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  No problem.   As for the bolded sentence above. Vintage S&W revolvers have THE best single action trigger, period. Always have been, always will be. The days of finding S&W's for $150 are long gone, but you will still get a great shooter for $350-450. Collector quality are way more than that these days.

OK, so what you have is a Model 30-1   J-frame   Built sometime in late 1961 to early 1962   .32 caliber   Technically speaking, the spot where the model number is called the Yoke (upright portion of the frame) and the part that swings out with the cylinder is the Crane   Also, the serial number of a S&W revolver will always be on the butt of the gun. You may also find it on the rear of the cylinder, and sometimes on the Yoke along with the model number, depending on when the gun was made.   Numbers seen in the Crane area are generally in house assembly numbers and don't mean much to anyone other than the factory gunsmith/assembler

Your timelines do not coincide with S&W records.   The gun was definitely produced post 1957 just due to the ramped front sight and the model designation. Your stated model designation does not coincide with serial number records.   The serial number you gave puts it as post 1961, which does not coincide with your stated model 30. Where did you take the serial number from?   Are you sure it says model 30, or is there a dash (-) after the 30 with another number?   Post a photo of the serial number (white out last 2 digits if you must, but there is really no need) , post a photo of the model number inside the crane, and post a photo of the cylonder thumb latch.

  Very simple. I have owned numerous 1911's and have always thought my Kimber Ultra CDP (original series) was the cat's meow. Never failed me and carries well.   Then I bought a Dan Wesson CCO (still under $1500) and it is a fine pistol. In comparison to my beloved Kimber, I was kind of upset. The DW makes the Kimber look like a school kid put it together. Serious.   Then I said to myself...Self, just how much better can a 1911 get without going full on custom?  Now I'm not one to part with money easily, but I will spend it if I can get a good deal. So along came a Wilson CQB. To say that the Wilson makes the Kimber look like a toy is an understatement. Totally different ballpark, nevermind same field. Is the Kimber a fine weapon? Absolutely, but it is now relegated to the safe. Is the DW a fine gun? Without question, and I will be buying other DW's in the future. Is the Wilson worth it? It's definitely worth what I paid (as new gun, bought for way less than new price) and it won't be leaving anytime soon.   But as I said earlier in this thread, the DW puts ALL other guns anywhere near its price range to shame. It's just that simple.   And to answer the original quote of why would someone buy a $1500+ 1911? Because they have the means, like the finer things in life, and are old enough & wise enough know that you get what you pay for.

Dan Wesson, period.   Made in USA   No MIM parts   All parts made in house (except for MSH) Fit & Finish is nothing short of spectacular for its cost   Outstanding CS   I have/had high end Kimber, Colt, etc. DW makes them all look like a child built them.

  2 plastic guns for the cost of a 1911? I could buy every bit of 6 plastic Gaston guns for the cost of one of my 1911's. :stir:

  First off, to the OP............... Go elsewhere as your LGS is talking out his azz.  All he is looking to do is sell you a gun with HIS highest profit margin. The Colt WC, while a nice pistol, is not even in the same league as the Dan Wesson. DW is the best production gun on the 1911 market, period. Customer service is leap years ahead of any other brand too.     As for what goes into a DW pistol these days, it's simple. Dan Wesson manufactures all of their own parts except for the mainspring housing which is an Ed Brown. And the kicker is that there are no MIM parts in the DW. The value to cost ratio is off the charts.

Glocks hold their value, and they always have. The prices (unless the seller is trying to get over) of used Glocks have always been very close to what a new gun costs. The buyer is saving the tax amount he would pay at a LGS, which is around $50-60 depending. What most people don't realize is that there is just not a lot of room in a Glock, moneywise. I have a receipt from WAY back when the G27 first came out. Price was $440 and that was an LEO price. Todays LEO price for most Glocks is $399-425 depending if it is purchased at a distributor or a dealer. So yes, the price has actually come down form 20 yrs ago and retail Glock pricing itself is pretty much what it was since the importing began. And BTW, Glock folks will very readily rip into a seller that is trying to rip someone off, as witnessed countless times on the Glock forum.

  Have to come back in to reply to the obviously uninformed Monkeylizard.........   A Federal judge ruled well over a year ago that you CAN bring a gun into a post office parking lot and leave it there when you go inside, so know your facts before spouting off, ummmmmkay?   I personally do not attend concerts or conventions, have no need to attend a college game, no need whatsover to visit a theme park, and when I do visit a national park, I do not enter the visitors center. I have no small kids, so nope, no teacher meetings.   And I have been married for well over 25 years, and while you may not wear the pants in your house, I can assure you that I do.   Got anything else big guy?

  Well at least someone gets it.   Biggest 2 points being..................   To carry permitless in your car just to go from home to wherever and then leave the weapon in the car is doing exactly what for the carrier? A feeling of security? Odds are about a zillion to one you will ever need that weapon while traveling from point A to point B. Odds are a hell of a lot better for said vehicle to be stole with your weapon inside of it. And the other point being, if you have a HCP and you have it with you when you leave the house, said weapon stays on your person until you step foot back into your house. What good is the weapon if you leave it in the car while in a store and you walk into a robbery?   As for brand new member and obviously young man Twitch, you said you went into a wing place that didn't allow weapons because you wanted those wings. Guess what young man? If that store doesn't want my weapon inside, that store doesn't want me inside either, period. Why would you contribute to any business who clearly cares nothing about you and your rights?     Pretty simply folks, you can poo-poo my thoughts and or comments all you want, but you have to ask yourself: A) Do I really care what you think? B) Do you really think that you will change someones thinking who has carried on & off duty for over 25 yrs and has lived the life? I do not EVER leave my house without a weapon on me, and I will not leave my weapon in a car just because I want a certain item that a store has. The only time a weapon gets left in a vehicle is when entering the post office. Most courthouses have lockers for a person to secure your weapon.   Y'all can continue with the rants,but do so without me. I am done with this conversation.

