past experience conducting death investigations to include suicide. There are many assorted warning signs. Unfortunately they typically aren't recognized until viewed through hindsight. The signs can be as varied as the personalities from which they are displayed and often are not really displayed at all. I realize that is pretty vague but there is no constant or absolute in human behavior. Many people make statements such as "I don't understand why", "I would never do that" etc. Most of us in our current state of mind would not do such, nor would the individual who just did, if they were in our current state of mind. Yet they were in a very troubled state of mind and not seeing the world or their challenges in a manner that they could handle. They become overwhelmed to the point that suicide seems like a viable choice to end the mental, emotional or physical pain that has become such a burden to them. To them, at that time in their lives, it makes sense. I have seen the following: Person who has been moody for days, weeks or months suddenly seem to be on top of the world and happy as they can be. People around them were elated to see that they "got a handle on whatever was bothering them". Only to hear of their demise soon after. The person had been wrestling with a difficult decision to stay or go. They actually were relieved and happy for a few days after they made up their mind, which eased the torment of the decision to go. Liquidation - some people suddenly start liquidating assets. By assets I mean items that they previously emotionally valued such as giving a friend their favorite handgun, knife, 1st edition book etc. that they always treasured and out of the blue decided to just give it to a friend that had admired it. If you watch, they typically will be distributing such items to more than one person and are very selective as to who gets what. "Doesn't matter" - A usually meticulous individual begins to not care for property, home or self appearance etc. They have reached a frame of mind that it just doesn't matter any more. Pet adoption - I have seen people very selectively find new homes for their beloved pets with the excuse of "I just can't care for them anymore" when their has been no real indication of decline of their ability to do so. They just want to make sure the pet is properly placed in a loving home before they check out. Sudden exclusive obsession with dark themed movies, music, books etc. A normally extroverted person suddenly becomes introverted for an extended period of time. A new habit developed of spending periods of time alone near bodies of water "reflecting" or "meditating" when this was not common before. Being near water is relaxing and soothing to many people. Many suicides are committed near bodies of water such as the shorelines of lakes and rivers. Declining mood as the anniversary of the loss of a loved one draws near. Often the anniversary of a suicide previously committed by a loved one. Holidays - Thanksgiving and Christmas, though joyous occasions to most, bring deep sadness and loneliness for many. Sad to say, but the holidays are often referred to as "suicide season" by many. I have seen all of the above more than once and there are many more possible indications but none are really absolute indications. As you read the above a second time you realize what I mean by being recognized through hindsight. All of these actions are far more recognizable through reflection after the fact. Sorry to have gotten so long winded on the reply. I have investigated many suicides over the years and spent a lot of time with families after the fact. I learned not to be judgmental because in most cases the individual was as "normal" as anybody else until their burdens mentally pushed them to such. I have also seen many remaining friends and family burden themselves with unwarranted guilt because they felt "they should have seen it", when in fact nobody saw it coming and hindsight is 20-20. The guilt was typically unwarranted.

Saved herself, good job! Hope this does not mess with her too much.

I don’t know anything about any of the Rugers, but there are two RPR’s in 6.5 & 6mm Creedmoore in Nashville for $850 & $950. I don’t know anything about either of them or the sellers; just saw the ads.

Cool. I didn't know this was a thing.

I've got a few 10/22's but this is my favorite. Volquartsen barrel, Magpul stock, Timney trigger with a Vortex 1-4x scope. Great lightweight shooter.

I found it too. It’s now in a better suited location.

That’s all excellent information @Cruel Hand Luke. I especially agree with the part that for the average person there is no legitimate cause to carry a baton. (Though I actually do keep one for use as a tire thumper in my Pete simply because it fits the door pocket just about perfectly.) I imagine that for most folks who don’t have some sort of (real or perceived) work reason to carry one, the class introduces a healthy dose of “why bother” into the mix. That alone I would imagine makes the class worthwhile. All that aside, I still think requiring a class to carry one is a problem because I think all prior restraint by the government on the population is a problem. If folks are going to carry impact weapons, they should get training on them just as anyone who carries a gun should get training because it’s the prudent thing to do. Doesn’t mean I think the government should have any input on the matter.

I bought some online. I paid to much but whatever..

Why go to a class to carry a stick when you can carry a sword?

You are very welcome @shootlikeagirl76 I have a Marlin 60 that I love. Mine has a NRA gold tone medallion in the stock.

You can, as long as you take the proper class for it. Silly that you need a class, but the avenue for it is there if you want it.

Welcome from farther NE TN.

Horse and woman in unison "You want us to do what?"

Howdy. Nothing wrong with a single stage press. There's 3 set up on my bench.

Howdy and Welcome to TGO!!!

They also catered to people who never had and never would shop in their stores.

