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I will chime in on two points. First is mouse guns. I have small hands so I get a good grip on everything except my baby browning. I consider them as get away pistols, not fighting guns. Second, Although I have zero personal experience with magnums in the dark I have read shooting reports from back when the highway patrol used 357 mag almost exclusively nationwide. Most reported they didn't see a flash nor hear the bang. Physiology experts relate it to the tunnel vision and audio suppression we get in fight or flight mode. If you've ever had the experience you know you ears stop up like you've driven up a mountain. It's hard to train out of but most will blink as the round goes off anyway. I have only read one report of someone being blinded and deafened firing a 357 at night. That was a (foolish) warning shot as the trespassers ran away.
OK 3 points. I am really trying to embrace the poly framed pistol. it's fine with the pocket pistols but with a full sized slide it's out of balance. I really want to carry my double stack PT845 but it doesn't feel as good as my 1911. I also want the option of DA/SA with cocked and locked or decock option. I have a PT945 but it has 8 round mags.
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We have had some good discussions on add ons to EDC pistols so I thought we could discuss some of the basics. I have my basic points on what is a good carry piece, I'm sure it won't be a complete checklist and to cover all of the details of every point would be too long. But I'm sure we'll cover it along the way. I'm sure there will be some behind the scenes gaffawing and that's ok.
What I need to consider a pistol acceptable for personal defense.
Fit - it must fit well. in the hand, in your wardrobe, in your lifestyle. but to me how it fits in the hand. When I grip a pistol it should naturally fall into the straight line between the elbow and the end of my pointed trigger finger.
Balance - It should sit in my hand in firing position with a loose grip. This has fallen off of most shooters radar as we moved from revolver to auto loader but is still relevant in my opinion.
Weight - I prefer the heaviest pistol that I can comfortably carry. Weight helps tremendously with follow up shots. I have of late been going back to a full/mid sized piece since my EDC for quite a while has been a KelTec P32. This is due to wardrobe lifestyle issues.
Reliability - If it malfunctions once in 100 rounds and cannot be remedied, I won't carry it. 100% is what I bet my life on.
Comfort - Am I comfortable with caliber, round count, aforementioned weight. Is it concealable.
Accuracy - Let's be real here. Stats say defensive encounters are about 7 yards, I could put a case of rounds in an FBI Q at 7 yards with the worst pistol I've ever shot.
Practice - Practice, Practice, MORE PRACTICE. nothing beats more rounds down range.
these all overlap and I couldn't pick any as most important. everything is a trade off, if we knew we for certain we needed a gun we'd take a rifle or stay home. That is a generalization as one might choose a handgun for maneuverability or concealment)
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I my two Danes will give me a step or six. LOL
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4 hours ago, Grayfox54 said:
Oh hell, here we go again
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I had a co-worker ask if I always had that thing on me. My reply was "there's only one way to find out for certain".
He thought for a second and said he didn't want to know
I don't shower with one.
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Diversity, equity, inclusion.
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17 minutes ago, Choatecav said:
I'm actually surprised that this thread has so much discussion. Seems obvious to me that a spartan and stripped down version for your EDC would be a must.
But, I realize that opinions are like elbows..... everyone has one or two.
I think it's good for the newer shooters. Those of us who've been around a while tend to get into the newest, best thing and wind up at the range with some wild ones that are really race guns. The manufacturers love to sell more so they promote them. Can't blame them, they have to sell enough to make a profit on the tool up.
Just as an example, I have a new "need" in the Kimber 2K11. I wouldn't EDC it but it would most assuredly see range time along with "yeah it's the baddest thing out now" or something like that. Now it's not comped but it is cut, funneled, adjustable target or optic sighted, two toned, light triggered. I don't compete, I don't need a compensator, but new people don't know they don't need a comp for a carry pistol.
As far as opinions, I don't think a carry pistol needs optics. That's my elbow's worth.
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13 hours ago, Jeb48 said:
Well I was in the Army so, not ALL of it.
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I started a spreadsheet, made a few trades and,,,
Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving!
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10 hours ago, Links2k said:
It’s Thanksgiving. I’m wondering how so many people always have stuff to complain about. We do still live in the greatest country in the world, right? We’ve just elected an incoming president who is going to make things even better, right? What’s to complain about? Things change, and I’d hate to live in a world that doesn’t. I’d suggest some of you start looking for the good instead of clinging to the past. There’s abundant life happening now!
“Time slips away and leaves you with nothing mister, but boring stories of…glory days.” - The Boss
You never cease to surprise me sir. Well said. But we cannot ignore the obvious degradation of our society either. I'm from the end of the boomer generation and I see that the slide has increased dramatically over the last ten years. The upside is that those of us who see things as they really are have become vocal. That is education.
"But if this ever changing world in which we live in makes you give in and cry"
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Just to be clear, I don't want any add ons on my carry piece. I even prefer fixed sights, no optics, on lights, no comp. Slide cuts maybe, but only factory original. I'm not against some minor internal work, feed ramp, sear. But in a self defense situation one wants the simplest most reliable firearm with no mods to keep the ambulance chasers at bay. And of course,,,work as intended.