  Sad? No, sensible.   What is the point of carrying a weapon in the car with you when you are just going to leave it there when you get out of the car? You know the odds of being carjacked? Traffic accident in which someone pulls a gun? Again HUGE odds against that. Or are you going to play superman and stop a mugging that you see? Oh wait, you can't leave the car with the gun. Or hows about when you are standing in line at the 7-11 and the guy that just walked in puts a gun to your head. Is that gun you left in the car going to help you then? Nope, didn't think so.   Either get the HCP and carry all the time or don't get it and be don't carry.   Bringing the 2A rights into the argument for or against is pointless. If the lawmakers that are in place wanted to act according to the Constitution, we would already have no permit needed carry. Since that ain't gonna happen, go and get a HCP and stop leaving the damn weapon in the car where it is absolutely useless to you unless the big bad man comes to your window demanding the car which has less odds than hitting the lottery or being struck by lightning.

That's you reasoning? And that right there is the perfect reason the anti's have such an easy time against us.

While I am behind 2A way more than the average person, I can not help but to cringe at the mention of this law being a "good" thing.   The fact that there are people who currently have a CHL and the people that will carry in a vehicle if the law passes, that leave a weapon in their car is just plain stupid, period.   Never, ever do you want to be the one who's weapon and/or car is stolen and said weapon is used in a crime or heaven forbid, the murder of a child. Try explaining that one away. And even though you most likely won't be charged, you will definitely be sued. And worst of all, how could you live with yourself?

As a Glock lover I have one thing to say..........WTF dude?

  Not only overated, but over priced and anti-gun to boot.

Y'all are lightweights.   Couple years ago when I rebuilt my barn, there were tons of them in the 60 year old oak beams and supports. Got me some Bayer Ant & Carpenter bee concentrate, sprayed it in every hole I could find (knocking on the ẃood helps to piss them off) and killed literally several hundred of those bastards.   This year, I have seen maybe 40-50 of them around the place and unless they are near the barn, I leave them alone to pollinate the flowers.   BTW, a badmitton racket works great too.

Yes, but is OC for any citizen, or just citizens that reside in that state? Many states have vague laws that are potentially open to interpretation.

Pro: Very good fit and finish. Very comfortable. Outstanding customer service   Con: The big comfortable backing pad is also very hot. On the Pro model there is a twist lock retention built in (ala Level III retention). What that means is to draw the weapon, the user must grip the weapon, twist the butt inwards towards the body to unlock it, then draw and present. Now for those in law enforcement that are used to a level III holster it presents a problem. On the Pro holster, to obtain said grip, you must forcefully jam your thumb between the pistol grip and the big comfortable backing pad, while on a "normal" level III holster you just slam your hand down and establish grip, twist to unlock and present in basically one fluid motion. No matter how hard I tried, I could not get past the fact that not only is it very hard to get an initial grip, but the draw was way slower because of it.   Now mind you, that is coming from a LEO mindset, and if I cant get that weapon out in a heartbeat, it just wont work for ME. Will it work for you? I cant make that decision.

  Not only that, but just to see if the $20 offer would be accepted I tried it, no go.   Neither was $21, so for the extra $5, I would get a guaranteed real one from one of many vendors.

Emailed and received prompt reply.   Are they genuine?   Hello, yes they are genuine. Bulk ordered for military usage. Guaranteed mil spec.

AIM Surplus also does.

He was talking about full release, not reset.   Rob isn't the typical shooter as he grips the gun with a death grip, but he surely has had enough success that it was worth trying. I like it his way because anyone can do it and it doesn't take thousands of round to get muscle memory as it would using a short reset.   To each his own...........

  While many people do indeed shoot Glocks that way  (short stroke), it actually slows down a shooter.   Guns are designed so that you depress trigger, release, repeat. If you have to actually hold the trigger back, then feel/think about the trigger resetting, it is taking precious time away from a follow up shot(s). I used to shoot Glocks the same way until I heard Rob Leatham say "grip the gun tightly and depress, release, depress as fast as you can". Yes you will have to deal with the Glocks spongy trigger, but the faster you pull, the less you think about it. Try it both ways and you will absolutely notice a difference. If I can save even 2/10ths of a second on a follow up, it just may save my life.

  Never heard of them before this thread, but based on this....................   Shipping cost start at for firearms & goes up from there depending on location: Hand Gun:     Call for pricing Long Gun:     $1.00 - $500 = $30      $500- $1,000 = $40     $1,000 & up call for shipping cost   Shipping prices are absolutely ridiculous. Oh, so you want to order a rifle that costs $1500, no problem. Go directly to rip-off shipping charges, do not pass go.

  Not for nothing, but that just plain sux.   I'm all the way over on the other side of the state, so not only will I still have to pay a transfer fee to my LGS, but  now I will have to pay sales tax. That puts them right in line with any LGS when all is said and done. Guess I will have to grab anything I want before the end of the year and then take my business elsewhere. :down: