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  1. Thanks for the great advice! Now THAT's Dolomite!   - K  
  2. Thanks for all the great advice guys, appreciate it! Was talking w/ the missus last night (I'm ready to buy... mine at least, LOL!) She was sick the day we went to the range, and felt that may have affected her preference. Wants to go again, try the 9 and .380 again (G42 and G43 avail at rental range, however the M&P they have is a 40, not a 9, so.... Still, I like the way the M&P feels dry-firing). She was having mis-feed problems w/ the Glock(s), both sizes, store-staff diagnosed it to her wrists not holding steady enough, the recoil was being absorbed by her hands, slide wouldn't cycle properly. I'm fairly certain she won't decide on a 9mm... that being said, I would LIKE to keep things common, and admit, the .380 Glock was a something I could fire all day long, but am leaning towards a 9 for me for a host of reasons. I would however like to have very similar guns.. so the mechanics are the same for both of us (Safety's, clip-release, etc.). Frankly, I wish I liked the Glock's more, as that would be a no-brainer, I'm just not a fan of the one's I've tried. I liked the Springfield XD better.   Thanks for the greetings Moped! Not Rude at all... but if you want to make it up to me, I should have membership papers @ Oak Ridge Sportsman's club soon (they cashed my check....), you can meet me there and let my wife and I try out your wares! LOL! ;)   Thanks Jonin, understand what you mean about physics, that's my problem w/ the smaller guns, as I have these big ham-hands that just swallow them up, I need more 'grip' to grip, else I don't feel comfortable. I think that'll be a problem w/ any of the pocket-carry's, they all feel the same to me?   I'm trying to stick w/ a US manuf. too, so I may just get one of the small Ruger's or that Bodyguard 380.... She liked the blue-cammo ruger better than the pink one anyways, worst-case. if it doesn't work for her, I keep that for a pocket-carry, and get a 9 for regular use. The way she's been talking, I don't think I'd get yelled at if I came home w/a box from Frontier Firearms.   Ain't she a gem?!   :D   - K  
  3.   Thanks Jonin, yes, I'm very hesitant to 'pull the trigger' and buy anything. So far I am noticing various qualities to different guns that I like, and the local store's staff here is pretty good (I liked the trigger on the Ruger, but the LCP felt too small... Here, try this Springfield!) Frankly, I haven't found one I really like just yet.   There's quite a few competing demands I'm trying to balance out... and maybe I'm placing importance on factors that I shouldn't be?   My wife and I are both going to acquire personal carry pieces, and I'm trying to keep them from the same manuf.... thinking ease of parts/tools, cleaning, accessories, etc., will be improved (*but by all means, correct me if that assumption is false*) It's not a given, I may go w/ a Springfield 9 while she gets a Ruger .380... but I like the M&P line also, and the Bodyguard model would fit her needs... and I do like the single-stack M&P Compact? :lol: I liked the Springfields I've tried, but she said she doesn't like the 9's, too much for her.   I want(ed) to stay in the same caliber as my wife, so that we can buy bulk, reload, etc., cheaper and more easily. Again, please correct me if that assumption is off target. That being said, I agree w/ the above statement about a common police/military caliber (Jonin, you were in on that rifle discussion...), and may decide to carry a 9 for myself. I doubt I'll explore the larger sizes, 9's got more than enough BANG for me.   IMO - and I raise my hand and admit I'm a newbie here - I think quality ammo in .380 is capable of ruining some perp's day, and I can play w/ it all day long at the range. I can find a variety of small guns that conceal easily and are quality instruments that will go bang when someone pulls the trigger. I've been able to narrow things down fairly well, and am trying to find sample guns to try (even dry-firing @ the showroom tells you a lot - especially the trigger!). I was kinda disappointed a week ago, talking w/ another fellow who was @ the range trying out his brandy-new LCP, mentioned my wife was thinking of buying one but wanted to try it first (pointed, mentioned that she was in the next stall over w/ the Glock42). He said he wasn't very