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  1. 2 hours ago, Hozzie said:

    I’m ok with it.  Parents need to be held accountable.  As mentioned it will be selective prosecution, but parents need to take more responsibility.  

    The kid posted a vid with him playing alone with a loaded 22 handgun prior to killings.

    The dad claimed in trial the 9mm murder weapon was locked up but kid claimed it wasn't.

    Not getting any info yet kid was acting weird prior to the death drawing but I haven't watched alot of the testimony. Some families keep guns around unlocked as I have though not loaded. Sounds sexist but I had girls who had zero interest. If I had a teen boy perhaps I would take more precautions against  unsupervised access. Even if he had no signs of instability. Boys get the itch to mess with guns and show them to friends etc. 

    I have mixed feelings about the verdict but what I know is soon we will be hearing about a gun owner getting charged because his stolen gun was used in a murder. I'm not ok with that ever.

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  2. Got the timeline info I wanted from an old article.Here's the short of it.

    (sorry if posted in wrong section)

    No mention of Kid having previous mental or social issues but old article btw. (perhaps he did?)

    Parents buy kid handgun and Mom posts social media pics of kid with new gun.

    Teacher catches kid looking up ammo on his phone, was shocked and parents were notified. Mom texted son something to kid like, not mad just don't get caught next time.

    Day of shooting kid draws disturbing pic with disturbing perhaps suicidal words. Gun, blood, dead victim etc. Parents called to school about pic.

    Parents left kid in school and his backpack was never checked. Odd of parents and of School IMO as kid was known to be looking at ammo so they knew he used guns or was interested in them. (nothing weird there but the drawing was disturbing)

    Negligent for sure not checking backpack after weird pic by both parents and school but this verdict sets a pecident for any minor sloppy parenting skills or missed signals that your child could do this and you own a gun 

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/us/michigan-school-shooting-parents-charged

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  3. 9 minutes ago, DHF said:

    Oops. I read "Crumbley" in the title as crumbly like a cake. 

    I haven't followed this case closely but I worry that this will set a bad precedent for future prosecution.  I agree that from what I have seen there was at least a decent amount of negligence on the parents' part but I don't have enough info on what they "ignored" to make a call on their actions or lack there of.  You make a great point with what about the parents of gang members.

    Selective prosecution will be in force no doubt but expect every school shooters parent to be scrutinized for liability going foward. Crumbley case unique or not will be a blueprint for future cases.

  4. 3 minutes ago, DHF said:

    Sorry, what case are you referring to?

    James Crumbley parent of School shooter in Michigan. Convicted yesterday I believe, his wife also. I've just heard about it myself but it seems to be a landmark case. Having trouble getting timeline facts unless I watch hours of trial. News is skimming over details of how parents were guilty. 

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  5. All I'm getting from news is how this is a unique case. Involuntary manslaughter. No real details on how parents assisted, knew etc.

    I'm guessing the parents were excessively negligent but this seems to open the doors for prosecuting every parent of every school shooter. 

    Will it carry over to gang shooters  parents too?

    Thoughts and details of this case appreciated. 

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  6. 1 hour ago, TGO David said:

    Red flag laws are gun control.  Period.  They don't do anything to stop a person from obtaining a firearm through means other than retail sales.  They don't do anything to stop a person from committing assault with an improvised weapon of another sort.  The just control gun sales and give the false impression that a politician has "done something".

    If we really cared about stopping mentally and emotionally broken people from harming other people, we'd do something about the screwed-up person.

    I mean, if only we had some clue that the Covenant shooter was in need of geniune psychotherapy.

     

    Signs GIF by Harlem

    Honestly it might stop a couple but I've never been in the camp of taking away rights  "If it could just stop one of these shootings", "save one life etc." The people pushing these laws care more about their hidden agenda than saving lives.

    Here where there are more unregistered guns than people , open borders, gangs and Dem run crime infested big cities, A red flag law would stop perhaps a few wackos that weren't determined enough to seek a gun off the streets or steal one.

    All those teen gang bangers don't get their guns at the local gun shop or on trading forums like this! Narcotics have been heavily enforced forever yet look at all the addicts. What about human trafficking? YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT ILLEGALLY WITH ENOUGH CASH ! Oh yeah they want to stop that too, anyway....

    A poorly written and enforced Red Flag law might do more harm than good. I see visions of Ruby Ridge type incidents in our future if they go too far that will equal any recent mass shootings. And that will further the agenda of those behind  pushing these laws I'm afraid.

