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I'm against red flag laws on principal. They tend to supersede due process, to say nothing of actual investigatory work (though I acknowledge resource limitations in that area compared to the problem). It won't take long before they tie some connection to medical databases, especially the VA. At that point, any veteran who had combat action, and/or claims PTSD is on "the list". No thanks.

So basically if anyone knows you have firearms and they want to cause you lots of misery and money all they need do is call 911. My neighbor Bob pointed a gun at my child, or he threatened to shoot my dog because he doesn't like poodles, or any of 1,000,000 other crappy lies to get poor ole Bob thrown in the pokey and his nice collection of guns confiscated. Sounds a whole lot like some crazy nutcase named Hitler, Stalin to name but a few. Rule # 1 live in the country, way out in the country where your neighbor can just barely hear you shoot a gun, Rule # 2 have a big steel gate and a lot of not so nice German Shepherds and a clear view of the gate at about 600 yds. Put up a sign, turn around and leave or I have to fire up the backhoe, Again!!

Ok...this comment is a bit out of place here. At least in the specific topic I want to address. One of my, and other's, fear is of the disgruntled neighbor, wife, or other family member. A single bit of hate, and I think that will be the driving force more than fear; will likely be the cause of a confiscation of weapons under the "RED FLAG" laws. For me personally, it's the irate neighbor that causes me concern. We are the lone conservative in our immediate neighborhood. Most are moderate and quiet in their comments, but several are, by my standards anyway, wildly left-leaning and seem to salivate at the thought of taking any action against anyone disagreeing with their own ideology. We have on this street MADD, Moms Demand Action, LBGQT supporters, vehement Bernie supporters, and a few who still scream that Hillary was robbed. We/I became friendly with a couple of them after moving in, and I even took one shooting with me. That didn't seem to make him any more likeable, nor has he ever asked to go again. His FB postings are full of Trump hate and all that goes with it. I have chosen to keep all but a passing "Hello" distance from him. So this guy reaches out and tells LEO that he fears that a neighbor has weapons and might be unstable. Where does that leave me/us? Red Flag laws are a quagmire. Some good from them, but the potential for massive misuse is there. And that worries me.

Wife can sell them while he’s away. I don’t see confiscation of a legal item being a police officer’s burden. Would you take all his money as well so he can’t buy a gun?

This and NO! Our justice system needs a serous overhaul If one isn’t to be trusted with firearms, one should not be free to roam in public, and damned sure shouldn’t be allowed to vote..

Yeah, it seems to me that the whole purpose of a Red Flag Law is to circumvent due process and individual rights.

Fixed that one for you.

Yes! If that's how you choose to see it. Or, I view it as the following. Is death by firearm somehow worse or more tragic than any other death? In my opinion, it falls into the narrative of "gun violence" as if somehow the victims of murder by firearm are somehow worse off than any other form. I thought about your two scenarios a lot last night. I came up with a simpler answer. As a cop, I would do whatever I would do in those situations if firearms were not present. In other words, what would you do in those situations if the two husbands didn't own guns? As a cop, would you guilt yourself for removing all firearms from the location and then finding out the next day that the husband killed his wife with a butcher knife or strangled her with his belt? Because if all you do is remove the firearms and nothing else, he can still kill her.

If it turned into a left vs right event, it would be a mass shooting, many, many mass shootings. I can't fathom having to pull the trigger on a fellow American but will defend what I swore to defend.

DING, DING, DING we have a winner!