pleased w/ it, but it was his first time out, packed up his stuff, and walked away... D'oh! Was hoping he'd offer my wife a few rounds, dang! Is it rude to come right out and ask "Hey, can I take a few shots w/ your gun?", I don't know proper range etiquette? Is that like asking to dance w/ someone's wife? :lol:   Waiting for membership papers from the local outdoor's man's club. Hoping if I spend some time prowling the pistol range, I'll get to try a few other makes and models, and can make a more informed decision. Wifey's itching to get something, anything... but she understands a 400-dollar mistake isn't in our best interest right now. So far the Ruger is the only one she's really liked, but we haven't fired it (not avail. for rent, only 6 rnds of try-before-buy), but I think the .380 Bodyguard from S&W would appeal to her too (also avail try-before-buy), and then I would be looking at the M&P line for my own, likely the compact-9. However I'm not going to force myself into a particular pistol if I don't like it... I'm a lot more flexible than she is, so trying to accommodate her needs first.   'Course the way things have been going, SHE'LL be the one itching for a 'collection'. Gawd, I'm so glad I married her sometimes!   - K  
  4.   LOL! Thank you Sir. Once we decided to pack up and move south, I was able to narrow things down quickly, and there were 2 candidates that stood out, both happened to start with a "T"... But one had too many illegals for my taste! :lol:   - K  
  5.   Thanks guys, I actually didn't know the finer points to handgun laws here in TN until I took the class! LOL! That being said, having come from the nanny-state NY, where I was also planning on getting my permit for the same reasons, it's as much about exercising my rights (while I still can!) as anything else. I do not like the way the world's turning these days (one of the things that prompted the move to TN), and can think of more than a few times when I wish I had been carrying, and since the wife is behind the decision for the same reasons... We'll do it all by the book, and that way they can't take 'em away from me! I'd like to get some more training on things, especially for the missus, but it's good all around regardless. There's quite a bit about threat mitigation and situational awareness that I've learned just by reading, but my wife's not wired that way. I think a few tactics and training classes will go a long way.   The Oak Ridge Sportsman's club cashed my check this week, so hopefully I'll have membership information on that soon, and can take the shotgun out again! They've got pistol-ranges as well, so I figured it would be a good investment!   LOL!, Was just re-reading the quote above, most of you probably don't realize, but you can't even buy handgun ammunition in NY, unless you have that caliber pistol listed on your permit... So if a friend wanted you to pick up a box of something-something for his gun you were going to try out when you met him at the range, the store couldn't sell it to you! He would have to be present w/ his permit showing that gun on his permit.   That's no Bull... It's F'ing crazy up there.   - K  
  6.   That's what she said!!! LOL!   Actually, looking at the expansion and depth on the charts, I'm not at all put off by the .380's as some folks seem to suggest. There were a couple brands of ammo that fared well enough for the FBI's book (12-18" or more), and having shot the 9's and .380's side-by-side (fine folks @ Frontier Firearms let my wife and I test the G42 and G43 on the range at the same time)... I could play w/ .380's all day long and not get sore.   While there may be a few mm's difference in overall area of the wound channel... as you say, you get popped w/ one or two of those, you're going to have a bad day! :lol: It may not push you back, or cause someone to instantly drop to the ground, but I believe it will achieve the goal of causing sufficient damage to the hydraulics to make further motion challenging at best!   It's been well established that shot placement is by far more critical than size of the puck (a .22 in the coconut will drop a horse!) So if I (or my wife) can spend more time practicing w/ the .380 and achieve better shot placement than w/ the larger 9 (let's not even get into +P, et. al.), I'd rather put a smaller, less expansive and penetrating round right in the sweet-spot, than blast away w/ a monster hoping I make contact with my target. If nothing else, my odd's of a follow-up shot are dramatically improved. I was able to empty that G42 pretty quickly... The 9 took a moment to re-acquire the target.   