Jamie Jackson

Wow! That sure looks different from the gun I saw last Sunday! Very Nice GTG! How is the "quickness" and clarity of that Millet?

As you mentioned, a racquet ball or tennis racket bag works. Gray-man logo concept... I've also used the pull tie bags that some folding lawn chairs come in. The one I used was pretty thin, but certainly served it's purpose well. Let us know what you come up with my friend.

AAR: Dealing With Pests-Civilian Use of Force Continuum and Solutions. Date: Sunday June 5 2016 First off, Thank you Randy and GTG! We had an information packed class, actually very little rain, and I had the opportunity to meet Erik from TGO and see/train with my bud roar-k, a very dialed in and motivated gentleman. And of course having the chance to train with my friend GTG and 3 of the members of our local group was a plus! Outstanding class folks! Randy wasn’t kidding when he said “This is the class your CCW class should have been” ! John Steinbeck wrote “The final weapon is the brain, all else is supplemental” and Randy laid the foundation for the class on this concept, opening with Jeff Cooper’s “Color Code” and Randy’s excellent “Dealing with PESTS” lecture . A fight you've avoided is a fight you've won... The Devil is always in the details, and this class was very detailed and focused heavily on Concept and Context…something often lost in many training classes. This reflects Randy’s comprehensive subject knowledge and teaching ability. From a “Gun Centric” background many suffer from the Hammer & Nail illusion…we can’t always have a gun on us and not every situation is a shooting situation…actually, going for your gun at the wrong time can be the worst thing you can do within certain contexts…you must have physical control and space in order to initiate this option…if it’s even the correct option. I promise, Randy can enlighten you on this! We used a variety of training tools… NOK training knives, folding training knives, foam padded baseball bats, and a variety of striking pads. This was not full on contact, but rather the tools were utilized in a low percentage speed mode in order to develop foundational skill sets. Randy utilized his “Crawl-Walk-Run” methodology to tie these concepts together for us. Where I found this class particularly unique was Randy method of tying in these foundational unarmed concepts with live fire training towards the end of the class, especially his method of teaching shooting from “position two” of the four count drawstroke. I have been to quite a few classes and have never seen this technique utilized before. I am impressed and will definitely be practicing this in my future training sessions. I hope, and will encourage Randy to build on this class with a next level follow-on class. Actually I would gladly pay for and participate in this type training from Randy with no live firearm training in order to allow more reps in the foundational concepts…without hesitation. I think I’ll pester Randy for both! When this class is again offered I plan to attend and bring other members of our group with me! This information and these skills sets are needed…whether you are a “Gun Guy/Gal” or not…Don’t miss this one folks! Thank you again Randy. Thank you again as well GTG for hosting this class.

It was a pleasure to meet and train with you as well Erik. It's also great to be able to place a face with a name on here!

LOL. I started to link this earlier as I too received that e-mail.But I plead ignorant as to the quality of this ammo...but the price seems pretty decent.

There's always ORSA and Windrock Shooting Range...heck...They want you to shoot there...

Outstanding my friend. Very Nice. I can't wait to see them! Good for you GTG!

GTG..We gotta get you started handloading Brother!

^^^ This is the money quote! Handgun rounds are woefully inadequate at terminating fights which is why more rounds is a smart way to go imho. I've seen folks shot in the head at relatively close range, and the round failed to penetrate (.38 spl iirc)...it was a nasty cut, but skipped off the skull. The 124 gr Gold Dot has a good street record for working as designed. Weird crap happens... Thanks for the vid link Jeb. It's sad to know my Carhartt jacket isn't bulletproof...

Great points on POA vs POI as it relates to bullet weight. As it was explained to me by my handloading mentors long ago...now this is in relation to handguns...various calibers of fixed sights are factory regulated to a specific bullet weight. 9mm was at that time (1985) 115 gr, .38/.357 was 158 gr, .44 mag was 240 gr and 45 acp was 230 gr. That account for a specific amount of muzzle rise before the projectile left the barrel...heavier bullets hit higher because of greater rise and lighter bullets hit lower because of less rise. I don't know if this is necessarily still true...but I bought into it LOL.