     

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  7.  

    The middle one seems harmless enough, the first one I guess means report a crime/arrest in 72 hours to TBI? So on the third one....what do you suppose the TBI would suggest be changed? And excuse my ignorance but if you are charged/arrested for a felony or misdemeanor now as the background check law stands are you barred from purchase until charges dropped or proven innocent at trial etc.?

    From the same article:

    The governor also signed an executive order Tuesday. He says the goal is to increase the effectiveness of the state’s background check process. It does several things:

    • Establishes a 72-hour new crime reporting requirement
    • Requires courts to submit timely and accurate information to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation
    • Requires the TBI to examine the process for purchasing firearms and submit a report listing any changes needed within 60 days
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    Gov. Bill Lee, in pivot, to sign order strengthening background checks, calls for red flag law | WKMS

    "While passing the Senate Judiciary may be a tough task, possibly tougher is getting House Speaker Cameron Sexton, R-Crossville, to shift his ideas on red flag like laws. Sexton stood with Gov. Lee at a press conference last week to unveil his amended school safety proposal. It passed with bipartisan support last week. But Rep. Sexton, during that time, shot down the idea of adopting red flag laws unless they had a mental health treatment tied to it."

  9. 5 hours ago, Omega said:

    Just another leftie that lost his shtuff:

    REVEALED: Suspected Kentucky bank shooter posted anti-Trump, pro-lockdown content on Reddit | The Post Millennial | thepostmillennial.com

    Don't see this lasting long in the news cycle after this reveal.

    Conflicted social media posting Lib working in an evil racist Capitalist Bank?  Nope won't be mentioned in MSM unless they can portray him as being bullied by the greedy conservative bankers for being a morally woke SJW.  Just the important stuff will be spoonfed to the low information public.

    Young white male.

    AR 15 "assault style" rifle.

    Republicans and NRA bad

    Gun owning citizens bad

     

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  10. Shooter has been named,

    Normal average looking young man, great education and career path, doesn't appear to fit the mold at first glance. Perhaps he had major anger issues and decided to kill those he felt wronged him at the Bank. ........latest is the creep livestreamed the shooting and his Dad was recently posting  anti-gun stuff how we are laughed at in other countries and politicians are cowards on guns bla,bla, bla.

    Either way Biden, CNN etc, I feel safer in an armed America than unarmed Europe so pound sand! When they say X amount of deadly shootings in US it sounds ridiculously high but.... Many of our States = their Countries is size/population. Violent robbery stabbing deaths and injuries are higher in Europe overall I would guess and the murder rates in Europe overall may be similar or even higher. Not saying we don't have a mass shooting problem here because we do but don't lie and say how wonderful it will be if the law abiding were disarmed. Crazies and Murderers will not follow laws, will buy black market guns or will find other ways.

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  11. 18 hours ago, jaytex1969 said:

    About to pick up a very minty 1980 XS650.

    Will probably trade off one of the Valkyries once the XS passes muster.

    Jay

     

    XS650.jpg

    That was my ride as a teenager in S Florida! Yamaha 650 special, same color/year. I sure felt cool tooling around on it.

    Recently got back into riding after many decades and am enjoying my Honda cmx500 on these twisty country roads around Cookeville and Sparta but sure miss that Yamaha.

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  12. 18 hours ago, hipower said:

    So brilliant an analysis. Really. I wish I could have said it this well.

    An emphasis on the "more pharmaceuticals" is a biggie.

    Meds have replaced state mental hospitals but people go off the meds without monitoring. 

    Society used to allow police to arrest people for vagrancy, petty crime, public nuscence or indecency etc.

    These arrests often weeded out people who needed mental care.

    Now they roam around unchecked.

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  13. Just now, TGO David said:

    This should require a consensus from several doctors, in my opinion.  Perhaps confirmation from at least two of three.

    We are talking about taking away a person's rights without trial.

    Don't forget....some people, perhaps this woman check themselves in for bad thoughts, voices etc. If that's the case speed is of the essence to temporarily hold them for evaluation/treatment. Nothing different will happen on mental illness though because it is a slippery slope and the status quo is working for the anti-gun folks. They blame the gun not the mentally ill maniac.