I'll leave the hand cannon's to those that feel the need to prove something to the other guy's at the range, I just want to survive the encounter!   That's something I really think gets lost in all these discussions. While penetration statistics are great, ask yourself what's the reason you're carrying? To look Badass (do you hold it sideways one-handed, too?) Sound cool w/ a thunderous clap every time your booger-hook pulls the bang-switch? Sure, they're great fun at the range, but... ballistics gel doesn't matter if your round lands in the dirt-pile or backstop.   Personally I'm worried about the criminals and wingnuts prowling everywhere these days. Merely displaying personal protection will run them off 99 times out of 100, unless they're on something, at which point, I believe based on what I've seen here, a single .380 in the bread-basket will give me enough of an advantage in the encounter to tip the odd's in my favor. Ditto for my wife!!! I don't understand why so many people downplay the effectiveness of this personal-protection round. You get that hole in your body... That's a bad day! :LOL:   - K
  7. I got my card in the mail today! Gawd, I think it was 10-12 days after I filled out the forms? Would have taken 9-12 months in NY, and I might not have even gotten it! Crazy... Wifey's all over this, she wants a compact .380, I think I'd prefer a 9 for-carry, and she wants to get a little .22 so the kids can come to the range w/ us, WTF! :love:   I was looking at the Walther's, as they have a range of .380's and 9mm to pick from, are reputable, quality manuf., etc., however I don't know of any ranges/store's around here that have 'em to rent? The one by me offers a try-before-you-buy, but it's only a few rounds, and frankly, I'd want to just go down-the-line and try half their inventory, LOL! I Don't even know if they have any Walthers? I'm starting to see why owning a 'collection' of handgun's is essential! Try someone's piece out on the range one day and you've just got to go get one!    I 'spose that's how swinger's get started?   I like the Bodyguard .380 S&W makes, that's a slick looking gun, and I can try out the M&P regular-size at my local store's range.. their compact-for-carry looks nice. But man, the Ruger's are pretty slick, too, damn. :wall:   I'm not going to be able to pick just one, I know it... Now I'm going to need a gun safe, too!   - K  
  8. My pleasure folks. This board has been a great source of info, I'm glad to be able to return the favor! Maybe throw the link up in that sticky-post on top about caliber efficiency?   I thought the fabric-supplement was a good idea, and pretty 'thick' (but would rather err on the long-side...). The Federal Hydra-shok's seemed to do pretty good in all sizes? Wifey doesn't like the 9's we've tried, too much BANG, and I'm hesitant to get a .380 myself... but that crown looks pretty nasty, I imagine it'll do the job!   - K  
  9. Folks over at Lucky gunner must have found a Ballistics Gel Blue-Light Special!   http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/   Just about every size and brand of handgun ammo out there.   - Kevin
  10.   LOL! I DID try that, guy said he wasn't giving his secret to no YANKEE!!! :lol: (the rib's were delicious, tho!)   I'll see if I can find Academy Musicman. Thanks JD, I've seen a few of the egg's up north, but my buddy's smoker is about 50 cu. feet, I'm not buying bags for that beast! LOL!   - K  
  11. Thanks 10 Ring! I've seen the bagged chips of it, was hoping to grab just some regular wood. My buddy's got a pretty big smoker he takes to competitions and does some catering with. He picks out his own wood for cooking, but you just can't get the good stuff like you have down here w/o knowing someone... Found a place in Knox advertising Hickory, Pecan, and Cherry!   - K
  12.   Hey Comms! WAAAAAAAYYYY past the Tappan Zee...:lol: Originaly from the Buffalo Area, did 4-years in SUNY Oswego, and spent the next 15 outside Rochester. Finally got tired of it. Wingnuts in Albany convinced me it was time to head for the good life. We moved to Kingston this summer.   - K
