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Hello everyone! The fact that I am able to leave this here is truly nothing short of a bona fide miracle. If any of you ever thought that God doesn’t still move the fact that I am alive proves otherwise. I will update folks as I can but a few days ago we were talking about me never leaving us hospital alive and now we’re talking about when I’ll be able to go home. For me at this point in my life going home will be moving back to Ohio which is where all my family are. Don’t entirely know what my situation will be like we’re gonna have to go through a lot of physical therapy to build up my strength but I wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all of you folks did for me. God bless you all!

Thank you all for the discussion, as I have learned from the group. I hope this never happens to any member, and can now from experience say, "Turn the other cheek", as legally I might of been justified, the reality would have set in that my one finger salute set in motion the events that took a life. Even though the other party played a part, and had no business trying to come into the car, I am responsible personally, even if not legally, for my actions, and testament. I hope this experience, can be used as a lesson, and maybe save a member from being put in a similar situation, or having to live with a decision.

Wishing you all a Happy New Year and a solid "Good Riddance" to 2020. Here's to hoping that 2021 is infinitely better!

Sorry guys. Like I said, I got this from another forum and didn’t know it was a scam. I figured someone from the Nashville area knows this Jack and could check him out. I was curious that no address was on his webpage.

Let me think about this... Website appears to have been established on Dec 5, 2020. According to their website, they have been able to line up companies all over the US and Canada that freely sell the inventory of scarce products to Jack's Reloading, And they want payment by Venmo or Bitcoin??? Think I'll pass on this one. I'm too busy working with a Nigerian bank to get my huge inheritance from somebody I never knew.

As a general rule, the indiscriminate nature of a booby trap is what has led to them being illegal. They’re illegal in every single state as far as I know. The fact is, the booby trap doesn’t care who trips it, or why. The legal ability to use force, lethal or otherwise, against another requires the conscious action and judgement of a reasonable person that a threat exists. A booby trap in incapable of meeting that criteria.

Well fellas, this thing followed me home last night thanks to Classic Arms. Grips aren't as rough as they appear in pictures and I particularly enjoy the placement of the slide release! Excited to slap an RMR on here for TaCtIcaL SiTuaTiOnS . Trigger leaves more to be desired but features a decently crisp break. Overall I'm happy I put down my bucket of Glock Kool-Aid, albeit for just a second. Thanks for all the constructive feedback!

This may be one of the best threads on TGO I've read in over six and a half years hanging out on this site. Very cool to be able to read the vignette and replies presented. @MarkSas others have said, thank you for being so open and self-reflecting on the incident. We're learning from the benefit of your experience and the conversation it sparked. It's a great benefit to all of us. I think you handled it as well as can be expected when presented with a threat. I also think you have a lesson learned on flipping people off, But these are two separate points in my mind since your actions don't lend any sort of justification to the person's actions in response. Giving the guy a warning may well have had a butterfly effect that kept him alive, and you out of legal hell. I hope for their sake it was a wake-up call about how to live with others...but I'll not get my hopes up. I'm also grateful to learn about these what you experienced with the vehicle lock...I'm still driving a Ford Ranger I bought in 2002, so that a door will unlock after putting the vehicle in park is (disturbing) news to me. Glad there is a way to fix that after purchase.

I called the number several times and it went straight to voicemail. No part of the voicemail even mentioned the company’s name. Also, their payment methods appear to be shady and offer the buyer no protection whatsoever. I did leave a message for them to return my call. I’ll post an update if I ever hear from them. However, this appears to be one of those “too good to be true” situations.

Well I said I would take one the moment it was available. Here it is.

Just a thought here. Had you not flipped the guy off, would the rest of the scenario have played out as it did? I'm generally a pretty calm man, but having someone say "FU" to my face, through words or gestures, really, REALLY ticks me off. Frustrations can be high in heavy traffic, and sometimes a simple thing like waving the guy on by, right of way or not, can diffuse a situation such as you describe. FAR better, in my opinion, to avoid the confrontation in the first place. A honked horn is one thing, a bullet in the chest another. Mind you, I am NOT excusing the passenger's actions. If someone tries to get into my car my reaction will be similar to yours, but what I am saying is that your gesture contributed.

Happy New Years everyone.

You guys rock and my eye sight sucks. It is a 4C. Thank You.

Just picked this up last Friday at Goodlettsville Gun Shop, they handled the Transfer for me. I purchased this one off of another site I belong to. Came with orginal bag, owners manual, and one Mag. I found another orginal Mag. and bought it, man the original Mags. are expensive if you can find them. As soon as I feel well enough I'm going to take it out and run some rnds. through it. I've always wanted one of these for some reason.

