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Nashville bar owners plan to ban guns | tennessean.com | The Tennessean Nightclubs, fearful of violence and liability, enact own rules in defensive approach to new Tennessee law By Kate Howard • THE TENNESSEAN • June 16, 2009 At Doc Holliday's Saloon, the sign over the bar that says "Please Check Your Guns at the Door" used to be a part of the décor. Now it's more of a political stance. Owner Josh Green says his location on Second Avenue is a quiet, mostly local haunt, but he acknowledges that he has shut the bar down on several occasions when violence has heated up a few blocks down. He can't imagine ever willingly letting someone into his bar with a sidearm. Just up the street, Jessie Lee Jones, the owner of Robert's Western World, says he is worried about armed people with ill intent coming into his bar, but he would feel hypocritical to deny the masses that right since he carries his own firearm most places. In the wake of a new state law that allows guns where alcohol is served, bar owners across Middle Tennessee are planning to post signs banning firearms from their establishments. The reason is twofold: public safety and concerns over what liability restaurants might have if they don't act and a shooting occurs. The law goes into effect on July 14. "This law is creating more problems than it'll alleviate," said Green, who opened his bar last fall. "You have to worry about serving people who are underage, people who drink too much, who want to fight. This doesn't help us." Though the National Rifle Association now counts 39 states with some type of law allowing guns where alcohol is served, many of those states have protections for business owners built in, protecting them from blame. The Tennessee legislature may have to pass more laws to protect bars, said Nashville attorney David Raybin. Until that happens, he says, he'd advise clients to post the sign and let someone else be a test case if a shooting were to happen. "My prudent advice would be that, because you have the capacity to exclude people with firearms, if you don't and someone is injured, you run the risk of a greater liability," Raybin said. "Whether that will pan out as a court holding that way is another matter." North Carolina tourist Mark Tilley said he isn't worried about Tennessee's new law. The truck driver was visiting this week with his son, Zachary, 8, and they both hunt and use guns. They don't worry about who may be carrying when they are out and about. But Tilley personally wouldn't bring a gun to a restaurant. He think's it's dangerous. "We don't want to intimidate anybody," Tilley said. "I try not to carry in public because I know people feel uncomfortable … law enforcement are really the only ones who ought to carry in populated areas." Group provides signs All of the business owners Walt Baker has talked to have felt the same way. Baker, CEO of the Tennessee Hospitality Association, said not a single restaurant owner he's spoken with has planned to go along with the new law. "We're going to be providing signage to our members," Baker said. "We're taking orders." While many business owners tell him they're worried about safety, the liability issue is the big unknown, Baker said. "All you have to do is look at the behavior patterns of society," Baker said. "If something happens, you're going to have to hire an attorney. … It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong these days." There are conflicting reports on how common laws like Tennessee's are in the nation. The National Rifle Association reports that 39 states now have some form of a law that allows carrying weapons in places that serve alcohol. The Legal Community Against Violence reports 22 states have laws that ban the practice. A law enacted last year in Georgia allows people to carry weapons into establishments that serve alcohol. The Georgia Restaurant Association opposed the law but ensured a provision was included to say that, so long as an owner wasn't aware that something was going to happen, he or she couldn't be held liable if it did. Owners there are also allowed to post a sign to ban guns if they choose, said Keisha Carter, public affairs director for the Georgia Restaurant Association. "There really hasn't been an impact one way or another," Carter said. "I can't say 100 percent that we all wanted this or not, but the overwhelming majority didn't want to have to make that choice." Jones, owner of the Broadway honky-tonk Robert's, says he will give the new law some time. He hopes, in return, the legislature will make a more stringent process to get handgun carry permits. "I'm willing to oblige, give it a chance and see what happens," Jones said. "But I know the other side of people, the evil side of people. These people should be monitored and evaluated. Before we hand out permits and allow a person to walk into my place of business, I think we should make sure this guy is a person we could trust." Bar owners outside Nashville are approaching the new law with caution. Pam Barnes has already called to have signs made for Coach's EastGate Grille in Lebanon. Barnes said that in her two years as owner, the bar has called the police only once, and that was because someone skipped on a tab. She'd like to keep it that way. "It seems like common sense," she said. At Buster's Place, a Murfreesboro establishment with three decades of history, owner Susan Crockarell definitely plans to ban guns. She has a full house most days, and lots of families who come for burgers. "We don't ever have any trouble in here, and we don't want to start," she said. "I can't imagine any bar owner wanting guns in there, but that's my own personal opinion."

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I was unaware that businesses used their insurance company to fight civil lawsuits as the result of a gun being brandish or a shooting at their establishment. Like all businesses, insurance companies are in business to make money. They will more than likely increase your insurance premiums for having to render services in defending your business. Whether the restaurant/bar owners use their insurance (when applicable) or hire their own lawyers still results in paying more money (decrease in profits) to run their business. Pretend I am the owner of a restaurant called Arnold’s and this establishment serves alcohol for consumption on site. The bulk of my paying customers are going to be non-HCP holders given the fact that HCP holders are a very small minority compared to the general populace. If my customers express concern about allowing people to “carry in bars†due to the spread of misinformation by the media outlets with their anti-gun bias, I would post my business to keep my paying patrons. There is another consideration for posting a ban of firearms at my establishment; by posting the ban of firearms, in the rare event of an incident with a HCP holder and other patrons sue my business, it should be easier to get the lawsuits dismissed since firearms are banned at my establishment. This means less money will be spent on lawyers. Otherwise, unless there is a precedent set by another court case like mine, I will need to go through a more expensive defense that is costing me more money for allowing firearms for HCP holders at my establishment. I wish David and all others that participate in the peaceful protest success in getting our message across in a positive manner. We are all on the same side. We just see different ways of solving the problem.

Please share with us the extra safety precautions you take when somebody is handling a firearm.

Voted at both polls.

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I do not believe protesting in front of businesses that post signs banning firearms at their establishments will be received by the public in a positive manner. First reason is that the business owners have the right to post banning firearms on their property or in their establishment. That is the law. Second reason is the owner will resent the protest, no matter how peaceful the protest, as hassling their paying patrons and their business. This will make the restaurant/bar owners resentful of HCP holders and will probably lead to them digging in deeper to fight against HCP carrying in their establishments. HCP holders are in the minority when it comes to their paying customers. Remember, it easier to get something you want by using honey than vinegar. Third, this may be about the liability. To restaurant/bar owners, if someone with a HCP brandishes their gun or uses their gun in a shooting, there is a very high possibility that a lawsuit will be filed against the restaurant (deeper pockets). Therefore, we should be willing to helping them by getting the TN legislator to pass a bill removing the liability. At least this will take away the liability as an excuse for preventing HCP carrying in their restaurants/bars. We need the media to help send a positive message to the public and consequently restaurant/bar owners that only the HCP holders will be allowed to carry legally and that the HCP holder must not drink. As of last year, 34 states, including five adjacent to Tennessee, allow handgun carry permit holders to take their guns into establishments that serve alcohol. I believe education is the key to winning the public opinion. Maybe stage a rally of education at the legislation plaza in Nashville with Q&A flyers to dispel the media myths. For those with connections, perhaps we should try to open a dialogue with restaurant/bar owners to see what their concern is. Is it personal bias, the threat of future lawsuits or something else?

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I laugh at his response and then I thought to myself, it is refreshing to hear honesty.

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