  13. Thanks guys, I'll check the paper to see if I can find any. Thank you Mr. Duke! We've got to head back up there for a weekend soon to winterize the house (Damned thing still hasn't sold!)   - K
  14. What is that delicious smelling wood used on all the smokers and BBQ places you see around here? I'm a transplant from NY, and I've almost caused a few accidents driving by. The smoke is just devine! Would love to bring a few chunks of it back to a friend of mine who smoked quite a bit on the side. What is it and where can I get a bunch of it? Thanks.   - Kevin  
  15. Interesting, I did not know that, thanks for clarifying, guys. It's odd that Cheaper-than-dirt lumps them into the same category?   So, while I may be able to insert the cartridge into the chamber and pull the trigger, it may malfunction and possibly damage the rifle and rifle operator. (Or is there a chance it will go bang and just give sub-standard performance since we're talking bolt-action cycle)?   Since a 308 rifle is designed for greater pressure, I'm guessing it will be able to handle the NATO round w/o damaging the gun, just the bullet may not perform as desired?   - K  
  16.   Thanks Omega, that issue was one reason I initially chose the 308, same as 7.62 NATO. Thanks robtattoo, I did like the way the Remington felt, but want to look into the Savage more? The comments about it's versatility, and being able to swap parts at home really has some appeal to me.   - K
  17. LOL! Allright, lets get "Dad's Saturday Morning Boom Stick" first, and then you guys can talk me into an AR for messing around with!
  18.   Appreciate the info Dave, but unless things go seriously wrong, 99% of the lead through that barrel will be spent at the range beyond 200 yards by me on a Saturday morning w/ a cup of coffee. The added concerns are because I don't want to have a large gun collection, I want to add one rifle that will handle many situations, that included. I've played around w/ the AR-style, and that's just not what I'm looking for. The focus, breathing, concentration, and reward, of individual long-range rifle shooting has always been attractive to me from a sport/relaxation standpoint. It just screams a Bolt-action setup to me. The Semi-Auto's are nice, but that's not it for me. My concern is akin to the comment Dolomite made about the savage. I'd hate to get to the range and find out "Brand X lets you..." It's one reason I got the Mossberg Shotgun: $150 and the twist of a bolt gets me a rifled barrel shotgun in addition to my smooth bore.   Ditto gregintenn, you've noticed I keep coming back to one of those numbers you somehow manage to ALWAYS see on the shelf. Used to be like that for .22's... never thought I'd see it happen, but here we are!   Thanks again for all the great info and discussion guys! Helping me learn a lot.   - K  
  19.   Thanks Dave, will take a look at those video's w/ my next cup of coffee! :popcorn:   So the 700 doesn't even have a 'clip' in the way I'm thinking of it (I'd call that an internal magazine?) You have to load the bullets through the breach/action? What do you do after a few rounds, doesn't the metal get hot? I have to say, and I'll freely admit I'm 100% ignorant... but that seems like a PIA way to load a rifle?   The Ruger had a little plastic box that popped off the bottom (quickly replace w/ a spare and get back to shooting!). That seemed like a much better way to do it to me? I get that a bolt-action isn't a rapid-fire rifle, but all the same, it just seems cumbersome (especially given that there's a port/slot already on the bottom of the gun? Why wouldn't you load it that way?)   Know what you mean about the scope... Trying to avoid dragging that into the discussion right now, I'm confused enough!  :rofl: Frankly I figure I'll select a rifle w/ a fair scope pre-mounted to save me some headaches... and as my skill improves, perhaps I can justify upgrading the glass (or maybe the whole rifle?)   I don't know what the Remington had (but it worked well in the store...), the Ruger was the Redfield model w/ factory scope (bore sighted):   http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleRedfield/models.html   Thanks again for the video's and info!   - K  
