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Did an individual on March 12. Took it home on April 9.

ATF's definition of "engaged in the business" ATF Changes Definition of “Engaged in the Business” Written by Ricky Zyvoloski | April 15, 2024 | 0 comments The final version of ATF Rule 2022R-17 has been submitted to the Federal Register and will go into effect 30 days after the date of publication. The Final Rule broadens the definition of who is “engaged in the business” as a dealer in firearms and finalizes many amendments to regulatory definitions. A person will be considered to be “engaged in the business” as a dealer in firearms, when that person: Resells or offers for resale firearms, and also represents to potential buyers or otherwise demonstrates a willingness and ability to purchase and resell additional firearms (i.e., to be a source of additional firearms for resale)” Repetitively purchases for the purpose of resale, or repetitively resells or offers for resale, firearms— (i) Through straw or sham businesses, or individual straw purchasers or sellers; or (ii) That cannot lawfully be purchased, received, or possessed under Federal, State, local, or Tribal law… Repetitively sells or offers for resale firearms (i) Within 30 days after the person purchased the firearms; or (ii) Within one year after the person purchased the firearms if they are (A) New, or like new in their original packaging; or (B) The same make and model, or variants thereof As a former licensee (or responsible person acting on behalf of the former licensee), resells or offers for resale to a person . . . firearms that were in the business inventory of the former licensee at the time the license was terminated… and As a former licensee (or responsible person acting on behalf of the former licensee), resells or offers for resale firearms that were transferred to the licensee’s personal collection…” The Rule finalizes the amendment to the regulatory definition of “Dealer” to clarify that firearms dealing may occur wherever, or through whatever medium, qualifying domestic or international activities are conducted. The Rule also “finalizes an amendment to the regulatory definition of “engaged in the business” to define the terms “purchase” and “sale” as they apply to dealers to include any method of payment or medium of exchange for a firearm, including services or illicit forms of payment (e.g., controlled substances). “Resale” is defined to mean “selling a firearm, including a stolen firearm, after it was previously sold by the original manufacturer or any other person.”” Providing services is considered a medium of exchange, so the ATF has codified their “historical exclusion for auctioneers who provide only auction services on commission to assist in liquidating firearms at an “estate-type” auction.” The ruling states that a “licensee transferring a firearm to another licensee, must do so by following the verification and recordkeeping procedures in the regulations, rather than by using a Firearms Transaction Record, ATF Form 4473.” “The final rule recognizes that individuals who purchase firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or a legitimate hobby are permitted by the GCA to occasionally buy and sell firearms for those purposes, or occasionally resell to a licensee or to a family member for lawful purposes, without the need to obtain a license.” Without an FFL, an individual must ensure they are not “engaged in the business” and the transaction is not “to predominantly earn a profit”, which now focuses only on whether the intent of the underlying sale or disposition of the firearms is predominantly of the obtaining pecuniary gain. Individuals may continue to engage in private intrastate sales, without a license, provided the individuals are not “engaged in the business” and the transaction is otherwise compliance with the law.

And this is where the ATF will play pigeon chess. (If you don't know what pigeon chess is, pigeon chess is playing chess with a pigeon. Even if you beat the pigeon at chess, he's going to $#!t all over the board and tell everyone else he won). I expect that they will try to make examples out of a few (otherwise) law abiding citizens. A savvy defendant won't be able to recall exactly what he paid for it and know whether or not he is actually making a profit due to inflation and whatnot . But I'm the process is going to spend so much money in legal fees to clear his name that he will never to a private transaction again. The silver lining here is that it gives gun guys the ability to say "sorry honey, I just can't sell any guns, it's too risky."

I haven't dove deep into this (yet anyway) but from what I have seen so far it seems to me that this won't change much of anything. "Attorney General Merrick Garland said: "If you sell guns predominantly to earn a profit, you must be licensed." From what I previously know of the ATF regs on this issue, the ATF has the ability to decide if someone is selling firearms for profit and there is no magic number of sales that must be made for them to declare that the individual is selling for profit. Technically, a guy who finds a smoking deal can't legally (per ATF) buy a gun with the intention to resell and earn a profit. That would be a violation. However, I wholeheartedly believe that while buying a single gun with the intent of turning a profit may violate ATF policy, a guy selling 50 guns out of a collection does not. But that's just my perception. As always, anything the ATF does, I don't support, and I wish they would go the way of yesterday's lunch.

Back around 2010 I wanted one of these like Ralphie wanted a Red Ryder. Thing was, I was pretty broke at that point and the $69 Mosin Nagant I purchased that year had me eating more ramen than usual. Sounds like I didn't miss out on much.

He hadn't logged in since January 28, I wouldn't hold my breath.

See, what you want to do is have a solid argument. And if you don't have a solid argument, you want to attack your opponent. In this scenario, since you can't support your ideas with facts and logic, you tell your opponent that since they don't agree with you, it is automatic that they have no common sense. Don't fall for the BS.

I own 3 "older model" GT knives that are absolutely wonderful tools. These are just too nice for me to use.

Love, love, love it. I have at least a half dozen. 22 pistols. The TX is the cheapest of the bunch, and sees the most range time.

Looking for a threaded 10/22 barrel. The cheaper the better. eBay has plenty but thought I'd see if a TGOer has one laying around they wanted to part with. I'm in Lebanon but willing to pay shipping to an established member of you aren't close.

I've bought many guns on this forum that were unshot, or barely shot. Most of those came in their original box as well. Fact is, a lot of people buy guns on a whim and/or wind up never using a gun that they bought like they thought they would. Safes get crowded and what isn't being used has to get moved. There are a variety of reasons people move like new guns, but I've been buying guns on this forum for over a decade and have yet to have a bad interaction with an established member here and all purchases have been accurately described in the ad.

SPM

Agreed. Also file a noise complaint about the dog barking.

I'll be in Murfreesboro this evening if that pushes anyone over the edge.

By far not the most expensive .22 that I own, but if I could only have 1 this may be it. In my top 3 no question.

Just a basic 15-22. I have several .22 rifles and this one is one of my favorites. Only selling because I bought a threaded barrel model to run a suppressor on. I've had this one for a few years and have had zero issues with it. I do have the box. $350 in Lebanon

PM replied. It appears that TGO has come through yet again

I have a Smith and Wesson 15-22 non-threaded barrel model. Would like to trade for a threaded barrel model. May possibly be interested in purchasing a threaded barrel model of someone isn't interested in trading. I'm located in Lebanon.

Yep. I track my wife and my 14 year old daughter. My wife also tracks her father and her single best friend. Everyone except my FIL, (and sometimes our 14 year old) is 100% on board and aware. I don't really see a downside, except when I'm at the gun store for "too long" and my wife starts asking questions.

Glad you survived Vanderbilt Wilson County, that place is awful.

Tanker truly is the "gift" that continues to give.

Just curious, is that a wood stock? The BL22 was my first rifle, stop have it 25+ years later, mine is an early 70s as well. I've only seen nylon stocks on these.

All of y'all are over here being all scholarly and intellectual and I'm just spending 2-3 most weeks listening to Theo Von talk about cocaine and the redneck way of life.