No worries man, it is just that on a personal level I find it extremely ironic that somehow in all the other states that allow drinking while carrying we just do not see widespread blood in the streets from crazed drunken gunfights in bars. If the Pennsylvanians of Quaker descent can somehow see their way to passing legislation approving being armed and drinking alcohol as long as you are not over the limit to drive then you'd think that the Tennesseans of Revolutionary War veteran descent might be able to come to the same conclusion.... but as of yet that is not the case. At the National Tactical Invitational in 2007 in Harrisburg PA there were probably 100 armed people drinking in the bar of the host hotel every night of the event ....which was perfectly legal under Pennsylvania law.......and even with a room full of ARMED type A personalities (many with more than one gun on them) there were no incidents at all. Here's a secret. There have ALWAYS been armed people in bars. I worked in the bar business for a few years in college. People ALREADY carried guns in bars before it was legal AT ALL and yet we do not see the streets running red from drunken gun battles over Monday Night Football at Hooters ..... or over games of pool at any number of "dive" bars throughout the state. And if they think none of those people that are drinking are carrying or that none of the people that are carrying are drinking no matter what the law says , that is just naive on the part of the legislature. As long as there have been bars there have been people carrying weapons in them...legal or not. Now.....Is it a good idea to drink a beer and carry? That is a 100 page thread for another time. Is it a good idea to be armed and go out drinking with the intention of getting drunk. ABSOLUTELY NOT...and there is really no debate on that. But then again the effects a beer or two might have on a 100 lb non drinker vs the effect it will have on a 250 lb person who drinks alcohol regularly are different. Two beers over the course of an hour might have little effect on one and have much more effect on the other. And lets be honest which is more LIKELY to cause death or injury? Driving at .05 BAC or carrying a gun at .05 BAC? Driving your car is far more common than pulling your gun out is.... Which REALLY effects more people? I didn't mean to derail the thread, my point is simply that for some reason some people in Tennessee think alcohol causes guns to go off.... Pulling the trigger is what causes guns to go off. It is either a conscious decision (good or bad) to pull the trigger or it is an accident (normally caused from needless and careless handling) when they do go off unintentionally. I doubt this case was a conscious alcohol impaired bad decision to fire the gun and was more likely careless handling due to poor choice in carry method. But again I could be wrong. But based on being around armed people (both the well trained and the woefully untrained and both the legally and illegally armed ) on a daily basis for 25 years I feel pretty comfortable that this was probably not a conscious decision and more likely careless handling that led to this incident. And careless handling due to poor carry methods are the most dangerous part of the equation......not the presence of the alcohol.....in my opinion. End Notes: For those who might not quite be tracking the reference I mention "of Quaker descent" as that Quakers are who founded Pennsylvania and "Revolutionary War veterans" are largely who founded TN as land in TN was given as grants for service in the war. Both my mother and father's families were early pioneers in Tennessee and both families had Revolutionary War veterans. In fact my father's family was here in Tennessee before TN was a state and before the USA existed....

I'll come at this from a slightly different angle... As Prag mentioned he does not drink or "fiddle with his damn gun either". THAT is most likely the real reason-sober or not- that the gun went off. Modern pistols with drop safeties only go off ONE way and that is for the trigger to be pressed. I would be interested to see exactly WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED to cause this. Needless (and careless) handling of the gun caused by poor carry methods tend to lead tho this sort of thing more times than not. The odds are OVERWHELMING that he did not pull the gun out and intentionally discharge it, It was most likely an accident caused by unsafe carry methods. My guess (and I could be wrong) is that he probably was either carrying without a holster (anyone remember Plaxico Burress shooting himself when his pistol fell down the inside of his pants leg after being "Mexican carried" in his waistband?) or was carrying with a crappy holster and the gun came dislodged somehow. He probably was trying to readjust it and got trigger either wrapped up with finger or clothing and gun then predictably fires. THAT is how they are designed to work. Pull the trigger..... get loud noise. Now before anyone says "yeah but.... he shouldn't have been drinking" that does NOT change the veracity of my point in the least. If he were .10 BAC but not TOUCHING THE GUN it would not go off. Guns do not go off on their own in the presence of alcohol....someone has to be handling the gun and there is no reason to do that in a restaurant ...unless it is no longer secure.... Right now as I sit here sober as a teetotaler typing this the ONLY way my gun in its holster can possibly go off is for me to pull it out of the holster far enough to manipulate the trigger. Alcohol is largely irrelevant if the gun is not handled.....the CARELESS HANDLING caused the discharge...not the presence of alcohol. It may have contributed to the careless handling but alcohol was not the CAUSE of the discharge. So what do we learn from this? Carry it in a REAL professionally designed big boy holster not some cheap garbage that does not prevent the trigger from being manipulated or just stuffed in a pocket or a waistband. Stone cold sober or not there is no reason to carelessly handle the gun in a restaurant . If you are having to handle it because you refuse to buy a real holster and it has come loose from where you are carrying it then stuff like this happens.

New here? Step up and tell us about yourself. A good format to follow would be your first name (if you care to share it), where you're from, what your interests are, what gun(s) you have, where you like to shoot, etc. It helps break the ice and you might just find new friends as a result.

And THAT is another 100 page thread in the making...

Are you saying we talk too much? Guilty as charged. Hope it works out for you.

Thanks for all the input, guys. Don't need any more.