Congrats on getting that key my friend! That's one less weekend I have to babysit! LOL To the best of my knowledge the extremely small additional space created by the hollowing base of a FMJ -type bullet is not significant enough to cause an appreciable pressure increase. What folks are addressing is that there is an initial fixed amount of available space once a bullet is friction set into a case. This initial space is where the pressure is generated and eventually overcomes the friction fit of the bullet, and following the path of least resistance drives the bullet down the barrel lowering the pressure...this all probably wasn't necessary to say, I'm just trying to make sure I'm clear in what I'm saying/thinking. That said, some of my loads have compressed powders...ie 5.7 grs of Unique under a 115 gr 9mm bullet. There is generally a few unburned grains of Unique that escape the barrel..this is normal for powders in that burn rate and shape (flaked). Small ball powders like AA#2, W231/HP-38 and Titegroup require much less volume to generate the required appropriate pressure to send the bullet along it's path. As has been stated the OAL is critical, not just for proper placement of the bullet relative to the throat of the barrel, but in order to allow the appropriate amount of space within the brass in order for the the correct amount of pressure to be generated.Seating too long of a bullet (ie perhaps a heavier weight bullet) too deep...reducing the available space.. allows too much pressure to occur... late signs in overpressure include but are not limited to flattening of primers, blown primers (path of least resistance thing), split brass etc. Too little powder, from my understanding, can cause a detonation within the chamber. I have not seen this myself. But I have blown up a nice Glock 21 in 45 acp with a double charge of W231...this was nearly 2 decades ago and I haven't had a double charge since...yet.. Do you have a chronograph yet my friend? They really help in safe load development. More powder doesn't mean a more accurate load, but loading within the published guidelines allows safe load development. While I have used powders outside of their "normal" published loads during the past few years of powder shortages, I approached the load development with caution and trepidation, and received help both here at TGO and from the powder companies themselves. Well I hope I've adequately muddied the waters and that others will straighten my mess out! Keep up the good work K!

Good catch Caster. I had to take a second look.

I agree with frankmako...x-teme bullets work quite well. I was a fan of Falcon for lead bullets, but as far as I know they are not currently in business. What a shame.

I'm in the marker crowd. I shot IPSC way back when, and we collectively policed our brass between stages. I used a green marker and recovered 90+% of my brass and that's with 30+ shooters. Other folks did similar. The color actually lasted for a couple of reloadings.

Very nice! What barrel did you choose?

This is gonna be an excellent class folks! Randy knows this material and can get you up and running in short order. If you've never taken a class like this you need to. It will be a paradigm shift for most...sometimes we "don't know what we don't know". Randy will enlighten you!

I like the new format as well David. Thank you for the obvious hard work you put into keeping this ship afloat.

The investigation will look into finding out what circumstances surrounded the weapon discharge. It is unknown if he was touching the weapon at the time it went off. What you wanna bet he was touching the weapon when it went off. I wish the officer a speedy recovery, but this type of statement simply feeds into the anti-gun narrative that "guns just go off killing people"...ie it's the evil tool that's dangerous, not the tool fiddling with the gun... 14 years as an officer...Sometimes it's a matter of familiarity breeding complacency...

Good find Erik! Thanks. Just ordered a couple and will send the link to some friends. Much obliged.

Thanks for the AAR Glock26.   It's good to hear first hand feedback on training offered in our area.   I'm glad you guys enjoyed yourselves and learned something useful.   Training with your boys? How awesome is that?! :up:

Welcome aboard and to the Knoxville area. I'm 10 years a transplant and I'm happy to call TN Home.

I am very sorry to hear this. I've never had the opportunity to train with Pat, but he was always kind and helpful with my interweb communications with him.   What a loss.   God Bless Pat. RIP.

My primary background is medical...RN for a 34 yrs, former Corpsman for 9 years before that...I'm an old fart and can't run & gun like I used to be able to do. :mad:  But if you're ill or injured I can be of benefit...I promise...   like many here I shoot, handload, can cast, and do basic forearms maintenance, But I've learned to garden, water bath and pressure can, dehydrate and preserve foods. I was raised in working in my father's meat market and have the tools and knowledge to process meats. I continue to learn and develop knowledge and skills and pray that process never ends. Most important though is that I've learned to develop "community" with like minded individuals with a broad range of skills, knowledge, and capabilities that I know and can trust.   A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -Robert A. Heinlein  

Welcome to the TGO community and TN.  :hat:

    It's behind Biker Rags on Kingston Pike, near Lovell Road. You enter between Biker Rags and Christmas Lumber.   Here's a link: http://www.proneshooter.com/index.php?   Phil is a precision rifle shooter, but has a decent selection of powder and primers. Good Guy imho.