    Red flag laws might get passed but in a form that will be abusive to sane law abiding gun owners I'm sure. Alot of good sane  folks out there on mild anti-depressants, medical weed, got in a justified scuffle or your neighbor doesn't like the campaign sign in your yard and reports you as suspicious... the list is endless.   

  14. 1 hour ago, Alleycat72 said:

    If you are so dangerous that the public believes you need your guns taken away then you are too dangerous to be in public. No need to take the guns. Take the people. 

    Yes..on a case to case basis and not the public, aka jilted girlfriends but a Doctor. Doctor finds you are having  suicidal/homicidal manic thoughts then i think a some hospital time is in order. We have gone from one extreme to the other on mental health in this country. Need a middle ground.

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  15. Watched a brief timeline/history of this shooter on Daily Mirror I believe? The freaking contrast from a happy outgoing art/graphic design grad to cold blooded creep was only a few months they said. The school used her as part of their PR campaign in a vid and you never would have guessed this was in her future.

    I'm in the minority I guess of wanting to know what is in the manifesto, what meds she was on, how was her work going etc. If she was under mental care for suicidal thoughts etc.  Was her pronoun fluidity brand new? Was she on meds to assist that?

    If a person is under care for certain mental conditions, (contemplating suicide, paranoid schitzophrenia) and a Doctor is concerned then what would be wrong with a home safety enquirary and a flag on new gun purchases?  Like when did she buy these guns?

    On a side note the exteme doomsday for LGBTQ/ minorities, us vs them rhetoric from MSM and Politicians these days would really negatively feed into an already paranoid fragile delusional mind. I lived with a suddenly Paranoid Schitzoprenic family member in the late 70s and wow! The delusions and thoughts about everybody out to get him were shocking. Can't imagine how bad it would be now for someone in that state watching cable news and podcasts nowadays. And how do you tell in 2023 if somebody is just repeating amped up fake news they believe true and is slightly brainwashed by it or... is actually becoming a Dangerous Paranoid Schitzophrenic?  Some crazy has become main stream thought and everybody just goes along to get along because to discuss is to get cancelled.

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  16. 53 minutes ago, bersaguy said:

    I hope you were trying to be funny when you called Hanoi Jane sexy? I think she should still be over there listed as MIA.......JMHO

    despite my digust of her communist ways.....in the movie Barbarella JF was pretty hot. 

     

  17. I'm starting to guess this has been going on for quite some time.

    Now the cat's out of the bag with the huge obvious one being spotted by everyone (maybe on purpose?), the Govt. is doing something finally to save face politically.

    The biggest threat these objects pose is exposing/testing the weakness of the US to stand up to China I suppose. 

  18. 20 hours ago, peejman said:

    Pressure is the same in every direction.  Doesn't matter where you make holes, it will leak at the same rate. 

    Normal air pressure at sea level is 14.7psi.  The air pressure at 65,000ft is about 0.8psi and the temp is about -65F.  

    Flying a U2 "near it" likely meant within 10 miles. A collision between the U2 and balloon would yield a smoking hole in the ground. It flies at nearly 500mph and can't maneuver much at all at that altitude. 

    Figured helium is lighter than air so top holes would vent the gas faster despite pressure issues.

    No doubt accurate shooting is difficult but seems the wealth and might of the US should be able to capture a near intact payload next time. There is large swaths of barely populated land that it flew over.

    Holes must make it descend somewhat right? Some gas leaks out?

    Next time perhaps attempt "over land" numerous large rounds towards the top. Just keep at it. If no luck after it's Swiss cheesed then we know the missile works lol.

     

  19. 14 minutes ago, Whisper said:

    Did you see the video of the F22 shooting it down?  I'm not sure how anyone would classify that as inadequate.  What better ballon buster do you want?

    Cheers,

    Whisper

    One that can bring it down safely but slower to preserve the payload as previously discussed.

    Multiple rounds apparently don't phase it and the missile is overkill.

  20. 20 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:

    I read in several places that those balloons operate at very low pressure.  Plus the altitude and materials are a major factor. It don't just pop like a regular toy balloon.  It was stated that you could shoot a hundred 20MM holes in it and the helium would still bleed off so slowly that it could take days for it to come down and you'd never be able to predict where. 

    I would guess if you could accurately shoot holes towards the top it would vent the helium faster than the middle.

    I read somewhere we were flying old U2 planes near it. Seems we need to rig one up as a balloon buster if our fighters are inadequate. There has to be a good way to deal with these things next time.

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