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  1. Enhanced carry in TN only gives you a few more privileges than permitless carry including parks (no school events), nature trails, greenways, etc. as defined in TCA 39-17-1311 as well as university employees in TCA 39-17-1309. I've never seen a "Concealed Firearms by Permit Only" sign but that's mentioned in the law as well. Here's a good summary document: https://memphispolice.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Permitless-Carry-Citizen-Guidance-Leaflet-English.pdf All that being said, I chose to get my Enhanced Handgun Permit for the reciprocity with other states and training (personal thing). Oh, and yes, signage is required at all entrances.
  2. I had not heard about the TFA until recently. It looks like they don't keep the site up very well, but they do have an active Facebook presence so I assume they are still an active organization. Do they publish information for what they are trying to get changed (like 39-17-1359)?
  3. Thank you for the information. I'm actually in that part of the state, but it sounds with the current law the most one can get is a $500 fine and still retain HCP.
  4. TN code 39-17-1359 that enforces properly posted signs drives me nuts. I will never understand this. Anyone who is going to do something bad will not be stopped by a sign with specific sized letters. The way I see it is a business owner should be allowed to post a sign and if they see me carrying they can ask me to leave or I will be trespassed - I would happily leave with no issues. It creates "soft spots" if nothing else. Law abiding citizens are the only ones who will even think about honoring a sign and those are the people who are not the threat. I have emailed lawmakers in the state and hope one day they will realize how dumb it is. Even if they made the sign only apply to permitless carriers at least it would be a small step forward, even though I believe it should not apply to anyone.
  5. I do not intentionally carry where properly posted according to TN Code 39-17-1359 even though I completely disagree that signs should carry the force of law and I've written our lawmakers to express my opinion on the matter - no criminal is going to care one second about a sign. Anyway... Has anyone ever carried past a sign and were caught? Where in the state did it happen (if you're comfortable saying)? Were you prosecuted and had to pay the $500 fine? Since it's a misdemeanor and not a felony, I assume there was no impact on your ability to retain your carry permit? (just double-checking that I'm not missing something) Thank you for the discussion.
  6. Usually I carry my 365xl appendix but occasionally I'll carry my GX4.
  7. Based on my reading of the law, I understand that carrying in a place that is properly posted to prohibit guns is a misdemeanor and no more than $500 fine. I typically do not carry where posted but movie theaters make me nervous. If I ever did carry in such a place, am I correct in that the worse that could happen is the $500 fine and I would not lose my enhanced carry permit? Also, for those who live near the border and go into northern MS, can you provide information on the penalty for carrying in a posted establishment (thinking movie theaters again) if you have an enhanced carry permit in TN? Thank you
  8. Welcome! I've lived here all my life and I've recently realized how lucky I really am living in this part of the country.
  9. I am going to correct the flow chart. I think the only thing I need to do is possibly change some wording where I refer to the public park, natural area, etc. to include playground, civic center, and other recreational areas (just for examples based on 39-17-1311) to follow the same path where it asks if there is a school event and if not then checks for the concealed or enhanced permit. Does that sound accurate?
  10. I actually lived in Knoxville while in college. I probably heard of Victor Ashe park but don't remember. Too many years ago. So during those times it is used by schools, no carry is allowed. In reading the law, is almost like it's a bit forgiving if it was not explicitly known there was a school event.
  11. Good info but I wonder why they explicitly listed everything but those. I do understand why a playground may be off limits especially given the same reason a park during a school event is.
  12. Actually, I had assumed that same thing in my initial version; however, in the law it never states the exception for a playground, civic center, or other city/state/county area for recreational purposes. The title of the specific section of the law refers to 4 different areas - "public parks, playgrounds, civic centers, and other public recreational buildings and grounds". In 39-17-1311 (b)(1)(H)(i) it explicitly lists areas where the exception applies for permit holders, but does not include those 4 listed above. It's confusing and I missed it initially until I spotted in some US LawShield materials that there was no carry in those 4 areas for any permit holder and I went back and corrected the flowchart.
  13. I just uploaded a later version where I had changed "Permitted" and "Not Permitted" to "Allowed" and "Not Allowed" because I realized that may have been confusing with the previous question and the meaning of the term "permitless" carry.
  14. Yes. It's included in the flowchart as well.
  15. I only know of two permit types - concealed and enhanced - and they are called out on the flowchart with basically no difference except maybe in reciprocity. Which third permit were you thinking?
  16. Does anyone else have a TN handgun permit and regularly carry in northern MS? I am a new enhanced carry permit holder and go to Southaven on a regular basis. I have read through content on handgunlaw.us and things seem a little more complicated than they should be when it comes to where I can carry with a reciprocated permit vs. without one. I do not attend church in MS or go to any schools and I would never consume alcohol while concealing. Am I missing any other risky situations? Just trying to make sure I don't accidentally get in any trouble. I'm also very interested in posted places like some movie theaters. Thank you
  17. I recently received my Enhanced Carry permit in TN and often go to northern MS. Based on my reading, there are limitations for permitless including churches, schools, polling locations, etc. It appears that a person in MS who has taken the safety course and received a permit can pretty much carry anywhere except police stations, court, where posted, and a couple other places but the permit relaxes the carry restrictions in most other places. Is that correct? While I never expect to go to a school or polling station in MS, I just want to make sure I understand the laws for a TN permit holder as I do go there quite often. I'm curious if anyone has the details and personal experience. Thanks
  18. Agree. I saw that in the law but did not include it as a common scenario; however, I'll probably go back and include situations like that, federal parks, etc. Thanks
  19. Welcome from just outside the Memphis area.
  20. It has a branch in the flow that asks the question if the individual has a concealed or enhanced. I started to do a flow with the perspective of the permit itself, but quickly discovered it flows better based on where you may be going and then ask the question about the permit where it's relevant.
  21. I have spent some time analyzing the TN gun laws for my own knowledge and tried to simplify the most common scenarios that many of us may encounter. The following flowchart doesn't include all situations like employees of universities with permits, for example. However, I tried to include what I understood as the laws and how they pertain to those with and without a permit. I am not sure that this is exactly correct and the law seems to be a bit more complicated than I would like, but I attempted to put it in a format that I could more easily consume. I would appreciate any feedback or help in validating what is here. Please do not bank on this being 100% acccurate as laws change and my interpretation may not have been correct in some situations. Hopefully it helps some of us not get into unnecessary trouble. Thanks EDIT: Updated May 27, 2022 TN Gun Carry Law Flowchart-updatedMay272022.pdf
  22. I'm Stephen and new to the forum. I grew up in a small town in east TN near Chattanooga, went to college at the University of TN in Knoxville, and moved to the suburbs of Memphis about 25 years ago for work. I remember my dad loving guns when I was growing up but I was never personally interested until recently. I own my first handgun - a Sig p365xl - and am taking the enhanced carry class in a week. I've become really interested in going to the range and all things concealed carry. Still learning a lot.
  23. I am in the Memphis area and frequently go into northern Mississippi. I am taking my TN Enhanced Carry class in a week and will complete the remaining steps to (hopefully) quickly get my permit. I know MS and TN reciprocate but in the meantime before I actually get my permit can I go into MS with (1) a loaded gun in my center console of my car and (2) concealed carry. I know MS is Constitutional Carry but does that apply to non-residents without a permit or only to residents of MS or residents of other reciprocating states who have a permit in one of those other states? Thank you

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