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It doesn't matter how we interpret commercial sales. Ultimately, it only matters what the federal government thinks. So while I tend to agree with your example, it's not up to us. That's the scary part of this proposal.

I disagree. Term commercial sales implies sales from a business, not personal items. If you sell your personal car on craigslist you are not involved in commercial car sales.

Here is an example from a bill that was VETOED in New Hampshire. I have linked the full info but just posted what I thought was the pertinent part. Had this bill passed in our state, it would have made a sale on this forum between private parties, a Commercial sale. And that is what they attempted to do in NH.

That’s why I posted that we need to know what that means. They are simply spit balling and we are just making wild azz guesses. Like any legal document or term; it will mean what they say it means.

You're correct in saying that TGO as an entity isn't the one selling firearms, but the transactions brokered through the Trading Post can clearly be counted under even a loose interpretation of "advertised commercial sales". As to the second part, the background check process is somewhere between an annoyance and an impediment, but I doubt courts would see it as an infringement on rights since background checks on retail sales of firearms are widespread and accepted under law and due process, while murky at times is present.

I very much disagree. TGO isn't selling firearms. All we are doing is connecting people with each other, and the transactions of personally owned items that occur between individuals aren't commercial sales. If the government decides that an individual can no longer sell their privately owned firearm to a person other than a family member without it going through a background check, then the government has essentially made a step toward firearms becoming non-transferrable items which is a step toward banning them entirely. You folks need to be thinking about that pretty hard and burning up your representatives' phone lines when the sun rises Thursday.

The problem with laws passed like this is that terms like “commercial sale” are left up to the regulatory agency (BATFE) to define. Dollars to donuts, the sales listings of sites like Armslist, Gunbroker, and TGO get classified as a “commercial sale”. After all, there is a commercial transaction involved in the posting of the ads through per ad or membership fees.

I have always thought the hype about Leupold and other high end scopes was blown out of proportion. I finally broke down and bought a vintage Vari-X III 3.5-10x40 after seeing everybody's recommendation for a scope on the model 70 i bought a few months back and wow. What have I been shooting with all these years? Crystal clear and i love the eye relief.

Be careful! Do yourself (and your wallet) a favor if you’re really impressed with that Leupold and don’t ever put a Nightforce optic to your eye. They’re a hella expensive addiction to take up.

It’s worth noting for the record that over reliance on military contracts was what put them into bankruptcy last time.

What principle? Colt has been in financially precarious waters the past few years and the AR market is flooded. It makes perfect sense to get out of ARs for the time being. Their timing is unfortunate because it helps feed the loony left's narrative that retailers, manufacturers, and gun owners all support bans, but nothing indicates that Colt has bowed to pressure from the anti-2A crowd.

If that email is legit he’s not real sharp. McConnell has said he won’t put up a bill for a vote that Trump won’t sign. It wouldn’t be “illegitimately scanning”; it would be illegally scanning. We need facts; not some clown fear mongering to sell memberships. However, it wouldn’t hurt to contact your legislators and let you know what you think. Because right now; background checks on private sales has a lot of support.

Well I have read about all of the posts here and no doubt the subject is a hot one. I read Garufa's post and also the link. I do admit it does make a little cause for alarm but then at the end of the Link was where it said that C Schumer and Nancy Pelosi both told Trump that it would be unacceptable for Trump to not pass the bill according to how it was written by the House!!! That would be giving Trump an "ultimatum of our way is the only way" and I'm not sure he accepts them to well, Especially from a couple people he really seems to not like to begin with. I'm not seeing Mitch McConnell moving to fast to jump on the Schumer/Pelosi band wagon either. Also right now Trumps numbers are down by about 9% and I don't think he wants to go against 85% of his base right now and have his ratings take a big hit. I think if Trump signs anything it will be what he wants and not what he is told by the enemy to sign...............JMHO

Not exactly. The definition of Commerce according to Miriam Webster is "the exchange or buying and selling of commodities on a large scale involving transportation from place to place" The big question would be the interpretation of the phrase "on a large scale". Firearms are commodities and we do transport from place to place, so on a large scale is the critical piece. This of course is only if they don't create their own definition, but I suspect they would consider places like TGO to qualify as "on a large scale" simply because it is a firearms focused website. Universal Background Checks are coming, it's not if, it's when. A registry is my concern. I still say the answer is a voluntary, free background check system for everyone. That along with a free "stolen firearm search" would most likely be the best overall result for realistic results. People who don't care now won't care then and those who do will take the time to do a quick check if it is easy and free. The problem is no one believes they won't track it.

I see the slope a bit steeper and more slick. We have to fight for the 2nd, the commies want us disarmed, weather you think so or not.

I have zero vested interest in MS Brass. I'm simply passing along a good company that offers good brass at a fair price. If you can find better cheaper, go for it. If not, then pay more. Either way it makes no difference to me.

I don't think you sound paranoid at all Elliot. Your analogy was spot on. David is right that TGO doesn't sell guns but TGO does promote/facilitate it in a way. Just like RK does for gunshows. The proposed law could easily be interpreted to include places like TGO. Furthermore, even if initially allowed, this could always be "tweaked" with the stroke of a pen to ban entities like TGO from allowing sales. We saw just how easily bump stocks went from legal to not. It wasn't even voted on, just decided.

Cool. I ordered it yesterday and looking forward to getting it in.

Woman (CJ) had a rough life!

Direct link to the Firearms Policy Coalition's brief on this matter... VERY much worth reading. https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5388/attachments/original/1568847447/2019-9-18-fpc-policy-memo-fed-idea-doc.pdf?1568847447

In rereading the language used, “a background-check requirement would be extended to all advertised commercial sales, including sales at gun shows” I believe it absolutely would include all classified ads. I would posit that a private sale made between friends/family that did not involve a posted ad listing would be what is exempt. It would break down like this, list an ad on a website, publication, or go to a commercial gathering such as a gun show or swap meet, BG check needed. Your buddy Bob asks you how much you want for that revolver or you ask uncle Charlie how much he’s willing to give you for that Glock of yours he’s been drooling over, no BG check. That would place a BG check requirement on far and away the vast majority of private sales.

She’s a step up from the real one.

Maybe the aunt should have spent more time making sure her nephews didn't grow up to be feral humans. If 3 armed and masked dudes broke into her house how would she react? You know why I (and the OVERWHELMING majority of folks) have never been shot while breaking into a house? I don't break into houses. Play stupid games...win stupid prizes. I'm sorry but I just really don't have much sympathy for people who plan to rob and kill people. On a side note...so much for bad things only happening in "bad" neighborhoods.

You mean like this?

The problem with polls, besides being way too easy rig with the right questions, is that it's simply people's opinion. When you are asking people about policy and complex issues, I would say close to 99% have absolutely no clue about what they are being polled about. I would love to see a poll done where after they poll they give an education about the issues and repoll to see how much it changes.

My first reaction when I saw this post in the hunting/fishing section was that someone is about to get a visit from TWRA.

Sorry to say, but more than likely any person that may have been like these 3 were aborted over the years. From 1970 -2015 the CDC says about 45.7 million babies have been aborted. Very possible there were doctors and scientists that could have found the cure for cancer and unknown other diseases. Presidents, senators, congressmen, supreme court justices and the list goes on and on and on.

Did anyone catch the street name for Roman Arms address? It's Snowflake Dr.

We may have broke steak together but...................this is a S&W Revolver. I take no prisoners and make no apologies. LOL.

They don't call hilbilly zip codes.

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