I just wanted to pop up a thread about a very positive experience I had at Shoot Point Blank indoor range in Knoxville yesterday. I also didn't want to drift a thread started by @Ronald_55 and that @peejman and others had posted in. I've been shooting there (Shoot Point Blank) for several months. I went the first time based on a coupon I received in the mail for a free 1/2 hour range session. I became a member as they offer a 50% discount for prior military service. That, and the fact it's only 5 miles from my front door made it a no-brainer. The facility is extremely well stocked, the staff are courteous, and professional. The ranges are safe, RSO's sharp, polite, knowledgeable, and professional. The range is well ventilated and well lighted. With my membership I can shoot any gun they have for sale (Clarification: you can fire 5 rounds in a "test drive", or you can choose any gun from their Rental section to shoot). I just need to purchase ammo from them to shoot in their gun. Fair enough. You can shoot long guns as well as handguns there. As a member I am eligible for one free transfer per month and one free class they offer per month, and my range time is unlimited. So, I was already very happy about my membership there. I recently picked up a .22 LCR and just last week replaced the front sight with an XS Orange Dot sight. My wife liked the looks of it and wanted to go shoot it with me yesterday. Holy Moly...did you read that? My wife wanted to go shoot with me! I jumped at that opportunity as it's been several years since she asked, and I learned loooong ago not to be pushy about such a subject. I've been married 31 years and plan to continue along that path! So she tried my .22 LCR (heavy trigger, but she wanted to try). She also shot a .38 S&W and .38 LCR. The double action trigger pull is simply too much for her. We went out to the desk and spoke with the saleslady. My wife handled several handguns, they not only allowed, but suggested she dryfire them. We checked out a S&W 380 EZ because it fit her well (as I already mentioned, no charge as I'm a member) and paid for a box of their ammo (Magtech). My wife shot all but one magful, which she graciously allowed me to shoot LOL. She loved the EZ 380. We bought her one then and there. Not the one she shot, but a new one that has a thumb safety because she liked that aspect. Excellent customer service all the way around imho. Now I gotta start handloading .380 again. I ordered her some practice ammo and a couple of extra mags from CDNN when we got home. Life is good! Happy wife, Happy life as they say. I just wanted to let folks know that there does exist quality facilities that do promote positive customer service and shooting experiences. I have no business affiliation with Point Blank, I'm just a very satisfied customer.

Allowing any governing body, to take anything (within reason) from someone just because a 3rd party claims they've been threatened, or they "feel" they may be threatened is just pure insane. Its as stupid as an alleged DV victim moving back in with the bad husband/bf/etc....Red Flag is a means to the end, and should be fought at all cost. WE don't purposely disable bad drivers cars, and we allow those convicted repeatedly of dui, to drive, AGAIN, This red flag crap wont end well.....

I'm really fed up with the NRA. their current mess and all their compromise crap. I'll stay a member but don't give them anything extra. Long time member of GOA. They don't compromise and don't back away from a fight. They're the pit bulls in the gun rights world. They I contribute some extra money to. I honestly don't know why I never joined SAF? I need to correct that mistake.

John wells did mine, he's a member here. It depends on several different things but the main reason for me to go with a trust was so I could add family members.

It wouldn't provoke me any more than asking the police haul them off. Now I'm looking at this from a different perspective than most. A guy has a shotgun and a pistol: that's no big issue to haul off. I cringe at the thought of my collection that has taken a lifetime to amass being tossed into a dump truck or Uhaul truck like luggage at the airport.

Lifetime means about as much as it does withe NRA, save for the tiered system they have set up. I became a lifetime member of SAF back in 2012 or 2013, and to this day I still get solicitations for money. That said, they're doing important work by fighting legal cases that result in reverberating precedent. Getting the City of Chicago to pay for legal fees related to McDonald was a particularly awesome moment. Having a six figure check to cash with Rahm Emanuel's signature as mayor made a lot of happy people that day.

Red Flag laws have more potential of abuse than actually doing any good IMHO. There are already laws on the books which can apply, is it not illegal to threaten bodily harm, is trespassing not illegal, are not orders of protection not available? The coming to someones house with no prior notice and kicking the door down has more potential for deadly consequences than sending a certified letter or peacefully knocking on the door to serve a notice to appear.

It is shown that a guy with a knife can close in on, and score a hit on a guy with a gun if within 21 or greater feet if the gunman is not paying attention.

That was waaaaay back in February; he might not remember saying that. As a lot of things he says are: it was a stupid thing to say. Taking the guns is part of due process; if you have due process.

I'm a life member of the NRA, and a relatively new member of GOA, I've seen more email traffic from GOA challenging this law or that law in that short time than I've seen from the NRA in quite some years. I still give to the NRA-ILA, their lobbying arm, but more goes to GOA.