At some point, you’d think a judge should bear some responsibility for repeat offenders.

I've shot maybe 500-115g through my newly acquired 509 no FTF/stove piping at all....pretty sweet pistola...

When someone unknown comes down our drive at night, they are most likely looking for their coon dog.

Juries surprise me with regularity.

I'll second (or third?) the thought that flipping someone off is never going to de-escalate a situation. What exactly were you trying to accomplish by flipping them off? No one in the history of mankind has been calmed down or had their poor behavior corrected by someone flipping them off. But it has led to a lot of fights. And just because YOU (and most normal people ) might not be willing to cripple or kill someone over an insult there are "feral people " out there that absolutely are. Jail is full of people who do not "act like normal people" who have killed people over seemingly minor insults. Personally I'm a big proponent of living by the advice found in Romans 12:18 . If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. When my wife and I first started dating (20 years ago) she asked me why I seemed to never get really upset when people did dumb stuff while driving . I told her I generally stay pretty calm because ... 1. Getting angry about stupid stuff solves nothing 2. I'm "secure enough in my manhood" to not feel the need to prove anything 3. Because I have the ability and skill to kill pretty much anyone I come in contact with I prefer to avoid those situations where I might be forced to do that if at all possible. 4. I'd rather not instigate a fight with my significant other as a bystander or an accidental participant in a fight between armed people. As far as your reaction once the fight was on? From what you describe I don't have any major complaints. Having to fight while seated in the car sucks but we deal with what we are dealt. I've done it so I know what I'm talking about. In fact my particular situation is actually somewhat similar to this even if it started differently. We can argue that striking dude with the pistol can lead to it getting grabbed but I have done the same thing for real and the dude was so surprised that he just got muzzle punched that he just backed up. As to not shooting him? That's a personal choice. If you felt that you didn't NEED to shoot him that second then you probably didn't NEED to shoot him that second. There is a big difference between making the conscious decision NOT to shoot because of how he reacted and being too paralyzed with fear to shoot . Sounds like you made a conscious decision to not shoot. You are the only one who was there to make the decision and the decision seems to have been right. As they say "All's well that ends well".

I came to the same conclusion after contemplating, as a knee jerk reaction caused a unnecessary situation. Definitely have to own my own faults, as a traffic dispute is not worth a life, but listed that detail for full disclosure and discussion.

Hello everyone. I want to do another update to let everyone know what’s going on. Please forgive any spelling errors or words that don’t necessarily make sense because for the most part I have to do this by voice rather than trying to type it out on my iPhone. Whether or not I will survive this to ever leave the hospital is still unknown . However most of the drugs they had to use the past few days just to keep me alive are now down to almost nothing. Once I’m completely off those drugs they will be able to move away from the intensive care unit down to a normal floor. That does not mean I am anywhere near out of the woods but it does at least mean they can then start concentrating on my most serious problems which is congestive heart failure along with some liver and kidney damage. The ultimate hope is that I will eventually be able to not just move to a regular floor but actually be able to leave the hospital to some sort of new situation. assuming that is able to happen at some point in the future I will be moving back to Ohio to be with my family. Bottom line is that my life is going to change in a huge way and most of my independent living will be gone. I hope however much time I have left whether it’s six months or a couple of years I can stay active enough to still enjoy life. One thing I can say without any hesitation here’s that I’ve had an incredibly good life with incredibly good friends and that my faith is strong enough for me to know that no matter what happens I WII be OK for me to live is Christ and to die is gain. sometime tomorrow I will be making final decisions about things such as resuscitation and what kind of procedures I’m willing for them to engage in should they need to. I already know I’m not gonna have them do anything extraordinary but it will be OK. I can also say this about the people at Riverside Murfreesboro. The nurses and the staff here have been incredibly loving and caring people. my immediate family from Ohio Will be stopping by again tomorrow morning before heading back to Ohio but my sister will be driving back down a little bit later on in the week and plans to continue to do so until we know more about what the future may hold. I can’t begin to tell you how amazing and incredible the outpouring of support has been or how much your generosity has meant - all of you have proven just how wonderful the firearms community is . Hopefully I will still be able to keep you updated on where I am and what’s happening to me but should that not be possible I want to make sure that you know how much I appreciate all that you have done. my best wishes to all of you for an incredibly good year in 2021 and make sure you know all of you have made a difference for me!

You/We/I need a sentry

New tonight(Channel 5?) reported crime stats way up in Donelson Area. A cop was shot at while answering a call recently it said. And woman killed there very recently also. Times they are a changing guys and gals. Be diligent. Be alert. Be armed.