  20. Thanks Dave, that kinda helps.   So if I get a "long action", it's chamber, bolt, etc., are all configured for longer cartridges...   While I realize it may not cycle perfectly, or require manually inserting the cartridge into the breach (vs. using the clip), assuming the rim diameter is the same, I can shoot long OR short style cartridges for that calibre from a long-action rifle?   I _do_ think I've settled on the larger cartridge (e.g. .308 vs. .243, etc.), as I believe the .22's will handle the smaller-targets fine, this rifle is really centered around being able to reach out and touch something w/ a big stick. I also _think_ I'm shying away from the 300 WinMag, as it's expensive and a lot of boom... and I'm not using it to put food on the table (yet).   I'm looking at the chart you helpfully posted on this Remington link:   https://support.remington.com/General_Information/Which_calibers_are_long_action_and_which_are_short_action%3F   And it got me to thinking... most of the rounds I've been kicking around, have been short action. I see the 30-06 is the only "long" action round I'm considering (while I recognize the qualities of some of the other's one mentioned, I'm really trying to focus on cheap, readily available ammunition and parts here in the US, and don't want to get into anything the least bit exotic...) However there have been so many posts mentioning all the different numbers and sizes out there I'm quite confused!   If I got a 30-06 rifle (long action) could it shoot .308 rounds (short action)? What about 300 Blackouts?   What's the advantage to long vs. short? Aside from rifle weight (is there something inherently "better" about the Long Action rounds, e.g. they (are capable of) holding more powder/bigger charge? Larger/longer/heavier bullets in the Long Action vs. Short Action, that sorta thing)   Would a Magnum Short-action be equiv. to a standard long-action? I guess I'm trying to decide if there is an advantage for me to select one over the other, or does one give me more flexibility (aka - Long's will load a short round, but not the other way)     GAWD, it gets dizzying very quickly!   If they're "All 30-Calibre", that references the width/diameter of the bullet, correct? The Brass cartridge behind it could be larger diameter (producing the "Necked Down" Style I keep hearing kicked around?) Obviously you wouldn't/couldn't load a necked-down cartridge if the chamber is too small (won't fit!), nor would you slap a tiny cartridge in a bigger chamber (the thing rattling around loose inside when it goes BOOM wouldn't turn out well, even I understand that, LOL!)   The Length of the bullet is independent of the diameter (but matters whether it will go down the barrel or not, the action will cycle properly, etc.) However is it physically possible (w/o blowing yourself or the gun up!) to put a short-round into a long-action rifle? If I could shoot both long and short rounds out of a long-action rifle, that would give one more flexibility in ammunition that can be used....   In case it's not apparent yet, one of my goals w/ this rifle is to be able to use it should things in this country turn south (no, not making a yankee-joke!) I'm worried that some day the HNIC@1600 may make it so all this stuff is not readily and easily available (though one reason I relocated to TN was I figured this would be one of the last states to comply with any of those demands...). Should that day come, what platform can I acquire that will give me the best results and most flexibility to handle as many possible situations? I don't want a large gun collection, just a few pieces, so need to be selective. I have the Shotgun already, am acquiring pistols for the wife and I now, and will get a couple .22's for my Boys. The only piece missing is a big-boom-stick to hit something at the other end of my property... Maybe I won't be able to find 308's but someone's offering to trade a box of 30-06... can I get a gun that shoots both (w/o having to buy all the extra barrels and such Supafly mentioned w/ the Savage... though I admit, that may be the solution to my problem - one gun that has many barrels).     Thanks again for all the info and discussion. I think I'm more confused than ever but I will say I'm closer to selecting a rifle! :lol:   - K  
  21.  a short action and if the model number has three digits it is a long action.   GREAT, now I've got another variable to worry about! :rofl: LOL! Aside from cartridges available, is there a great difference between the two (I mean, obviously the performance of X-style cartridge will differ from Y-style... but beyond that?) Just how long the movement of the bolt travels, right? Is it possible to put a short-action round into a long-action rifle? Assuming you can't stuff a long into a short. Thanks again!   - K  
