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and... I totally agree with the point Spots made. The vast majority of the career predators would not be in the least intimidated at the sight of a knife or gun. Those things are a part of their daily reality, many have been cut or shot before (this is from my personal work experience and observations).   In an adrenalinized and aggressive state, many won't even know they've been cut or some...even shot...at least not initially.   There is nothing to be gained by displaying a lethal force tool in the majority of instances. Let them be the one that needs to reset their OODA loop.

You're welcome EMT.   My take on this may be a bit different. I don't in any way believe Mr. Cestari was stroking his ego, but, from the perspective of his background and training, warning his students that there are times when suddenly and brutally attacked, you must deploy empty hand, reactive skills in order to even be able to access your own weapon. Reality is, when you are behind the eight ball and reacting, you must stop/trap/or make some distance...even momentarily...in order to access your own weapons.   If you ever have the opportunity, try a force on force at phone booth, bad breath, distances using Sims with a quality professional trainer. I know it was an eye opening experience for me. YMMV.   Just my opinion and no disrespect intended to anyone posting.

I love pickled green tomatoes...and pickled okra. But I can understand the burnout factor my friend.   And believe me, I also understand financial priorities. We build our raised bed one at a time. We have several...but could certainly use a few more.   Best of luck and success to you.

peejman; I don't know what happened to the snap beans my friend. Our greatest nemesis has been the below: Garden Eating Herd of Rabbits! [url=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Garden%202013/garden2013008_zps6bcb2eb5.jpg.html][/URL] Our solution? chickenwire! [center][url=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Garden%202013/garden2013005_zps90dc52a3.jpg.html][/url][/center] Your production will kick up. Learning to waterbath and pressure can are great skills to have, and will save you money in the long run. Somebody will have surplus, or there are occasionally good buys at farmer's markets. Come on, jump in Buddy. :pleased:

Smartphones Huh?   I'll stick with my dumbphone LOL.   I like it cause I can punch some numbers, a person answers on the other end, and we talk. Can smartphones do that? :cool:

Spots;   Thank you for broaching this topic.   I think a lot, if not most, people have never seriously considered what the reality of this type of attack would be.   The contributions of people like Rex Applegate, Fairbairn and Sykes, Bob Kasper and Carl Cestari are incredible. They “did the work”.   I think it was Kelly McCann that said “Martial arts are what you do with somebody; Combatives are what you do to somebody”…the above wrote the book on Combatives. We can all learn from them. They lived and functioned in the brutal world of reality.   I carry a gun. I also carry a knife (or two) and an impact tool. I train with them all, and I been blessed to learn from Andy Stanford, Paul Gomez, SouthNarc and several others.   We generally don’t have the initiative in these attacks. We, by law, and personal moral code, find ourselves as “defenders”, not “attackers”. That puts us behind the curve from the getgo. Most of us won’t even know we are in a fight, until it is well underway. I know folks will say “I stay in Condition Yellow”, “I’ll see it coming and _______  & _____.” I hope so. But reality all too often dictates otherwise.   Predators (like Cestari described above) hunt in packs, and only if they perceive that they can win…   There is a ‘treatise” written by SouthNarc entitled [url=http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?7751-The-Myth-of-Proportional-Armament-by-SouthNarc] “The Myth of Proportional Armament”[/url] that is well worth reading, imho.     In my many years working ER and ICU I have seen the end results of edged weapons attacks (18 years working in New Orleans). It’s brutal, vicious, and messy … the results are totally unpredictable.   Even here in East TN, I’ve seen a 2” blade penetrate the heart when a person was stabbed in his left side. Human tissue is very compressible. This guy didn’t know he was stabbed, as I hear from the majority of folks I’ve given care to.     While dated, there is a very good film by Calibre Press called “Surviving Edged Weapons” that will give a bit of insight into this topic.   Good topic Sir. Food for thought.

    Thank you gun.   Canning is really pretty straight forward. Like handloading, you learn the concepts and adhere to the guidelines.   These are Kosher Dills. I added dill we planted earlier (in May), garlic cloves, grape leaves (for crispness), and dill seed.   I would highly recommend [url=https://www.lehmans.com/p-514-ball-blue-book.aspx] The Ball Bluebook[/url], if anyone is interested.

It's amazing how fast things can grow with a bit of warmth and a little rain. :pleased: [center][b]May[/b][/center] [center][URL=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Garden%202013/garden2013002_zps4e70b78c.jpg.html][/URL][/center] [center][b]June[/b][/center] [center][URL=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Garden%202013/garden2013014_zps8c83e2a7.jpg.html][/URL][/center] The below cukes are from just this week.... [center][URL=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Pressure%20Canning%20Adventures/814cb637-eb5b-4474-8290-d428152898e3_zpsd86b8a9e.jpg.html][/URL][/center] 3 of those baskets total this week, and this is what happens... [center][URL=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Pressure%20Canning%20Adventures/KosherDillPickles23June20132_zps591f6459.jpg.html][/URL][/center] [center][URL=http://s783.photobucket.com/user/Prag03/media/Pressure%20Canning%20Adventures/KosherDillPickles23June20131_zpsf4dfc63a.jpg.html][/URL][/center] 25 quarts of Kosher Dill pickles. Ummmm.... :clap: I guess I'll make Bread & Butter pickles next week. My bush beans are almost ready to pick...the pole beans are about a week behind them. It just goes to show you, even in the suburbs, gardens can be productive..But beware...gardening is a gateway activity that can lead to canning. :hat:

