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Did I understand it's the SELLERS responsibility to determine if buyer is buying with intent to resell for profit? This is worse than expected I believe. What a big win for the anti gun lobby. Basically this law will make everyone skittish about selling privately to anyone except close friends or relatives. I invision a bill of sale form with verbage saying "buyer purchase with intent for personal use and will hold for a minimum of one year before resale"

This is more about scaring parents away from passing on firearms use to their kids. One generation and no one will want to or know how to use a gun they are thinking.

Not so sure of timeline, did he actually ask/beg for mental health or just showed signs of a need? Seems he deteriorated quickly though and the pic in the school warranted a backpack check at a minimum. School had some responsibility there too. Perhaps if I watched entire trial Id agree with you somewhat but it didn't seem so black and white from what I saw. Parents were definitely distracted and ignoring him alot but perhaps more often than not this is the case in the US. Again no lock up laws at the time, it wasn't stored in his room or kept with him. Perhaps they truely believed he was a reasonably good, sane kid with a few little problems who followed rules. The other thing that bothers me is the parents of gangbanger punks. Certainly this more often happens with these cases but just not in schools. Why these two parents now? Believe me, next is a gun owners stolen gun will get the owner jail time. Lastly,I have to go there....your kid has anxiety meds, adhd, depression but begs you to drive. You make it happen, learner permit then he steals the keys one day and purposely runs down a bunch of kids. Kids, people who do these awful crimes dont always broadcast their plans and sometimes hide their problems. The shooter scratched out the bad parts of the picture he drew for instance before the parents saw it at the school.

Sounds like one of the few times those high tech proximity switch guns that only fire when the owner holds it would be way to go "IF" they actually work. Not a fan but if that helps arm Teachers who wish to carry then why not?

If passed Teachers who choose to carry should neither be obligated to protect nor be liable if their choice to protect ends badly. I feel this is a good deterrent but without legal immunity most teachers will opt out.

Just heard on radio the Judge went beyond recommendations and gave the parents 15 years! As for knowing everything your teen is up to or capable of? Plenty of cases out there of parents being murdered by their kids. They obviously didn't know. Normalcy bias of years of living together makes you oblivious. I've watched some trial coverage now and feel the parents were not horrible but definitely had lost interest in actively being involved with the kid. The marriage was bad apparently and alot of teens these days are hard to be close to anyway. What I'm saying is I guess 15 years is weirdly harsh unless the parents let the kid know this is your gun, keep it in your room, mess with it anytime unsupervised and btw here's some ammo. I don't think anything like that was in the trial. Gun was in parents room unloaded, hidden? Not great, a little stupid with a teen boy interested in guns but no law on storage at the time was broken I believe. So why 15 years?

The kid posted a vid with him playing alone with a loaded 22 handgun prior to killings. The dad claimed in trial the 9mm murder weapon was locked up but kid claimed it wasn't. Not getting any info yet kid was acting weird prior to the death drawing but I haven't watched alot of the testimony. Some families keep guns around unlocked as I have though not loaded. Sounds sexist but I had girls who had zero interest. If I had a teen boy perhaps I would take more precautions against unsupervised access. Even if he had no signs of instability. Boys get the itch to mess with guns and show them to friends etc. I have mixed feelings about the verdict but what I know is soon we will be hearing about a gun owner getting charged because his stolen gun was used in a murder. I'm not ok with that ever.

Got the timeline info I wanted from an old article.Here's the short of it. (sorry if posted in wrong section) No mention of Kid having previous mental or social issues but old article btw. (perhaps he did?) Parents buy kid handgun and Mom posts social media pics of kid with new gun. Teacher catches kid looking up ammo on his phone, was shocked and parents were notified. Mom texted son something to kid like, not mad just don't get caught next time. Day of shooting kid draws disturbing pic with disturbing perhaps suicidal words. Gun, blood, dead victim etc. Parents called to school about pic. Parents left kid in school and his backpack was never checked. Odd of parents and of School IMO as kid was known to be looking at ammo so they knew he used guns or was interested in them. (nothing weird there but the drawing was disturbing) Negligent for sure not checking backpack after weird pic by both parents and school but this verdict sets a pecident for any minor sloppy parenting skills or missed signals that your child could do this and you own a gun https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/us/michigan-school-shooting-parents-charged

Selective prosecution will be in force no doubt but expect every school shooters parent to be scrutinized for liability going foward. Crumbley case unique or not will be a blueprint for future cases.

James Crumbley parent of School shooter in Michigan. Convicted yesterday I believe, his wife also. I've just heard about it myself but it seems to be a landmark case. Having trouble getting timeline facts unless I watch hours of trial. News is skimming over details of how parents were guilty.

All I'm getting from news is how this is a unique case. Involuntary manslaughter. No real details on how parents assisted, knew etc. I'm guessing the parents were excessively negligent but this seems to open the doors for prosecuting every parent of every school shooter. Will it carry over to gang shooters parents too? Thoughts and details of this case appreciated.

Honestly it might stop a couple but I've never been in the camp of taking away rights "If it could just stop one of these shootings", "save one life etc." The people pushing these laws care more about their hidden agenda than saving lives. Here where there are more unregistered guns than people , open borders, gangs and Dem run crime infested big cities, A red flag law would stop perhaps a few wackos that weren't determined enough to seek a gun off the streets or steal one. All those teen gang bangers don't get their guns at the local gun shop or on trading forums like this! Narcotics have been heavily enforced forever yet look at all the addicts. What about human trafficking? YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT ILLEGALLY WITH ENOUGH CASH ! Oh yeah they want to stop that too, anyway.... A poorly written and enforced Red Flag law might do more harm than good. I see visions of Ruby Ridge type incidents in our future if they go too far that will equal any recent mass shootings. And that will further the agenda of those behind pushing these laws I'm afraid.

