Marswolf

I like politicians with a backbone who will stand up for what they think is right - until I disagree with them and then I want them to represent my view.

I just don't understand why a TFA chapter in Nashville hasn't taken off already. Nashville has lots of restaurants at which to meet (hint). Speakers should be easy to find. Lots of gun owners. It should be simple to get a chapter up and running with a bunch of members. Wish I was close enough to support a Nashville chapter. Len would be a great idea for a chapter president. A pro-gun liberal Democrat. That should shake up some folks and be great for publicity. Might help him get elected to something too.

Guys, Tim is a kingpin of the Morristown chapter. He knows how to make a chapter work. Morristown is about half way between Knoxville and the Tri-Cities. Macho and I have planned to make one of their meetings but haven't been able to work out the details. I may be having more time to attend soon.

I've had my say about this - except for the pie thing. But those people who may want to know a bit more might take a look at http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=868 that has links to the video and reports. Or google "James Yeager" or "ERSM james yeager" (the latter without the quotation marks). Days of reading and the video takes a few viewings to catch everything, even after reading the incident reports. The JD goes in the pie? Oh...that's the problem.

Fair enough, but I'm not going to just hold my tongue any more if someone comes on here telling what a wonderful guy that cowardly POS is. I didn't start this thread.

Yeah, I've seen the video dozens of times. I have a copy on my computer. What I saw was Yeager run to the wrong location behind the vehicle, fire a few times, then run across the road leaving the wounded to protect himself. As Ayn Rand said, "A=A." I don't think there is any reasonable alternative to that interpretation. As I have said, I've talked to people in Baghdad about this and they have seen the video too. We are in agreement about what is obviously happening. Sorry you can't see that. I suspect that TR has a number of good people. They should ditch Yeager and start a training outfit with someone as the head who isn't a buffoon.

Yeah, we'll be your friend even if you don't give us money. I like pie as well.

Hey Mark, I once helped a friend "ambush" some CAP cadets who "stumbled upon a drug patch" as part of their training. If you like, I could organize a scout ambush at your place.

I'd say that any good training is good. If it's bad or stupid training, it's bad. Titan, thank you for your service. You should know by now that I one of the biggest boosters of military service here on the board. Your first post here on TGO told us of your service. It also told us: Almost all of your few posts on TGO mention Tactical Response. I believe you. You are one of those people who just love to train. Fine, it's your money. But I don't think you are going to find many combat veterans, or other military people who will have a warm and fuzzy feeling about a guy who hides to protect himself while his compatriots are getting shot up. I know you weren't a ground pounder, but still, your attitude amazes me. If Yeager is your friend, then I think your loyalty is grossly misplaced. I'm sorry you are going. I'm also sorry you can't see the truth about Yeager.

Nah, the three-letter utilities have some people who actually work too. But in the field, I'll take a good combat experienced Marine any day. Just keep reading.... Yeager worked for a minor player in the contractor game. They really did not have proper equipment, but that's what you get when you work for a scrub team. They did a lot of escort for business people back and forth to and from the airport. He would never have been hired by the top folks in the business for reasons that are now painfully obvious. And he did run for sheriff after this. Didn't get many votes though. I think he finished last in the vote count of five candidates.

Maybe we could get her to run?

There are some "topping-off" training schools. But they are generally for people who already have credentials and are mostly run by three-letter agencies or top military groups. Enrollment is pretty much invitation only and need driven. Fort Bragg used to have a school run by SF people with some interesting credentials. Some of the instructors are pretty legendary in the profession of arms. It typically took "special" civilians who would be put in harms way and trained them to survive and be damn good at it as well as teaching some excellent killing skills. To a degree, it was only partly training. Much of it was weeding out people who couldn't cut it. The class with which I am familiar had 20 students who were put under a rather harsh training environment. Of the 20 who started, 6 completed the course. There are rumors of some more schools like this operating out of military bases.

Back to Fred. Is it just me who thinks he is not very sexy? He doesn't seem to have much of a sense of humor either. That may not be good.

Good God! What kind of drugs are you taking? We need to do an intervention to get the Yeager cult out of your mind. And the proper way to handle an assault on an unarmored car is to use the engine block for cover - not hide in a ditch.

I hadn't heard that one Rabbi. Probably true.

I personally have nothing against Yeager for his inability to perform in Iraq. Some people freeze or run when they come under fire. Fight or flee. Classic psychological confrontation. They can't help it. But I see how he self-promotes and my conclusion is that he's a big windbag. If it quacks like a duck.... I can promise you that the men I talk to are not jealous of Yeager. They are top-line professionals and battle-proven. They laugh at him or are repulsed by him. They treat him with disdain mostly on the basis that he blamed the other men on the team, some of them dead, as an excuse for his lack of bravery. I'd be glad to meet him and tell what I think of him face to face, but I wouldn't cross the street to do so. And I certainly wouldn't be such a fool as to enrich him by taking a class. Tungsten, I have thought for some time along the lines of your question about whether the most hotly promoted "trainers" in this industry are more than good carnival barkers. Suarez, Piazza, and Yeager come to mind. They all have issues. I think I can add our little Russian Spetsnaz to the list. I'm not saying these people are incompetent or bad trainers, just that promotion seems to be more important to them than integrity. People like that are avoided in my world.

I believe in not cheating or doing something the will hurt your marriage. But some marriages are to people who are scum and the marriage isn't worth saving. I see no shame in divorce from someone who doesn't take their vows seriously - like Bill Clinton. Staying with him shows one of her character flaws. She stayed with him because it was politically advantageous for her. And my wife has told me she will divorce me if I vote for Hillary.

Well, I was brave enough to get wounded twice in southeast Asia, while I wasn't trying to hide. And I've had quite a few scrapes since then. I still move pretty well. Guess some people think I'm brave enough to repeatedly coax me out of retirement to carry a gun into touchy situations. I doubt that even at my age I'd have much of a problem with Yeager or his "trained" Rambozos. You see, I can still actually "operate." What Yeager did was leave wounded and dying (supposed) buddies to their own defense to go hide in a ditch. I talk to both current military guys and contractors in Baghdad. Ask those who have heard of him in that theater what they think of him. I can see why getting the heck out of Dodge is at the top of his list. But you don't do that with buddies getting shot all around you. You support them with suppressive fire and try to get them - them - out of there. Every military guy I know of worth anything at all has a different #1 rule - never leave a wounded buddy. That's the way men do it. All the rationalizing in the world won't make James Yeager into a warrior. All of his sideshow pomposity won't erase what he wasn't able to do. He tried and he failed when the bullets came his way. There is no shame in that. He tried. But he failed. Some people can't hack it, no matter how "brave" their braggadocio. The shame comes in trying to pretend they are something different than what they are.

The Fight? Very dramatic.... ........ Glad you like Yeager. Lots of people don't, especially in Baghdad.

Rudy certainly isn't a friend of gun owners, but whoever wins the Presidency normally drags a few of their party members in with them. So, given a choice between a gun hating Democrat and a gun-hating Republican, I'd have to vote for the Republican.

I think that would be a good idea, Mike. I used to oppose that concept, but I now think that would do a lot for pride in this country and common sense in evicting the gun grabbers from their political seats.

I use Don Hume leather paddle holsters all the time. The paddle is removable, so in theory you could convert it to an on-belt version.

Phantom6 gave us a completer rundown of this in another topic. Found it: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19927&postcount=41 BTW, in my class, anything in the black silhouette was considered a hit.

Well, it never hurts to check and see that your tools are still there.