    All the more reason to have a physical copy in my home library my friend.   Even though I'm an old Corpsman, I am sorely lacking in meaningful group tactics practical experience. Dry I can handle. My time serving with the Corps was with MSG (Marine Security Guards)...not a lot of field tactics in our Embassies LOL. And the knowledge paradigm related to Urban Conflict has shifted dramatically since I served.   Thanks Spots.

Glad you got it cleaned out Dol. :up:   Good luck on the new powder and load.

Thanks Dol. And you anticipated my next question regarding that particular powder...   I've never used Lil'Gun powder. If I try it I will certainly bear this in mind. Sorry that happened to you Good Sir.   Is your RCBS powder dispenser ruined? Or can you get the glued on powder out?

I'm surprised to hear that Dolomite.   Is your reloading setup in a climate (humidity) controlled area?

Thanks Spot. I'll add "Contact" to my list.   That's good to hear about the "Holding their own" series of books as well...I just added them as well. Much obliged.

About all I shoot are Glocks in 9mm. After countless thousands of handloads I've never encountered a problem with my brass and "Glock  Smiles", if that is what they were talking about.   I inspect my brass as I'm handloading, if the brass looks questionable I just toss it in my scrap bucket...I've yet to have one of my handloads rupture...but I'm not pushing +P+ levels either.   :2cents:

  I'm probably too much of an old goat for the electronic versions LOL. Heck...I'm still impressed by fire... :pleased:   But I too would think I am being taken to the cleaners if I didn't have the physical unit that could be shared around.

  LOL...Now you done gone and spoiled our fun.   See how easily we entertain ourselves? :pleased:   Thanks for sharing the info nra.  We actually do appreciate it.           tartan...I do have an extra flux capacitor if you ever need one. :shhh: 

What? You guys don't do time travel? :shrug:

  I appreciate what you're saying about the cost my friend. It's a ridiculous system...but I've passed on the books I purchased to my son, who has also shared them around. The "Tate" books have actually helped his wife and a couple of others to better understand the concept of prepping and in her case, actually embrace it. I too think they are overpriced for the amount of book you get...no doubt...but as long as the quality of the material remains good I'll keep buying them and passing them along.       Murgatroy  :up:  to the Survivalist's Series by Ahern.   I still have the series in a box in my basement...they've been read, loaned out and returned more than a few times. They are about to the point of falling apart. The series was quite unique and innovative at the time, even if way over the top towards superhero status...but very enjoyable at the time. Heck...I still want one of those COP .357 mags that Natalia had LOL. An old shooting buddy of mine back in MS (another big Ahern fan) actually had a "brace" of Detonics, shoulder rig and all...fine shooting little pistols.  :pleased: 

It looks like the new Glenn Tate book is out on Amazon...I do like Amazon Prime. :pleased: Link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0615828507/ref=pe_340070_30475800_email_1p_0_ti       Spots: I'm half way through with " Patriot Dawn" by Max Velocity...Excellent read thus far my friend. :up:   Link: http://www.amazon.com/Patriot-Dawn-Resistance-Max-Velocity/dp/1480139688/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371282435&sr=1-2&keywords=max+velocity+books     Robert: I read "One Second After" before "Light's Out" as well. Both were great reads, but I found "One Second After" the better of the two...very sobering in it's dealings with a potential reality.

    Exactly my friend. This is something that I would think most members would be able to take advantage of...I know I'd pick up a couple of them. I'd also purchase the patch for my range bag of course.             Thank you David. :up:

Thank you for the consideration David.   I will gladly commit to a couple of patches as well. But I also hope you will consider Spiffy's idea of a pin. As Randy mentioned, the versatility of a pin would be very useful.

Of course, you're right tartan. The backorders will eventually ship. Being able to lock in at a decent price? I have no complaints.

I like the patch idea, as I don't wear a vest...I just use my EDC wear...   Is there a possibility of TGO producing a run of patches? Not necessarily with the bullet hole logo...nothing wrong with that...but maybe a patch with just "TGO" on it?     Spiffy told me I missed the last TGO Intro at ORSA. Maybe we can have another at the July Match.

Same here folks...and a couple of my buds I gave a head's up to already received theirs... I agree, most probably human intervention.   I find it aggravating because I ordered the .22's for a friend that wasn't able to place the order at that time.   I guess it's just the nature of the beast these days. :shrug:

Thanks Luke and Dolomite.   Have you guys considered making this a stickie? Or perhaps a tutorial?   Obviously I marked this thread, but I would think other folks venturing into carbine/rifle reloading would find this info very helpful as well.   Much obliged folks.