Chucktshoes

I would like to offer a word of caution to folks like me who may be critical of policing practices. I've been around here long enough to see this board through various swings regarding law enforcement. I know TGO David has made his support of LE and his aims to have this board to be an inviting place for LE on multiple occasions very clear. Whenever the general mood of the board swings too far into an anti-LE direction, conversations get locked down, folks get banned and the topic becomes anathema. I implore folks to ensure that the criticisms they have to offer regarding LE are respectful, and relevant to Tennessee and/or the particular discussion at hand. I believe that the subject is an important one and discussion of it can be had here if done correctly. We have recently seen an explosion of news stories nationally regarding the wrongdoing of officers. Ultimately I think this is a good thing as it can help serve to reign in excesses in the LE culture that I think have been allowed to flourish in recent years. That doesn't mean we need to post every random story on the subject we come across. Please folks, let's not go too overboard here in this venue and cause another time frame where we aren't allowed to broach the issue. I don't think anyone is well served by that. I am admittedly one of the most critical members of this community of police and policing practices, but I still think we can have this conversation in a reasonable manner based in logic and reason without needless bashing of either side.       ***Not trying to overstep my bounds, or play mod here with this general word of caution. I just don't want to needlessly wear the patience of the administration on this subject or see anyone banned in a heated moment for ill-advised statements.***

I'm kind of surprised there has been any debate at all on this. It no big secret that I am extremely suspicious and distrustful of police, yet even I don't see any problem with what this officer did. The job of a cop makes this individual to be less likely to be in the right, but in this case, he did what any other citizen would have been justified in doing.

Even I don't feel the use of force was excessive in this case. In fact, I believe that it was commendable in that it kept him from being made into swiss cheese from officer bullets.

The EU is no longer canon. Disney/Lucasfilm announced that at the outset of the filming of VII. The story told by the new trilogy will be unencumbered by having to hold to EU lore.

For the younger cats.

Yet only one of the losers has qualified immunity protections for the violence he engages in daily as part and parcel of his job. He committed an aggressive act of violence because he was insulted by an individual who did not respect his authoritah.

I'm going to be getting one for the truck within the next couple of days. I've been meaning to get one for a while to cover my ass in case I end up killing one of these suicidal 4 wheelers in the Nashville area. Brake checking a 40 ton truck in the rain with your whole family in the minivan isn't the brightest idea.

There's a reason why I drove all the way across town to Range USA when I live five minutes from Rangemasters.

Why is it that I am kinda hoping he gets wind of this thread and comes on the board to try and defend himself? We haven't had one of those bread in a while. :lol:

I generally prefer to stick to whiskeys of the Irish or Scottish variety. Bourbons just don't do it for me.

And I would gladly spend the gas money to make the drive to Detroit and guzzle Stroh's over spending $10 on the swill they produce in Lynchburg.

And some you can't! :lol:

My vote is for both not only being totally acceptable but kinda hot. You do raise a very valid point with regards to what folks find acceptable and personal values. For example, I would say the majority of men do find girl on girl action to be exciting, yet most women do not feel the same way about guy on guy action. I would wonder is that do more to cultural norms or to the inborn differences in what men and women find exciting with regards to sex?

I have the BCM Gunfighter grip. Essentially the same thing. I definitely prefer it over the standard A2.

Y'all have a whole lot of faith in a whole lot of government employees if you think those laws will have any meaning when the rubber hits the road. The only real question to their worth is if they will provide any cover against charges after the fact to a citizen who uses all available and appropriate force to resist unlawful actions by LE who were "just doing their job" during a state of emergency.

This meme is applicable to many of the discussions here.

Roads and officer salaries funded through extortion and larceny. The type of reasoning you use here can and has been used to justify literally any and every type of government regulation. It is the antithesis of liberty.

In case it wasn't clear, I don't think it is a particularly prudent idea, but that's not really what we are discussing here. Of course, if an officer really wants to find some way to charge you with something, he/she can and will. I don't think that's ever been much in dispute. I'm pretty sure I unknowingly commit a couple of felonies a day, as do most folks. All the examples you mentioned require an officer to perform some type of reasoning gymnastics to twist the item to fall under a different statute. The clarity of the old statute is gone and has not been replaced by anything so clear as "swords are illegal". You look to laws to see that something is specifically prohibited, not specifically allowed. To me it just speaks to the unjustness of these laws that they can be used in such manners. I wouldn't dispute any of this at all.

This was actually brought up during discussion of the bill. A legislator asked if this law would make it legal for someone to carry a sword and the response was yes, it would. While I agree it isn't advisable for the kilted to strap on a claymore or the anime nerds to grab their katanas, it is legal to do so.

^^^ What he said. Carry what you want how you want.

Or maybe the idea is to hire immigrants from more authoritarian cultures who are less likely to question orders to violate constitutionally protected rights? :tinfoil:

(Disclaimer-Here is where I am going to get a bit more controversial. Please take my following statements as they are intended, to further reasoned discussion and to explain a philosophical position, not as a inflammatory attack for trolling purposes.) I would posit that it is the nature of the beast more so than having the right/wrong person in the job. Something I believe and have said before is that if your system depends on having the right person in power, it is a bad system. So to put it succinctly, the idea of the "good cop" is a useful myth that helps keep the rabble placated. The nature of the job of LE makes the idea of the "good cop" an impossibility. What I mean by that can be best explained with a quote from Robert Higgs. Thus my dislike of LE agencies isn't based on a bad experience with a cop due to my own or an officer's bad behavior, but from a moral and philosophical objection to the application of violence against people for unjust reasons. I have friends in local LE agencies and have met many folks who work LE who seem like really good people. They probably truly believe that they are and that they doing good for the community. They have been fooled just the same as everyone else. As for my friends, the way I balance my like for them with their holding a job I find very morally bankrupt is simple. I just pretend they are really bad at being a cop. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest, I know, but it gets one through the day.

Oddly enough, those are all the same reasons I view them as no different than any other LE agency. Go figure.

True, but then the g43 hasn't been released yet either. :lol: