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You have no duty to retreat. That is something different than thinking Castle Doctrine creates a free fire zone. If you walked in and found a burglar in your home, your Nest camera is running, or he is live streaming as some criminals do, and it records him throwing his hands in the air, surrendering, and telling you he is unarmed, don’t shoot. You kill him.
You will enter the courtroom with the presumptions given you under Castle Doctrine. The prosecutor will then blow those presumptions out of the water. That’s just my opinion though. I guess its possible the state would allow you to execute a surrendering burglar. But since they won’t let you kill a fleeing burglar; I doubt it.
But those are decisions everyone must make on their own. My own personal belief is that when a person is committing a forcible felony they should have no rights. And should be subject to being shot or killed by the victims or bystanders. Unfortunately most folks don’t agree. Especially when the offender is a friend, family member, or a child. Our founding Fathers were a bunch of tough old guys that are probably rolling over in their graves when they see their words being twisted to hold the rights of a criminal above those of the victims.
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7 hours ago, hipower said:
Dad thought that buying anything not USA made was a horrible sin, and an insult to all who had fought for this Nation. He said we were just giving away our country, a dollar at a time.
He was right.
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Two shots ain't very "tacticool"
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We would all like to have a blueprint of what the law requires in any given situation to determine if we can legally use deadly force. We don’t have that. The closest we have is this… Deadly force is justified if a reasonable person believes deadly force is required to prevent death or great bodily harm.”. There are many variations on that wording.
We have these discussions/arguments/bickering all the time here. And that’s a good thing. People need to understand all the ins and outs.
Two of the most misunderstood terms I see in these discussions is usually “Castle Doctrine” and “Duty to Retreat”. The Castle Doctrine does not create a free fire zone; you can still be charged. And Tennessee doesn’t need to tell you that you don’t have a duty to retreat because as best I can tell; they never had had that as a requirement. Those laws are generally in states that at one time had a duty to retreat.
“Reasonable Person” is a Judge or jury, if you go to trial. They will decide if what you did was “reasonable”.
What you did will be judged by strangers that will make decisions that could alter your life and the lives of your family. The responding Officers, The investigators, The DA, and ultimately a Judge or Jury, that have hours or even months to decide what you had to decide in seconds will determine your fate.
Every case is different.
Times are changing. In the past when a criminal got killed committing a violent act; no one really cared. Nowadays if it’s a cop doing the killing; the left wants them charged even when they were clearly in danger. And we have seen that happen when it shouldn’t have. They will certainly apply that same standard to armed citizens killing criminals.
“It’s better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6” is a stupid statement. It’s better to not be charged, period. If you are charged with murder you will get exactly the amount of justice you can afford. That would financially destroy most of us.
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How in the world did how to handle burglars turn into a rehashing of the North Vs. the South??
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19 hours ago, bersaguy said:
They asked one officer if he had any idea how to fix the problem and he said yes, just 1. Pass a law the permitted people the right to use deadly legal force to protect their property without fear of prosecution and it would take a short time and you would begin to see the numbers go down pretty quick. He said until you put some fear in these young people that they can be killed by the property owner they will continue to do as they please because they don't fear being arrested.
When I started as a Police Officer; we had those laws. Tennessee v. Garner ended that.
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What is RBM?
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1 hour ago, Capbyrd said:
Belt loops are used for bump fire. We must ban them!
Obviously you can’t. But is sure does look like that Florida law can be used to convict you of a felony if you use them to increase the rate of fire of your firearm.
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13 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:
Flipping off a cop is stupid.
A cop thinking he can stop a car with no probable cause is stupid.
But teach your kids that it probably won’t work out as well for them as it did for that woman.
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I remember in the 80’s when people in Miami were disconnecting their car horns because people were being shot for honking at others in traffic. Crazy people are everywhere.
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19 minutes ago, Swamp ash said:
That said, your life was not in jeopardy, you contributed to the mess and the nothing in the event comes close to requiring deadly force.
I disagree, my opinion is that attempting to break his window and forcibly entering his vehicle, justified the use of deadly force. But…. that’s just my opinion. Good thing he didn’t have to find out.
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What is the rate of fire using a rubber band? Can it mimic 13 rounds a second. JM can do 5 rounds a second with an AR.
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3 minutes ago, billyblazes said:
Maybe as the standard for the speed “a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted” is determined we can use Jerry Miculek as the benchmark?
2 minutes ago, Chucktshoes said:I have two words that will keep anyone from being convicted under that statute.
Jerry Miculek
Absolutely! But I would bet it cost you a lot to get Jerry Miculek for your expert witness.
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7 minutes ago, billyblazes said:
Take note of the last sentence as to how the term “bump-fire stock” is defined. People have argued that it could be applied to a rubber band
I don’t know how fast you can fire using a rubber band, but if this statement applied…
QuoteAs used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.
It could be.
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6 minutes ago, Omega said:
Same same. Snopes just reprinted. I have avoided Snopes, they are far too liberal with their fact checking for me.
I feel the same way about the Tennessean, but both them and the AP are saying they have documents. So I’m guessing they may have the Police reports.
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The Tennessean is running the same story, claiming they have obtained documents.
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5 minutes ago, Omega said:
We will see come Jan 20.
According to him it will be a busy day. Personally I think after all the inauguration festivities; he’ll go back and nap the rest of the day and not do anything. But as you say, we shall see.
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11 minutes ago, No_0ne said:
Bernie is kind of caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to guns and gun control. On the one hand, he needs to keep up with the other neo-communists on the left and go all in on gun control, bans, and the like. However, he represents the state of Vermont which is a decidedly pro-gun state so has to be careful just how far he pushes the "all guns bad" propaganda while hoping to remain in the Senate. It's a very fine line to walk, which is why Bernie would much rather talk about confiscating other people's money than their guns ...
Exactly. And that’s why Bernie Sanders would do a 180 degree spin so fast it would make your head spin if he was ever the nominee. His gun control ideas would be as outlandish as all the rest of his Socialist ideas.
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16 hours ago, billyblazes said:
When Florida passed a Bump-Stock ban prior to the Feds doing so Florida worded the law in such a way to prohibit any device, attachment, or accessory that accelerates rate of fire.
I don’t know, but I suspect that will be in proposed legislation soon. Will it pass? Who knows. But I suspect it will be worded so broadly as to cover most any aftermarket trigger.
I didn’t know Florida passed a law like that. Do you have a link to the specifics?
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19 minutes ago, AuEagle said:
Update: SGAmmo .45 ACP in stock.
Close your eyes, what ya see? Nothing.
Ha, ha, ha I appreciate it when vendors have the option of picking “Show in stock only” and everything disappears so you don’t have to waste your time looking.
They do have a lot of .223 though; if you want to pay nearly a buck a round or more.
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In 1978 my new S&W Model 19 cost $175. That’s $726 in todays dollars, or about what a 686 cost pre-CRB.
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So if you are the seller for a gun part on GB for $50 and someone in Tennessee buys it, and you have to charge state sales tax, is there some dollar limit on how much you have to have before you have to file? Do you have to file if $3.50 is all you collected?
What if you just didn’t bill the buyer in Tennessee sales tax?
Seems to me I thought I saw someone that there was a dollar limit for buyers when sales tax hadn’t been collected before they had to submit taxes?
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4 hours ago, MarkS said:
Did I use good judgment not firing, or was this a case that I could have been killed myself, and should have pulled the trigger?
I absolutely think you did the right thing. From your description, you were justified in using deadly force, but you didn’t because you didn’t need to. You then reported it to the Police. I don’t know how anyone could second guess that, and I wouldn’t care if they did. Good for you, you survived it without taking a life or having to go through an investigation.
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Sayin’ hello!
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Welcome to the forum. And thank you for making that website.
My Uncle was killed in the pacific in the crash of his B-17 in 1943. My mother had only the information that she was told as a child about what happened to her brother. A year or so ago I did a Google search on his name and found some info. It ultimately led me to a site that identified his plane, all the crew members and what happened. When I told my Mom about the information I had found, she said it wasn’t correct because “She was told” (back in the day). I explained to her that some of the information was written by one of the two crew members that survived the crash. She wanted me to “print that website”
. So now I’m in the process of trying to remotely teach her how to use that website to get info.
Sites like yours fill in the blanks for a lot of people, and give information to the young folks that want to know what really happened. Thank you.