A re-worked Howa Mini 1500 or CZ 527. @E4 No More, that's a nice rifle. I'm looking forward to a range report.

I don't feel that felons with violent criminal pasts should get their 2A rights back. I've seen way too many felons that are repeat offenders that go around killing again, sometimes for a second time. Our court system and penal institutions are just not very good at putting, and keeping people in prison. Sure, some get sentenced for a bunch of years, but released in 2 for "good" behaviour, murderers in some cases, out for "good" behaviour. If I had better trust in them I may agree, but as it stands, that is a firm no. Now, the non violent ones, yea sure give them a trial and let the judge decide on a case by case basis if they should get them back. that way the ones that have picked up violent tendencies in jail don't fall through the cracks.

Picked up one about a month ago and like it. Had Truglo H3 sights put on it. It had a 7 to 7.5 pound trigger and the rough Glock trigger face. Well this is the first Glock I have decided to mod. I used fine wet/dry paper to smooth the trigger face and make the trigger safety lever even with the trigger when the trigger is pulled. I polished the metal internals with 500/1000/2000 grit polish compound and polishing wheell . The polishing dropped the trigger pull down about a pound due to removing some very rough edges. You will get rough edges on stamped metal. I then replaced the striker spring with a Ghost INC. 4.5 pound spring and the safety plunger spring with a Ghost INC. reduced power spring. This reduce the pull down to 4.5 pounds. This is the best and cheapest way to reduce the trigger pull. All this cost me $10.23 for the Ghost springs and has given me a good trigger and is much easier for me to shoot accurately. I have shot the pistol after each mod to see what improved and what needs more improvement. I have gotten to the point where I am very happy with this pistol for carry. I now have about 1,450 rounds thru it.

People killed by drunk drivers are just as dead as people that are killed by being shot. I had to deal with drunk drivers for 40 years in the ER and so many times they were belligerent and hateful to deal with, even when they had killed someone. They know they should not drive but do it anyway. Just as a shooter knows he shouldn't do it but does anyway.

Linda Cristal - High Chaparral?

I went and got a membership today. You can shoot any of their rental guns available. Not new guns off the shelf. But they had a huge rental section of handguns and Rifles.

A woman that has involved LEO has overcome that particular fear. She does have the option of putting them into storage somewhere, or a family member's, or friend's house.

Welcome!

Crazy people don't know they're crazy. I, however, know I'm crazy, therefore I'm not crazy.

It should worry you. And you should know what the Red Flag laws in your state are. Do you know? Do any of you know? I don’t know and I have asked several times on this forum without a response from anyone in law enforcement or any laws quoted. My guess is from what I’ve seen posted on the internet that they can take your guns, and have you committed pretty easily; I don’t think there are many rules in places for you getting your weapons back. Hence…no due process. My support is for doing away with this “do whatever you like” process and have a specifically called out set of rules and regulations of due process. Is your neighbor calling the Police accusing you of a crime? Or just thinks you are nuts? The Officer sent out may knock on your door and hear what you have to say, or he may not. Anyone can accuse you of a crime. If there is probable cause to believe the “victim” the Officer will arrest you or use his discretion and not arrest you. If after talking to you, the Officer decides no crime has been committed; he will leave. If after reading you your rights (the first indicator you are the suspect of a crime) and you talk to him he may either arrest you or believe you and not arrest you. If you invoke your right to remain silent he will move forward with whatever information he has. Would Red Flag laws and Domestic Violence laws be used against innocent people in family situations and Divorces? Of course, everyday would be my guess. If you expect that is going to happen you better have a plan to cover your butt; or you will likely be in jail. Sorry, but you married her; if you can’t handle your personal life that’s what happens. Be ready to take responsibility for your actions. Or…Life’s not fair; wear a helmet. That's not Directed at you Hipower; just a general statement.