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7 minutes ago, papa61 said:
there is absolutely no excuse for this. We have seen many shortfalls in the VA system but for the mess hall to not have enough food to feed the troops is beyond reason. The articles mention the base takes in 22 million but only spent 5 million? I don't care how much you have to throw out, make sure our soldiers have enough to eat. As was once said, "an Army travels on it's stomach". I cannot express my furor.
to back up my anger, this was just sent. Thank you @Grayfox54 for bringing this to my attention. Were I in Nevada I would be taking things a bit further.
Dear Senator Blackburn,
Please expedite the solution to food shortages at Fort Carson and investigate whether this is happening at any of our other military installations. Ther is absolutely no excuse for our soldiers to not have sufficient meals. I am not placing blame on you or your office, I am proud of your accomplishments and look forward to the next term. As a taxpayer, voter, and veteran I believe that someone must be held accountable.
I wish you and your family a happy Thanksgiving. While we celebrate I will pray that our soldiers recieve a good meal.
Thank You,
Mark Parkhurst-
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there is absolutely no excuse for this. We have seen many shortfalls in the VA system but for the mess hall to not have enough food to feed the troops is beyond reason. The articles mention the base takes in 22 million but only spent 5 million? I don't care how much you have to throw out, make sure our soldiers have enough to eat. As was once said, "an Army travels on it's stomach". I cannot express my furor.
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Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Wife is humming in the kitchen making stuffing, we'll head to the daughter's for dinner. Just enjoying the day.
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1 hour ago, Sleep profit said:
What did they charge to get in show in Gray. Knoxville R K show is now charging 14 to get in. Used to be 10 bucks
You have to go on their site and get the "coupon" for $2-4 off. Oh and check out what a table costs if you wera a vendor. The promoters are getting rich and customers are getting screwed. But I still go sometimes, especially if I need odd ammo or magazines.
this is a great reference for where, when and how much
Tennessee Gun Shows 2024 | List of Gun and Knife Shows in Tennessee-
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yep, us poor people can't get a break.
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1 hour ago, Defender said:
My best friend and I developed a keener interest in guns about the same time and our thing was going to gun stores together once a week and to the Nashville and Murfreesboro gun shows every time and also some others locally that popped up. Sadly, after he passed, it was very difficult to do that and for several months, maybe a year, I just couldn’t. Now I go to local stores, but it’s not the same. U Les I’m looking for something in particular, I’m in and out pretty quick. Same at the shows. It’s not as fun anymore.
I understand, not as much fun without someone to share. I drag my wife with me. She's a great bargaining tool.
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50 minutes ago, Jeb48 said:
I know a lot of you don't like gun shows much but went to the gun show in Gray (NE TN) on the 17th and it was one of the better shows there since before covid for vendors. No jerky dealers or sock booths. Even a fair number of parking lot sellers. I wasn't really looking for anything but went to look, so I don't know if there were any deals, didn't really look at prices much.
I ran across an event on the show website near Westmoreland. Place called Ole Milliken Store has a gun/knife trader show every second Saturday. I plan on checking it out as I like seeing what normal people have rather than dealers. I can always see new stuff at local dealers.
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1 hour ago, Snaveba said:
Italian made firearms, aka Berettas
I kinda thought that made sense. I had a couple. Witness is a great pistol, one of those I wish I'd kept. Right now EDC is Brazilian and I don't expect a change.
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2 hours ago, gregintenn said:
Well I don't have a brother in law in California, so i guess that makes the difference.
I like my BIL and he is a conservative. He would leave but his wife LIKES it there. (actually she stays for her job)
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good deal. good luck
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I too will renew my benefactor status after the holidays. We had some unexpected vet expense that threw our budget out. Then a trip to Hamilton Miss to get another dog.
Anyway, I have seen a couple of sites that shut down after the new dealer rules were announced. Armslist went to crap. I hadn't noticed a decline in available market, maybe because I'm not seriously looking at the moment but whatever, I'm ALWAYS looking. I look at an e trader site that is primarily E Tenn a lot and like it's been said, if I want it and it's priced right it's east of Knoxville.On similar line, I joined a Carolina forum expressly to ask if one of the posters would do an FFL transfer at my expense. The pistol si still posted but never got a response.
edit: I would drive for the right deal but you have to factor in time and cost. After adding the expense of the drive is it still a good deal?
And Cali Greg? I have a BIL in Cali and I still wouldn't cross the border.
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On 11/20/2024 at 7:55 PM, TGO David said:
spaghetti shooters
New to me term, please explain.
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4 hours ago, gregintenn said:
Man, we have two senior running backs who are twins, and they are flat amazing.
Really wish I could make it up. Best of luck to them all!
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CARRY PISTOL
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People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. So I have no rocks to throw. I think we see a lot alike here. Different conclusions based on different comfort levels. I'd assume you have larger hands than I. Based on your exclusions and my very small hands. Buying gloves is a test of my very limited patience. Thick hands, short fingers. Grip circumference is very important to me, moreso than any other dimension. Trigger reach is second. Can we start seeing why I prefer shooting SA?
I do have an odd view in that I see a difference between a defensive pistol and a fighting pistol. It's a fine line easy to define but hard to put into use.