Marswolf

What Len said....

Hey, if you add a condom to the picture, you could have lots of fun. Guns, booze, cigarettes and women (or men depending on your persuasion).

It's called hyperbole, Rabbi. But you probably can't understand that concept.

Tim, all of the above. But you were involved in that effort. You know what happened. I tried to get involved in starting a chapter in the Tri-Cities, but the guy who was working on it never found time for us to get together. Guess he wanted to do it by himself. Except for a bit of PM between us, the story is pretty much on the TFA board. IMHO, he picked a bad location and, to be fair to him, I don't think he had enough free time to work on it properly. A few posters in gun shops and club houses would have helped and there are a lot of ways to get free publicity that were not approached.

I guess a group hug is out?

God! I just went through hell!!! I spent some time over at Glock Talk trying to chase down more information about the chamber support. (Hey, I DO try to be fair) Not much about that, since the big change apparently doesn't exist, but I read post after post of pompous people saying (or convincing themselves?) how safe their Glocks are. They were just frantic - absolutely frantic - to say how safe they are with quality factory ammunition. It was so saccharine I thought I was going to develop diabetes. Even supposed Glock haters like me know they are sufficiently mechanically safe with quality once-shot ammo. You don't have to convince sensible people of that and you can't convince un-sensible people of anything. We won't go into Glock-leg/butt and stuff right now. You know, I like H&Ks and I like Berettas and Kel-Tecs and a bunch of other gun brands, but I don't spend time on gun specific boards. I only visit those boards when I'm looking for specific information about one of those guns. Most of what you read on those boards is how wonderful that gun brand is. Sort of a mindless mutual admiration society. It doesn't matter if its a H&K or Glock board. I can't stand to wade through the fluff and crap to get to the nuggets of true wisdom. I find my time is better spent on boards where you have people who like and dislike a variety of guns. Useful information come out of the food fights. I've learned some stuff over the years on boards where people fight about which guns are good and which are lousy. I first heard about Kel-Tecs and SA XDs on boards. Made me want to try them. I'm that way about M&Ps now because of comments on this board and those comments getting me to talk to other local gun users about them. Note that M&Ps and XDs are essentially Glock-like guns with additional features. And to keep this topic properly contentious... Have you noted that the M&P chamber is properly supported while the Glock isn't?

If you can't understand it now, you won't be able to later, Ricky.

For me, the Beretta 92 shoots best, followed by the P7M8. I do very well with the USP as long as I shoot at least once a month. I did fine with the G26 and G23 too. They just shot differently. I'm told that the change in feed ramp contour and additional chamber support came about with the Gen 3. That was what my G23 was. A quiet bit of a trade off of reliable feeding for a bit more safety.

Yes it stinks. No, the smell doesn't last.

Dave, just because you don't see people posting that they are professional LE, that doesn't mean they aren't on here reading and even sometimes posting. A lot of talk goes on in email loops too. You know the old saw about what assume means.

Well Rabbi, as you say, I guess the discussion is over. If you can't see why you would need to send the paperwork I probably can't help you understand.

Actually I tried to help form a Tri-Cities chapter at one time. I don't understand why the TFA constitution and bylaws are such a deep dark secret. Why not post them on the TFA website?

It's a stolen gun with an attempt to obliterate a serial number and they don't know that you are still the owner, if they ever knew. Duh! (as you say)

Damn, I missed that the meeting was last night. I would have asked someone to look at the constitution and bylaws for me that John says we can see at the meetings.

Apparently after some discussion the administrators decided that would be a violation of the students free speech rights. So I guess the answer is "no."

I'm doing some more training [sigh] and I've been trying to chase down the information about the "new" Glock supported chamber. I met a guy who is a real Glock fan. We had a good discussion about all things Glock and it was a really constructive conversation. He likes Glocks for the normal reasons, but is able to say nice things about other guns too, when warranted. He even said that the M&P was more accurate for him than his Glocks. After they resuscitated me, we continued the conversation.

I think it's about to happen between Georgia and Florida too. The Corps of Engineers is required by federal law to release a bunch of water daily from Lake Lanier for environmental reasons in Florida. Some mussels in Florida need the water. Of course Lanier is also a major source of drinking water for Atlanta. They are going for the courts for now, but we may have to arm the Corps pretty soon.

I corrected your link. Don't want anyone to think I'm censoring someone. I haven't heard of this. Have to check it out.

Yeah, I like the mechanical mics too. But I do like the digital scale. I zero it with the supplied weights at the beginning of each session. I've never found it to drift, but it's easy enough to place the weight on the scale to double-check if you are worried about it.

Is it time for a group hug yet?