I have at least heard of them, but lifetime is 1K, vs $150 for SAF above. NRA was also expensive and they keep coming up with levels to keep asking for money. I don't mind donations, but don't try and hook me with membership levels. Trinkets are a good way to get donations, as GOA has a 50 cal bottle opener that comes with one year membership. Yea, it is not about the trinkets I know, but I'd rather purchase stuff that support a cause than to listen to people trying to scare me with "they are coming for your guns" tactics, I know they are coming, stop wasting money mailing me stuff. Trinkets have the added value to them as free advertising, I have had a few join to get the 50 cal bottle opener. The NRA roundup program is great, wish they would, if legal, do more of that. Rent a car, buy a product etc from a sponsor, get a discount and [insert pro gun group here] gets a donation. Edit, looks like that deal is seasonal, about $5 off:

Most 7-11s I have been in barely have 21 feet of room in any direction.

We could all turn all of our guns in and it wouldn’t satiate them. The commie turds hate you and won’t be happy until we are all dead in the gulag. What many of them don’t get is that a lot of them will be laying next to us.

Gotcha. I don't know if he can get behind JUST that kind of law and make them happy. And if so for how many shootings will it carry us to the next law ? As others have mentioned earlier in this thread and others the left wants full stop and appear to hear nothing short of that. All I see is 1 law turning a good % of law abiding citizens into felons whenever they need them to be. Sure glad I don't have kids ....

I’ve got a few of their lights. I’m still playing around with them and evaluating them, but I have been thoroughly impressed so far.

And if one can't be rehabilitated don't put them in prison where we have to feed and house them, eliminate the threat. And not by a $40,000 lethal injection, just hang em.

All I've done to mine is change the sights. I love Glock plastic sights...because they are so easy to remove lol. I'll polish the internals sooner or later, but I doubt I'll mess with springs on a carry gun. I was irritated that Comp-Tac wouldn't make a CTAC for the 48 and I told them more than once. One day, I realized that they make a 43 CTAC. I bought one and put the Dremel to work. Now I have the best carry gun I've ever bought with the best IWB holster made

You Gotta love .gov, where the ar pistol with arm brace is legal, but a small kid learning to deer hunt with a Thompson Contender single shot, 14” barrel 30-30 with a youth stock mounted is a felony. I’ll stick with “shall not be infringed”.

If the threat is real, it doesn't matter if you remove the guns or not if you keep the knives, cars, bats, sticks, nail guns, screwdrivers, blowtorches, hammers, shovels, rakes, axes, etc. around.

If the threat is that real then the person should be removed from the firearms, not the other way around.

Tie voting age to age restrictions on guns.

Another "remedy" I surprisingly haven't heard this time around is age resrictions bumped up to 21. (I am against this but perhaps an enhanced BG for under 21s is something they will look at?) unconstitutional I'm sure. And not fair to young people. BTW, Might stronger BG checks that have been discussed entail just fixing the glitches in the system we already have in place? Nothing new...Just clean up the errors and ommisions that occur. Haven't there been cases where people who are banned by existing laws gotten a gun despite a BG check? Dems and Repubs should be able to agree on that without debate. That's low hanging fruit.

If red flag laws are passed, we need something in the law that says any falsely accusing someone out of malice gets a mandatory 1 year in prison.

Like my question yesterday in another post, cite for me any gun control law that's stopped a mass shooting or any murder. Hasn't happened...

I normally avoid indoor ranges but I agree with you on this one. It's a nice place. I went to school with one of the employees(Johnny). He's a great guy and knows his stuff too. I took 3 friends from Spain shooting at this range and they had a fantastic time. I've never had a bad experience there and all the staff bend over backwards to help.

Early on, i learned the hard way to always buy extra mags when you even think they are proprietary. Later on, those mags are sometimes worth more than the firearm. BTW... i got a return email from FRA and they are not out of business. Admittedly, they were on the ropes for several months but apparently have figured out a plan to rebound. I hope they do well. I like the CSA45. Very accurate and runs clean too.

Place a #2 pencil in barrel not sharpened with eraser setting against beech face so firing pin will launch it if working.

When is the media going to start taking some responsibility for stoking and promoting these lunatics? Glorifying these cowards may sell ad space, but it does our country a great injustice. I do not blame the media alone, but they do hold a percentage of blame each time these things happen in my opinion. I'll not hold my breath.