If posted in wrong area, please move accordingly, as I could not determine which area would be best. On Christmas Eve, at Opry Mills, a very real and tense moment occurred. As my wife and I were about to pull out of Bass Pro, a car coming up the secondary lane slammed on their horn. I had the right away, and in the holiday spirit, I wished them a one finger holiday greeting. The car then cut over to the opposite lane of traffic and cut in front of me, blocking me in. Within seconds, the passenger was out of the car, and attempted to break the driver window with his elbow. I immediately pushed the car into park, as I went to draw my sidearm. Upon putting the car in park, my Camry automatically unlocked the doors, never realized that little detail before. The man was grabbing for the door already, and when it unlocked,, he slung the door open, and lunched at me. He was immediately hit in the face with my pistol, which startled him. He took a couple of steps backward, looked me in the eyes, then reached for his waist. At that moment I screamed stop or I will shoot. He looked at me for what felt like ten seconds, then literally jumped in the other car, and they sped off. Over the past few days I have wondered what legal grounds did I have, and not the "you would be fine", but would I have had to spend years fighting this in court? Did I use good judgment not firing, or was this a case that I could have been killed myself, and should have pulled the trigger? I have trained with guns for over 30yrs, literally started as a child. I have been to class after class, and never thought I would question a decision. The outcome was fortunate as neither my wife or I were hurt. But was this a scenario of being cool headed or was this hesitation that could have gotten myself, wife, or both killed? Please take a minute to consider your response, as a week ago I thought my reaction would have been different. Secondary factors and additional details: 1. Weather was clear 2. It was around 3pm in the afternoon 3. I did not have the "adrenaline" spike, in fact it was one of the clearest moments I have ever had. 4. Pistol I had was a Beretta APX Centurion 9mm 5. I never stepped out of the car 6. Driver of the other vehicle was a woman, and I had clear sight of both, upon drawing. 7. Yes I filled police report, but they seemed to chalk it up to holiday road rage, and didn't really seem to care. This was not a fear issue, as I drew my weapon, just as I have always trained. This is a "If this ever happened again, should I have neutralized the threat" Thank you for your time.

Happy New Year. 2021 here we come.

I guarantee that if anyone were to find themselves injured by any sort of trap on your property, this thread right here will be taken into account by the relevant authorities. The internet is forever. This is a line I wouldn’t walk anywhere near.

Go get you a new clip and have some fun with it. I bet it’s really accurate.

I am back home now but I will have them send pictures of the writing. Very possibly it’s a 4C. Since finding a model 40 magazine is impossible

After looking at the prices and briefly doing some digging around, I expected it to be a scam. I figured I’d call them anyways just to see if anyone would answer. With a 615 area code, if they were a legit company I’d just drive to their location and pick up. I fully expected it to be bogus. After some Google searching. I know it’s definitely bogus.

Good video on lots of these types of ammo scams that have popped up lately. Not surprised that they might have moved into the realm of components. That’s not pointed at the OP at all, in fact, thanks @Beltfed for posting this and reminding me of the issue. I forgot to post about those scams when I first learned of them.

Doesn’t give me a good feeling about spending my money and hoping something ships.

I'm not familiar with them, but appreciate the head's up. Thank you. Does anyone know anything about them? I did read their "About Us" on their website. Just being cautious, not negative.

The lighter spring that comes extra in the bag with the tactical model is there for shooting with a suppressor. It worked better in mine with the lighter bullets until it was broken in well. Great shooter now with any ammo or spring.

I watched a news special the other night about the Broken Juvenile Legal system and it is not broken. It is almost non-existent. Some Officers have arrested a Juvenile for possession of a stolen fire arm at 7PM and arrested him 4 hours later and he had another gun when they arrested him the second time. He was released at 7:30 to his mother and she said he never went in the house but took off soon as she stopped her car at home. The police said that the system is just a swinging door. The singer that was killed during a car hijacking was shot by a 13 year old that had 5 prior arrests with 3 of them for stolen gun violations during the commission of a felony armed robbery. He was arrested with 3 friends for the murder and he is the only one still locked up and his mother said she hopes they try him as an adult and he gets a long prison sentence. During the report it was said that the zip code for north Nashville and Madison area has more juvenile arrests than any other place in America. Now with that said, if an officer shoots and kills one during the commission of a crime they want to hang the officer for doing his job!!! They asked one officer if he had any idea how to fix the problem and he said yes, just 1. Pass a law the permitted people the right to use deadly legal force to protect their property without fear of prosecution and it would take a short time and you would begin to see the numbers go down pretty quick. He said until you put some fear in these young people that they can be killed by the property owner they will continue to do as they please because they don't fear being arrested.

Something like a S&W M&P AR .22 rifle. Not only are they fun in their own right, but they're a useful trainer for the AR platform.

