Marswolf

As of today, gun dealers are using a new Form 4473. I've started calling it the "Cho Sheet." I think the only difference from the previous forms is question 11 (f) This previously read: The new question is: The "OR" in bold is their emphasis. It's still Yes-no-no-no-....

Mike is still looking. I think he may have a part-time possibility at Gun Rack for a couple of days a week.

KahrMan, what distances have you shot it and what kind of accuracy are you getting?

This is the last day of operation for Top Notch Guns, between Bristol and Kingsport. They've been around for a long time. First MAK-90 I bought was from them. Seems like the other gun shops have ceased to be a good place to just go by and visit. So, they will be missed.

My feeling is that the .308 is an accuracy round and an AR isn't going to be especially accurate with it. I've also never seen the fascination with using an AK round in an AR. Why not just buy an AK, if you are talking 7.62x39? But whatever floats your boat.

We could do something radical, like delete the topic when something sells.... It would save a lot of clutter.

Vlad was such a fun guy!

Lots of people doing consignments with a dealer have found out the hard way they have to pay to get their own guns back. That's not right. Maybe if we had a pro-gun President, something could be done about that. Right now, I wouldn't sell on consignment. I'd just take the gun to the parking lot of a show and sell it there. The question here was about having to provide a transfer agent with an ID if you are the seller. The ATF just doesn't require this. The agent must list the firearm in his bound book. This includes the name and address, or name and license number, of the seller. But unlike the buyer, the seller doesn't have to prove who he is. If the transfer agent requires this, it's a theoretical CYA move. I understand why it is done, but isn't as far as I can find, required by law or ATF regulation. I certainly would have no problem identifying myself properly to a transfer agent. I'm in the phone book. Call me back and you have a proven phone number and address for me. You don't need a copy of my DL. We are about to see another invasion of our privacy. The intention is to use biometrics to examine photos posted on the internet and link them to the names of the people in the photographs. See http://www.karmicjustice.org/2006/12/20/when-biometrics-goes-wrong/ for a quick overview. I'm really good at keeping secrets, but I'm not a super-secret person in terms of my personal identity. It's easy to figure out who Marswolf is - just ask me in a PM. But I very seldom post my picture in an open area on the internet and I never post someone else's picture without their permission. The government has my picture, finger and palm prints, retinal and iris prints. I'm not worried about them. But I'd just as soon not have every nut case on internet pulling up my identity from a photograph. And once I give a photo ID copy to someone, I don't know what they will do with it. So if you want a copy of my photo ID to do a transfer of a gun I want to sell, no thanks. I'll find someone else for the transfer or just keep the gun.

Well, you did OK - you old dog.

I'm not talking. Boy, that story disappeared in a hurry. The Black Hawk was headed from Eustis to Campbell. The rotor blades slightly chewed up the home owner's garage wall. Blades are a mess.... http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/08/army_specopshelo_070829w/ is the story from Army Times

Rabbi, do you photocopy their ID when someone buys a gun from you? I can see more of a reason to get a good ID from a seller for a gun that is going into your stock. It may hang around for a while and maybe get reported as stolen while in your inventory. But I can't see a reason to do that as a transfer agent. You never have ownership of the gun and no money tied up in it. If it's later reported stolen, that's between the buyer and the seller.

Mark, I imagine we can find some common range time. I might even shoot with your brother. I'm kind of Jekyll and Hyde. Either really nice, or really-really not. I don't think I have ever been described as a conformist. I have a lot of sympathy for people who have a hard time in life and who try. I'll gladly volunteer to try to help them. But there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that justifies preying on another human. People like that should be ejected from a plane over the ocean to feed the sharks. Decent people shouldn't be forced to be around them.

Glad to hear you finally got a decent carry gun. I've never shot one of these with .357 loads. While I prefer pistols for carry, this would be in the running for a revolver carry piece. I like the look and feel of them.

Yep, my choice. There are lots of other folks out there who won't make me jump through extra hoops to buy from them.

I understand that. But a typical company professional help wanted description starts with "4-year degree." In a lot of cases, it doesn't matter what the degree is in. They want people who might move into a supervisory position and they won't let non-degreed people supervise those with a degree.

Really sorry to hear of the loss of your father. Been there, done that. It's the little things that get you, like when you think about asking him something and then remember that you can't any more. My father died 28 years ago. I still miss him. Hang in there.

I guess I'm just hard-nosed. I won't even buy a gun from a dealer who wants to photocopy my ID. Rabbi, it's your right to make your patrons shout. "I am a donkey" three times before you sell them something. But I wouldn't do it. The government is already needlessly intrusive into my life in order to buy a firearm. I draw the line at a businessman adding even more personal regulations. Sorry.

Which part of CFR 478.125(e) requires the collection of the seller's ID? I couldn't find it. Checking my green book, I did find ATF Rul. 79-7 that establishes identification requirements for the buyer, but nothing about the seller.

I'm not too concerned about the good of society. I'm interested in the good of the individuals that make up society. There is a difference. The principle of "the greatest good for the greatest number" can produce a lot of really bad consequences. Hitler undoubtedly argued that extermination of the Jews was for the good of German society. My interest is in thugs not committing criminal acts. I don't care why they do it. There is no legitimate excuse for such behavior. It isn't "society's fault." Those who use external factors, such as economics to justify criminal behavior do harm to the overall society they supposedly revere. Actually, simple solutions do often work. But the penalty has to be sufficiently severe and sure to prevent the criminal behavior. Basic negative conditioning. Like a rat getting shocked in a Skinner Box. Our problem is that we are unwilling to make the punishment appropriate for the crime. Would we want to live in such a society? Do we like the society we have now?

Piece of free advice Tower (you know how much free advice is worth), don't wait too long to go back for that degree. Months become years that become never.

I wonder if Northeast State Technical Community College could use someone to teach how to make drug lords invest their money where we want them to invest it?

Sounds pretty dufus to me. I think I'd tell the buyer to find a professional shop to do the transfer. All they need is the serial number and ID of the buyer. The seller's identity is irrelevant.

If you can search the zip field, for this area you could search on 376 and that would get all of the Tri-Cities Basically it would get the regional postal center. There are a lot of zip-codes, but they all begin with 376 for our area.

Can't have everything I guess.

If we list a city, are we also going to list its county? That way we could just search on a county if we were going into that area. Of course some cities, like Kingsport, are in two counties. My idea on the zip-code was that we could sort by zip and that would give us all the posting locations reported in that geographic area. Am I asking too many questions?