The middle one seems harmless enough, the first one I guess means report a crime/arrest in 72 hours to TBI? So on the third one....what do you suppose the TBI would suggest be changed? And excuse my ignorance but if you are charged/arrested for a felony or misdemeanor now as the background check law stands are you barred from purchase until charges dropped or proven innocent at trial etc.? From the same article: The governor also signed an executive order Tuesday. He says the goal is to increase the effectiveness of the state’s background check process. It does several things: Establishes a 72-hour new crime reporting requirement Requires courts to submit timely and accurate information to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Requires the TBI to examine the process for purchasing firearms and submit a report listing any changes needed within 60 days

Gov. Bill Lee, in pivot, to sign order strengthening background checks, calls for red flag law | WKMS "While passing the Senate Judiciary may be a tough task, possibly tougher is getting House Speaker Cameron Sexton, R-Crossville, to shift his ideas on red flag like laws. Sexton stood with Gov. Lee at a press conference last week to unveil his amended school safety proposal. It passed with bipartisan support last week. But Rep. Sexton, during that time, shot down the idea of adopting red flag laws unless they had a mental health treatment tied to it."

Conflicted social media posting Lib working in an evil racist Capitalist Bank? Nope won't be mentioned in MSM unless they can portray him as being bullied by the greedy conservative bankers for being a morally woke SJW. Just the important stuff will be spoonfed to the low information public. Young white male. AR 15 "assault style" rifle. Republicans and NRA bad Gun owning citizens bad

Shooter has been named, Normal average looking young man, great education and career path, doesn't appear to fit the mold at first glance. Perhaps he had major anger issues and decided to kill those he felt wronged him at the Bank. ........latest is the creep livestreamed the shooting and his Dad was recently posting anti-gun stuff how we are laughed at in other countries and politicians are cowards on guns bla,bla, bla. Either way Biden, CNN etc, I feel safer in an armed America than unarmed Europe so pound sand! When they say X amount of deadly shootings in US it sounds ridiculously high but.... Many of our States = their Countries is size/population. Violent robbery stabbing deaths and injuries are higher in Europe overall I would guess and the murder rates in Europe overall may be similar or even higher. Not saying we don't have a mass shooting problem here because we do but don't lie and say how wonderful it will be if the law abiding were disarmed. Crazies and Murderers will not follow laws, will buy black market guns or will find other ways.

That was my ride as a teenager in S Florida! Yamaha 650 special, same color/year. I sure felt cool tooling around on it. Recently got back into riding after many decades and am enjoying my Honda cmx500 on these twisty country roads around Cookeville and Sparta but sure miss that Yamaha.

Heavy.com has a bit more info on shooters description. He'll fit more neatly into their story line than the last one did. Expect a lot of deep coverage on this one.

Long gun used at a bank conference room. Workplace violence?? Anybody's guess at this stage

An emphasis on the "more pharmaceuticals" is a biggie. Meds have replaced state mental hospitals but people go off the meds without monitoring. Society used to allow police to arrest people for vagrancy, petty crime, public nuscence or indecency etc. These arrests often weeded out people who needed mental care. Now they roam around unchecked.

Don't forget....some people, perhaps this woman check themselves in for bad thoughts, voices etc. If that's the case speed is of the essence to temporarily hold them for evaluation/treatment. Nothing different will happen on mental illness though because it is a slippery slope and the status quo is working for the anti-gun folks. They blame the gun not the mentally ill maniac. Red flag laws might get passed but in a form that will be abusive to sane law abiding gun owners I'm sure. Alot of good sane folks out there on mild anti-depressants, medical weed, got in a justified scuffle or your neighbor doesn't like the campaign sign in your yard and reports you as suspicious... the list is endless.

Yes..on a case to case basis and not the public, aka jilted girlfriends but a Doctor. Doctor finds you are having suicidal/homicidal manic thoughts then i think a some hospital time is in order. We have gone from one extreme to the other on mental health in this country. Need a middle ground.

Watched a brief timeline/history of this shooter on Daily Mirror I believe? The freaking contrast from a happy outgoing art/graphic design grad to cold blooded creep was only a few months they said. The school used her as part of their PR campaign in a vid and you never would have guessed this was in her future. I'm in the minority I guess of wanting to know what is in the manifesto, what meds she was on, how was her work going etc. If she was under mental care for suicidal thoughts etc. Was her pronoun fluidity brand new? Was she on meds to assist that? If a person is under care for certain mental conditions, (contemplating suicide, paranoid schitzophrenia) and a Doctor is concerned then what would be wrong with a home safety enquirary and a flag on new gun purchases? Like when did she buy these guns? On a side note the exteme doomsday for LGBTQ/ minorities, us vs them rhetoric from MSM and Politicians these days would really negatively feed into an already paranoid fragile delusional mind. I lived with a suddenly Paranoid Schitzoprenic family member in the late 70s and wow! The delusions and thoughts about everybody out to get him were shocking. Can't imagine how bad it would be now for someone in that state watching cable news and podcasts nowadays. And how do you tell in 2023 if somebody is just repeating amped up fake news they believe true and is slightly brainwashed by it or... is actually becoming a Dangerous Paranoid Schitzophrenic? Some crazy has become main stream thought and everybody just goes along to get along because to discuss is to get cancelled.

Sad watching the video how potentially easy it would have been to take her out early if there was only an armed teacher/staff or two nearby in the entry or hall. Do private Christian schools not have SROs?

Scary times for School kids but alot of kids in Schools throughout the US. Plenty in higher Education too. Hard to think statistics when it hits close to home like today though.