I would let the price of ammo determine what I scratched the itch with if I were going out today to buy. But thats just me.

Fantastic news.

I belong to the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Net. 360-978-5200. They have a good program (IMO the best benefit for the money)for those who join and the cost is much more likeable. Call and talk to them. It is not insurance but they do the same as others insurance companies. I pay 85.00 per year and I think the first year is a little higher. I been a member for years, and consider it just like homeowners insurance. My advice on your incident, forget the one finger salute next time. You did well except for that one item. glad it turned out for the best. A lot of hotheads out there who are wearing a chip on their shoulders this-day-in-time. "Best to turn the other cheek", if possible, then go on your way. Edited to ADD; Call ACLDN 360-978-5200 and ask them for a copy of a short booklet, "What Every Gun Owner Needs to Know About Self-Defense Law." They will send it to you at NO charge to you, and with NO obligation. The book is one of the best I have seen to be a short education on self defense law. ITS FREE GUYS. 20 pages of great info. MarkS, you can weigh your incident with true knowledge on the S D Law. You can see why your salute could be detrimental to your case. Get the book guys. FREE

I'll go along with the others. Every serious gun owner has to have a least one .22. Most of us have a bunch of 'em.

Mark, First and foremost, thank you for the courage to share your story and for doing so with incredible transparency. Self-awareness is something a lot of people lack. Kudos to you for thinking back through the event with a critical mind and considering what you might have done differently or not at all were you forced to repeat it. Hindsight is, as they say, a bitch. I won't kick you for flipping the guy the bird because despite my greatest intentions I still reflexively issue it from time to time. I always seem to regret it the instant I find myself doing it, but so far have only regretted it due to self-awareness and not because someone escalated the situation in response. I need to do better. That said, I applaud you for keeping your wits and not putting holes in that guy. As others have said, when he entered the car you had what most experts would agree was reason to fear for your life. Shooting him then would have likely been justified, albeit it often leads to a trial in court where we hope that the jury agrees. I second the motion of obtaining carry insurance. Chances are great that you will never, ever, need it again. But it's worth having in case you do. And, really, damn those moronic automobile manufacturers that make the default setting for modern cars to unlock the doors once in park, or unlock all of them at once, or unlock them once the ignition is turned off. I guess they all live with their heads in the sand or in utopic societies. One of the first things I do with any vehicle I rent or buy is disable that garbage. I'm glad you're still among us and not having to hire a good attorney.

I disagree, my opinion is that attempting to break his window and forcibly entering his vehicle, justified the use of deadly force. But…. that’s just my opinion. Good thing he didn’t have to find out.

Got insurance for that.

This was not a scenario of being cool-headed. A guy blew his horn and you escalated the situation. Nothing cool-headed about that. This guy of course bears the responsibility of escalating things way out of proportion, and your warning to him may have created enough of a break in the cycle of escalation that you didn't have to shoot him. You deserve credit for that. But what if you'd broken the cycle of escalation earlier by not flipping the guy off? The fact that you're analyzing the situation now for lessons to be learned is also a plus. As always -- observe, learn, and move on. Cheers, Whisper

Someone trying to get into your car certainly means to do you harm. I think that a reasonable person would call it a good shoot, but my opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it. If nothing else your incident has reminded me that I need to look into overriding the auto unlock feature on my Tundra. I hate that it does that. If I pull over for lunch, or I'm checking my phone before I go into a store, I want my doors locked, especially since my attention is not focused on my surroundings.

https://www.wiley.law/alert-ATF-Interpretive-Change-Restricts-Handgun-Imports-and-May-Require-NFA-Registration

Just replaced the compressor and switching valve thing about two weeks ago. $1100, still had heat, propane. Then the gas man topped off the tank about a week ago. Honey, we're getting heat for Christmas!

And I thought this was going to be a car thread.... My Prowler

My drive is close to 1/4 mile long, I got us a drive way alarm. It "sees" the steel from the vehicle to set it off. Wireless as well. So animals wont set it off. Dakota Alert DCPA-4000 Wireless Driveway Alarm System - DCR-4000 Receiver and DCPT-4000 Vehicle Detecting Probe Transmitter with 50-FT of Direct Burial Cable Have not had a vehicle get missed, even the mower sets it off.

i almost woke up the kids laughing at this! Yes they have metal detectors at the entrance, they also look though your backpack, not very well but they do it.

Robert, you've been a member here a long time. I know you aren't looking for charity but I hate to see you sell your gun just to put food on the table. I will personally send some money your way to help hold you over until unemployment comes. I can't speak for everyone but I bet we have some other members that will help. Do you have Venmo? It's a free app you download to your phone. All you have to do is link your bank account(it's safe).