Update on this story: ETSU has now decided the students may carry their holsters http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Detail.php?Cat=HOMEPAGE&ID=60440 Will ETSU students have to holster their planned rally? Jay Adkins, vice president of ETSU’s marksmanship club, stands with an empty holster. The university is reconsidering the decision to ban the “empty holster†demonstration. (Lee Talbert / Johnson City Press) By Sam Watson Press Education Writer swatson@johnsoncitypress.com An “empty holster†demonstration to promote campus firearm possession is getting a second look from East Tennessee State University administrators after they initially warned a student club that participation could result in discipline. “I was real happy to hear that they’re reconsidering that,†Jay Adkins, a vice president in ETSU’s Marksmanship Club, said Monday. “I was surprised at the reaction that I got, because right off the bat, it was a reaction of, ‘No, this can’t be done. It’s inappropriate.’†Club members had approached administrators about their intentions to don empty holsters for a national event organized by Students for Concealed Carry on Campus to support legislation that would allow permit holders to carry concealed handguns on college campuses. On its Web site, the national group cites last spring’s deadly Virginia Tech rampage and the 1999 Columbine High School massacre as reasons for the movement. “After such tragedies as Columbine and Virginia Tech, it is abundantly clear that the only way to stop mass murderers is to have responsible citizens in the classroom and on campuses able to carry their licensed handguns,†the site states. Opponents, including the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, argue that allowing concealed firearms on campuses would dramatically increase gun violence risks to college students. ETSU administrators originally shot down the idea of local participation in the empty holster demonstration, informing Adkins that any student seen wearing an empty holster on the campus would face discipline for disorderly conduct. Anyone who refused to remove a holster would face further sanctions for failing to cooperate with institutional officials. In an e-mail to Adkins dated Wednesday, ETSU Associate Vice President for Student Affairs and Dean of Students Joe Sherlin also noted deaths on other campuses as reason for the administration’s position. “Particularly in light of recent campus shootings, wearing a firearm holster on the campus can be intimidating and unreasonably disturbing to others and can create a disruption to campus activities,†Sherlin wrote. But on Friday, Sherlin said administrators were re-evaluating the original ruling and doing more research for a final determination. Attorneys at ETSU and its governing body, the Tennessee Board of Regents, were involved. “That was our initial response out of the box, but we continue to gather information on it and are in consultation with legal counsel on it even further, and we have decided that we need to take a look at it,†Sherlin said. Sherlin said the administration’s main concern was how others might react to seeing empty holsters at ETSU. “There’s a potential to create disturbance on the campus,†he said. “We have individuals coming in and out of campus. It’s a possibility that they could be disturbed by someone in a holster. They would not know if they have a firearm, and that could create a disruption.†Regardless of the administration’s decision about the empty holster demonstration, Sherlin said, club members would be free to use other methods to express themselves on the issue. “The request to have the protest has never been in question,†Sherlin said. “They’re free to protest on the campus and make their cause known, distribute literature. The only issue that’s in question is the request to use empty firearm holsters. “Freedom of speech is a key to a university as a marketplace of ideas. It happens all the time, and that’s part of what we’re about.†Adkins characterized his intentions in approaching the administration as a courtesy rather than a request. “I didn’t feel that we really required permission, but I wanted to be up front,†Adkins said. “If somebody were to have concerns, we wanted the administration (and) we wanted campus safety to know what was going on so that things couldn’t get escalated unnecessarily.†Although he spoke of that potential for escalation, Adkins said he did not consider the administration’s concerns about disruption legitimate, given the Marksmanship Club’s intentions of publicizing the empty holster campaign. “We were going to have flyers all over campus,†Adkins said. “We were going to be getting the word out that this was going to be happening. So, this was not going to be just students showing up one day with holsters.†He dismissed the notion that students, employees and campus safety officers would have difficulty differentiating between an empty holster and a real threat. “I would think if someone saw a holster, they would look and see there’s not a gun in there,†he said. “If it’s not in the holster, it would be in your hand. If they see a gun in your hand, that’s going to raise an alarm.†Adkins had a similar take on how people on campus would differentiate between someone carrying a weapon for protection and someone with harmful intent, saying campuses would be no different than shopping malls and other locations where permit holders can legally carry firearms. “We just want our rights to extend on the campus just like all of our other rights do,†Adkins said.

I think the stories about good and bad customer service with any company are useful. I just don't see this situation as indicating bad customer service. If I had been in your situation, I would have though it great if Taurus had offered a free fix to my robbery, obliterated serial number and police ID scratching problem. But I wouldn't have expected them to do it and I wouldn't give them a bad rap for wanting the police paperwork and charging for the repair. That's what I would expect them to do. I just don't think you were fair to Taurus for getting mad and accusing them of poor customer service because they wouldn't do the work for you for free. And from my experience with a Taurus 44R, I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. Fantastic revolver. I was dumb to sell it. One of the few guns I've ever gotten rid of that I regret having done so.

Well, Taurus may have great customer service or they may have terrible customer service. But complaining because they wouldn't fix your problem, that was in no way their fault - for free - tells us nothing about the quality of that service. It only tells us you wanted them to fix your problem at their expense.

And that the damn fan belt broke all the time.... And the heater sucked. And....

Hey, I get to think nice thoughts about Glock.