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  1. On 2/22/2021 at 7:29 PM, JimHouchin said:

    For sure!

    First off, I switch hands and hold the gun in my left hand to reload so have that in your mind. After ejection, I would turn the gun up and tuck the it at my waist with the butt of the revolver at my navel, bend a little at the waist and looking down at the gun. VERY Jerry Miculek style. Now after ejecting the spent brass I hold the gun with the butt at sternum level this time out in front of my chest about 3 to 5 inches. So the gun is higher in my line of sight and I'm not looking down at it when I load it, I'm looking across the horizon. 

    Thanks for the explanation.

  2. Link to YouTube Video

    Here's CJ, one of the students, running the 4+1 Transition Drill with a Tac14 in 20ga.  I like this drill because it has many layers to it.  The shooter starts at gunbox/cruiser ready and has to get the gun into action.  Then they hit both outside targets (long transitions), both inside targets (more transitions), and ends with an emergency load to the center target.  With only five rounds, we are practicing numerous skills.

    One issue with 20ga shotguns for defensive use is that there is not, in my opinion, a quality defensive buckshot load available for them.  One must account for every pellet sent downrange, and quite frankly, I have yet to find a 20ga load with a good enough pattern beyond 7-10 yards to use with confidence.

    Here are pics of a Rio (I know) load I asked CJ to test in his gun.  I didn't get pics of the Winchester Super X load he also tested, but it was worse.  One round was fired at seven and 15 yards with three rounds fired at 25 yards.
     
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    Note how many pellets are outside of the body of this large silhouette.

    For comparison, here is the same test shot with Federal 8-pellet reduced recoil FliteControl:

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    I also ran the same test with some Federal "black pack" 9-pellet 00 buck.  It held it's own out to 15 yards, but at 25 I had a pellet off of the body and several outside of the effective zones.

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  3. 22 hours ago, A.J. Holst said:

     

    Hi there JLW!

    We need to figure out how we can offer another entertaining (and educational) bit of Weems and Harris.

    Roger that.  That was a fun class.

    I'll actually be in Murfreesboro teaching this weekend

  4. In the quote above, Cirillo isn't talking about unsighted fire.  He's talking about covering a suspect and being able to view everything that the suspect is doing prior to having to shoot.  In that sense, he is correct because the problem in the background is innocent people.  In his descriptions of his actual shootings, he was clearly using sighted fire albeit he may not have had a true, hard, front sight focus in every instance.  I'll try to look back through his written works for the exact wording, but he did describe a method of looking through the gun in some instances and being so aware of the silhouette of the gun that one could tell if it was misaligned.

    I have pressure tested, as much possible, the looking through the gun method in graded force on force sessions and found that it works extremely well within certain distances and with full torso targets.  I've also found in those same scenarios that I can make a shot on a moving person at 17 yards with a hard front sight focus because...

    I looked for my sights.

    I know of one school out there that is a haven for poor shooters because their sensei tells them they won't be able to see their sights and that so long as they hit somewhere on the silhouette target all will be good...  They might get by with that right up until they have to hit dude in the right eyeball because all that is sticking out from cover is the gun, hand, arm, and the right half of dude's face.

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  5. 2 hours ago, mikegideon said:

    Here's mine. Cheap red dot. Also the 25 yard sight in target. At least for me, the red dot tops anything.

     

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    How many rounds do you have through that setup?  From my research, the recoil impulse of shotguns tends to kill off cheaper RDS.  Even RMRs are not known to have great lifespans when topping shotguns.  That's why I went with the Aimpoint.

    Counterpoint:  A very experienced shotgun aficionado friend has had very good results with a Holosun.   

  6. Another thing to consider with slugs is one's sighting system.  As I primarily run FliteControl in my guns, I had gravitated to big, easy to pick up front sights.  When I was at Gunsite, shots on steel at 70 yards with a front sight that was wider than the steel were challenging.

    Ghost rings with a blade front work well for such shots, but they are slower up close.

    I have mounted an Aimpoint H1 on a shotty, but at present, I don't have enough data to comment, but it appears this is a happy median.

  7. Instances of people actually performing a select slug exchange in the midst of a gunfight are rarer than actual Bigfoot captures.  I've heard of several instances of people shooting all of their buckshot and then loading a slug, but I've only heard of one possible actual exchange.

    I'm a big fan of the FliteControl.  I've got one shotgun that will keep all of the pellets in the coke bottle of an IALEFI target at 35 yards if I do my part.  Most of my guns will do that at 25+.  

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  8. At work, my technique for ammo selection is that I have one shotgun loaded with buckshot and one loaded with slugs.  They are turned opposite ways in the rack; so, that I can tell which is which.

    If I jump suspects on the ground, I pull the buckshot.  If I jump suspects in a car, I pull the slugs.

    Otherwise, I just run buckshot in/on the gun, and if I feel I just have to have them, I'll have slugs on the belt.  I tend to use a shotgun for known confined spaces and a carbine for everything else.

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  9. Here is a good discussion on this topic:
     


    My experience does not mirror that of the OP.  I have seen rounds come out of the side saddle when run brass down. 

    I have seen one round come out when oriented brass up.  I was at Gunsite for their 260 Shotgun course and bought some Winchester AA hull shot for the test, and the hulls were so slick that I had one fly out and go right past my head.  My elastic side saddle was very, very worn, and I replaced it after that class.

    I much, much prefer the elastic cards and velcro to a side saddle attachment that replaces the action pins.  I have seen numerous problems with those in relation to being too tight, too loose, or the screws breaking under stress.

    I'm in the above posted video at the 5:41 mark as an example of the first two up and the remainder down.  Daryl Bolke, who is mentioned in the all up section, trained extensively with Scotty Reitz.  Mr. Reitz was one of the instructors for the LAPD Metro Division (SWAT and SIS).  They adopted brass up due to losing shells.

    I don't thing either is wrong.  When gaming it, I'll go two up, remainder down.  On my work guns, I run all up.

  10. 1 hour ago, TomInMN said:

    Looks like shooting from prone is much more effective than I thought. I think the officer hit both bag guys with one shot from prone!

    I do really enjoy the old school training videos. The style of presentation as well as the differing approach to life and tactics are all interesting to me. Plus, it's fun to think about how our current "state of the art" will be viewed in 50-100 years.

    Remember, Quantico was built on a USMC base, and the initial FBI firearms training was actually provided by Marine instructors.  Prone has not been part of the last two iterations of the FBI pistol qual.  While it has its place in a military context due to explosive ordnance, it has much less relevance in the domestic US.

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