  22.   LOL! I'm not familiar w/ the Savage line. Supafly brings up some good points, but is waaaay beyond my level at this stage. I appreciate the info about the mod's and aftermarket, but I think I'll stick w/ the out-of-the-box config, at least for the get-go?   I was reading the spec's on Cheaper-than-Dirt, and noticed there are some differences that seem significant, unfortunately I'm going to raise my hand and plead "ROOKIE" again!   Remington: $751 Remington model 700 SPS Special Purpose bolt-action rifle .308 Winchester 24" carbon steel barrel 4 Round hinged floorplate magazine Single-stage trigger 2-position safety Black synthetic stock Matte blued finish 1:10" twist 13.38" length of pull 1.13" drop at comb 1.38" drop at heel R3 recoil pad Hinged floor plate magazine Swivel studs Drilled and tapped 43.63" overall length 13.38" Length of pull 7.25 lbs   - I didn't like the 'clip' one bit on the Remington, had to load the bullets through the chamber? Guy at the store didn't know how to take the clip out.   Savage: $424 Savage Axis XP bolt-action rifle .308 Winchester caliber 22" free floating barrel with Sporter taper 1:10" twist 4-round detachable box magazine Two positions safety Matte black synthetic stock Stainless steel barrel Dual pillar bedding Drilled and tapped for scope mounts Includes 3-9x40mm scope, mounted and bore sighted 43.875" overall length Weighs 6.5 pounds     I've seen this repeatedly on reviews for quality guns: "Pillar bedding" and also "Free Floating", and I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to know - however they seem to  be desirable features. They did have several Savage models on the floor at the store, I'll have to go back there and check them out! Hopefully the guy at the store knows how to work the magazines!   Thanks!   - K  
  23. Well, good news bad news from the trip to Frontier Firearms today for my permit class.... They had the Rem700 and Ruger American both w/ very nice scopes hanging on the wall for me to look at in between sessions! :)   Loved the Remington's bolt, but the price ($700+) and the safety weren't to my liking at all? Loved the trigger and the scope on the Ruger (not to mention it was $200 cheaper!), but the bolt action felt like it had a broken hip or something? WTF is up w/ that extra 'hitch' you've gotta do to cycle it? I didn't get to shoot either one (I dunno if rifles qualify for their try-before-you-buy?), but I will say if I money was no object and I had to pick, I'd take the Remington? The Ruger was nice, and I could probably get used to the extra twist in the bolt action, but the Remington rifle felt more natural in my hands. I'd rather get used to that safety than the bolt.   Interestingly the one guy was talking w/ another customer  about the 300 blackout... he was saying the round was designed to be shot through a shorter barrel auto-rifle w/ suppressor. It was initially designed by special forces to give them the hit of a larger bullet w/o the BANG of the bigger rounds, and specifically at shorter ranges. Highly recommend standard rifle calibre's if going passed 150 yds. Shrug, I'm a newbie so I'll let those more knowledgeable than me chew on that one?   Thanks again for the discussion!   - K  
  24.   Thanks cj0e, that's good advice. I've got to admit I'm seriously considering the 243. I also plan on getting a .22 (my oldest can't wait!), probably a couple, in part to practice as well as handle the smaller nuisances that come around. That's one reason I'm leaning towards the larger calibre, the small-end will be covered (and we go for our handgun permit class tomorrow!) But something like the 308 deliver twice the whack when it gets there. :stick:   - K  
  25. semi autos, AR esp, tame recoil a lot more.  A good muzzle brake can cut the recoil by a very large amount, though these are more common on AR type guns you can certainly have someone ugly up a bolt gun with one.   A good recoil pad does a lot too... my beloved mauser just has a metal plate... ow.   Thanks again Jonnin, I actually found the various muzzle brakes on the AR's I tried to be too distracting. I doubt I'll ugly up a classic bolt-action rifle. That'd just look weird? :lol:   - K  

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